Re: [DNG] My Qemu LAN-peer documentation is now in its first draft

2021-03-10 Thread Simon Hobson
Steve Litt wrote: > The vast majority of documents I've read tell me that once you make the > bridge, the hardware NIC must be robbed of its IP addresses. So that's > what I did. That is the correct way to do it - though from memory it does seem to still work for host-LAN communications if you

Re: [DNG] My Qemu LAN-peer documentation is now in its first draft

2021-03-07 Thread Steve Litt
>Le 02/03/2021 à 12:48, Steve Litt a écrit : >> Hi all, >> >> As you know, I was asking many Qemu LAN-peer questions on this list a >> week ago. My documentation on the subject has finally achieved >> first-draft status. If you'd like to see it, go to: >> >>

Re: [DNG] My Qemu LAN-peer documentation is now in its first draft

2021-03-07 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 02/03/2021 à 12:48, Steve Litt a écrit : > Hi all, > > As you know, I was asking many Qemu LAN-peer questions on this list a > week ago. My documentation on the subject has finally achieved > first-draft status. If you'd like to see it, go to: > > http://troubleshooters.com/linux/qemu/nobs.htm

Re: [DNG] My Qemu LAN-peer documentation is now in its first draft

2021-03-06 Thread al3xu5 / dotcommon
Fri, 5 Mar 2021 18:56:25 + - Simon Hobson : > Florian Zieboll via Dng wrote: > > > For the sake of completeness and y'all's convenience, here a link to > > the related info in the Debianwiki: > > > > https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkInterfaceNames [quote] * UNPREDICTABILITY it turns

Re: [DNG] My Qemu LAN-peer documentation is now in its first draft

2021-03-06 Thread Steve Litt
>On Fri, 5 Mar 2021 18:56:25 + >Simon Hobson wrote: > >> Florian Zieboll via Dng wrote: >> >> > For the sake of completeness and y'all's convenience, here a link >> > to the related info in the Debianwiki: >> > >> > https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkInterfaceNames >> >> Did anyone else

Re: [DNG] My Qemu LAN-peer documentation is now in its first draft

2021-03-05 Thread tito via Dng
On Fri, 5 Mar 2021 18:56:25 + Simon Hobson wrote: > Florian Zieboll via Dng wrote: > > > For the sake of completeness and y'all's convenience, here a link > > to the related info in the Debianwiki: > > > > https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkInterfaceNames > > Did anyone else read that and

Re: [DNG] My Qemu LAN-peer documentation is now in its first draft

2021-03-05 Thread Simon Hobson
Florian Zieboll via Dng wrote: > For the sake of completeness and y'all's convenience, here a link to the > related info in the Debianwiki: > > https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkInterfaceNames Did anyone else read that and think it could be summarised along the lines of : "We thought X was badly

Re: [DNG] My Qemu LAN-peer documentation is now in its first draft

2021-03-05 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 05/03/2021 à 07:48, tito via Dng a écrit : > On Thu, 4 Mar 2021 19:38:49 -0500 > Steve Litt wrote: > >>> On Wed, 03 Mar 2021 21:44:30 + >>> g4sra via Dng wrote: >>> In my young years I used to tinker with linux distros on floppy >>> disks and there still where eth0, eth1 and so on but no

Re: [DNG] My Qemu LAN-peer documentation is now in its first draft

2021-03-04 Thread tito via Dng
On Thu, 4 Mar 2021 19:38:49 -0500 Steve Litt wrote: > > >On Wed, 03 Mar 2021 21:44:30 + > >g4sra via Dng wrote: > > >In my young years I used to tinker with linux distros on floppy > >disks and there still where eth0, eth1 and so on but no udev, > >so where did the names came from? > >

Re: [DNG] My Qemu LAN-peer documentation is now in its first draft

2021-03-04 Thread Steve Litt
>On Wed, 03 Mar 2021 21:44:30 + >g4sra via Dng wrote: >In my young years I used to tinker with linux distros on floppy >disks and there still where eth0, eth1 and so on but no udev, >so where did the names came from? Ya know, mknod wasn't so bad. The moment inotify was invented, I could

Re: [DNG] My Qemu LAN-peer documentation is now in its first draft

2021-03-04 Thread tito via Dng
On Thu, 4 Mar 2021 11:02:08 +0100 Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 04/03/2021 à 07:46, tito via Dng a écrit : > > How Linux assigns network interface names > > The default name for Ethernet interfaces is based upon how Linux > > initializes them during device discovery. As Linux finds the network > >

