Re: [DNG] Killing background processes on logout [was Re: resolved]

On Thu, 9 Jun 2016 11:22:40 -0400, Dan wrote in message <20160609152240.gm9...@xps-linux.djph.net>: > Simon Walter wrote: > > On 06/09/2016 07:07 AM, Dan Purgert wrote: > > >Yet another thing that systemd is getting its tentacles into ... > > >wonder when the majority of users will say "enough

Re: [DNG] Killing background processes on logout [was Re: resolved]

Simon Walter wrote: > On 06/09/2016 07:07 AM, Dan Purgert wrote: > >Yet another thing that systemd is getting its tentacles into ... wonder > >when the majority of users will say "enough is enough" with it? > > > > > > They will not. The majority of users are freeloaders. So we may end up > using

Re: [DNG] Killing background processes on logout [was Re: resolved]

linuxvoice.com/interview-lennart-poettering It's an old article, but as I read, I realized how much I disagree with Lennart. TBH, he sounds like an Apple fan. Now we get controversial, because those who like to feel smart, yet don't know much, feel empowered by AI. Those who don't feel

Re: [DNG] Killing background processes on logout [was Re: resolved]

On 06/09/2016 07:07 AM, Dan Purgert wrote: Didier Kryn wrote: [snip] I cite: "Systemd and cgroup developers are working together to turn systemd into a global cgroup manager that creates higher-level control knobs and prevents direct access to the kernel. Many Systemd changes are already

Re: [DNG] Killing background processes on logout [was Re: resolved]

Didier Kryn wrote: >[snip] > > I cite: > "Systemd and cgroup developers are working together to turn systemd into a > global cgroup manager that creates higher-level control knobs and prevents > direct access to the kernel. Many Systemd changes are already released > while cgroup changes are

Re: [DNG] Killing background processes on logout [was Re: resolved]

Le 08/06/2016 12:49, KatolaZ a écrit : Killing all the processes at logout should be easily doable using cgroups (which existed much before Poettering got his bachelor degree), and is indeed easily doable with screen, nohup, and hundred of similar amenities. I looked for documentation on

Re: [DNG] Killing background processes on logout [was Re: resolved]

Edward Bartolo wrote: > One strategy would be to deny > server access to anyone not using systemd. This would force Devuan to > set up an entirely independent infrastructure. I think, this may do > some serious disruption: be prepared as Devuan is not yet totally > divorced

Re: [DNG] Killing background processes on logout [was Re: resolved]

On Wed, 08 Jun 2016, Dan Purgert wrote: > This was in the comments of the article on lwn (sorry, I forget who > linked it on the mailing list). I'm honestly not sure how "true" it is, > but it seems to coincide with what else I've been reading. > > 1. In the beginning there was there login.

Re: [DNG] Killing background processes on logout [was Re: resolved]

KatolaZ wrote: > On Wed, Jun 08, 2016 at 12:13:48PM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > > [cut] > > > > > Yes, nohup. I guess it issues setsid() and disconnects from the > > controlling terminal, but any process can do that on its own. I was thinking > > of a way to decide which session can do that

Re: [DNG] Killing background processes on logout [was Re: resolved]

Jaromil wrote: > On Wed, 08 Jun 2016, Didier Kryn wrote: > > > Otherwise, I like the idea to have a better control of what > > survives a session. > > I also like that and I like that is simply made. > > For many of us is already made possible in simple ways: you run inside > screen (or

Re: [DNG] Killing background processes on logout [was Re: resolved]

Hi, The current strategy looks very tentatively similar to how a bully behaves when they repeatedly fail to visibly persecute (control) their victims. Making architectural decisions that clearly break other utilities that work to force users to use systemd is nothing less that a wild cry from

Re: [DNG] Killing background processes on logout [was Re: resolved]

On 06/08/2016 07:49 PM, KatolaZ wrote: [sorry for the long reply] Very well put. Killing all the processes at logout should be easily doable using cgroups (which existed much before Poettering got his bachelor degree), and is indeed easily doable with screen, nohup, and hundred of similar

Re: [DNG] Killing background processes on logout [was Re: resolved]

Le 08/06/2016 11:07, Jaromil a écrit : On Wed, 08 Jun 2016, Didier Kryn wrote: > Otherwise, I like the idea to have a better control of what >survives a session. I also like that and I like that is simply made. For many of us is already made possible in simple ways: you run inside screen

Re: [DNG] Killing background processes on logout [was Re: resolved]

On Wed, 08 Jun 2016, Didier Kryn wrote: > Otherwise, I like the idea to have a better control of what > survives a session. I also like that and I like that is simply made. For many of us is already made possible in simple ways: you run inside screen (or even better tmux, having read

[DNG] Killing background processes on logout [was Re: resolved]

Le 08/06/2016 09:32, Jaromil a écrit : the tempest is raging out there. today there is a fine piece by Corbet resuming the state of affairs on LWN, which I got as a subscriber (and I do recommend subscribing to LWN, is the best source of news out there) fortunately they have a link to offer to