Re: [DNG] My Qemu LAN-peer documentation is now in its first draft

2021-03-03 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > As you know, I was asking many Qemu LAN-peer questions on this list a > week ago. My documentation on the subject has finally achieved > first-draft status. If you'd like to see it, go to: > > http://troubleshooters.com/linux/qemu/nobs.htm This

Re: [DNG] My Qemu LAN-peer documentation is now in its first draft

2021-03-03 Thread tito via Dng
On Thu, 4 Mar 2021 07:24:50 +0100 aitor wrote: > Hi tito, > > On 4/3/21 0:47, tito via Dng wrote: > > In my young years I used to tinker with linux distros on floppy > > disks and there still where eth0, eth1 and so on but no udev, > > so where did the names came from? > > They were assigned

Re: [DNG] My Qemu LAN-peer documentation is now in its first draft

2021-03-03 Thread aitor
Hi tito, On 4/3/21 0:47, tito via Dng wrote: In my young years I used to tinker with linux distros on floppy disks and there still where eth0, eth1 and so on but no udev, so where did the names came from? They were assigned by the kernel, i think. Aitor.

Re: [DNG] My Qemu LAN-peer documentation is now in its first draft

2021-03-03 Thread tito via Dng
On Wed, 03 Mar 2021 21:44:30 + g4sra via Dng wrote: > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > On Wednesday, March 3, 2021 7:54 PM, tito via Dng > wrote: > > > On Wed, 03 Mar 2021 16:15:10 + > > g4sra via Dng dng@lists.dyne.org wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Your 'predictable' names name

Re: [DNG] My Qemu LAN-peer documentation is now in its first draft

2021-03-03 Thread g4sra via Dng
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Wednesday, March 3, 2021 7:54 PM, tito via Dng wrote: > On Wed, 03 Mar 2021 16:15:10 + > g4sra via Dng dng@lists.dyne.org wrote: > > > > > Your 'predictable' names name are being assigned by what ? > > By the kernel, I suppose as you can pass a

Re: [DNG] My Qemu LAN-peer documentation is now in its first draft

2021-03-03 Thread tito via Dng
On Wed, 03 Mar 2021 16:15:10 + g4sra via Dng wrote: > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > On Wednesday, March 3, 2021 3:21 PM, tito via Dng > wrote: > > > On Wed, 03 Mar 2021 14:52:57 + > > g4sra via Dng dng@lists.dyne.org wrote: > > > > > > <-- huge snip --> > > > Just for

Re: [DNG] My Qemu LAN-peer documentation is now in its first draft

2021-03-03 Thread g4sra via Dng
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Wednesday, March 3, 2021 3:21 PM, tito via Dng wrote: > On Wed, 03 Mar 2021 14:52:57 + > g4sra via Dng dng@lists.dyne.org wrote: > > > <-- huge snip --> > > Just for completeness should someone dig this thread up trying to > > solve an issue...such as a

Re: [DNG] My Qemu LAN-peer documentation is now in its first draft

2021-03-03 Thread tito via Dng
On Wed, 03 Mar 2021 14:52:57 + g4sra via Dng wrote: > <-- huge snip --> > > Just for completeness should someone dig this thread up trying to > solve an issue...such as a 12 port router > > The kernel's FDT determines the order of detection for built-in > interfaces. Learn how to make

Re: [DNG] My Qemu LAN-peer documentation is now in its first draft

2021-03-03 Thread g4sra via Dng
<-- huge snip --> Just for completeness should someone dig this thread up trying to solve an issue...such as a 12 port router The kernel's FDT determines the order of detection for built-in interfaces. Learn how to make them, then don't change it and the interfaces will always come up the

Re: [DNG] My Qemu LAN-peer documentation is now in its first draft

2021-03-03 Thread tito via Dng
On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 15:07:14 +0100 John Hughes wrote: > On 03/03/2021 14:01, tito wrote: > > On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 10:16:13 +0100 > > John Hughes wrote: > > > >> On 02/03/2021 15:57, tito via Dng wrote: > >>> I would add that renaming of multiple cards/ports works > >>> only if you rename all of

Re: [DNG] My Qemu LAN-peer documentation is now in its first draft

2021-03-03 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 03/03/2021 à 14:18, Antony Stone a écrit : > I agree that "eth0" is less stupid than "enp0s0p1" etc., however I too like > the use of descriptive names such as "CableModem", "Clients", "Servers" etc.     In case people like ethX names, which is my case, I just came with the idea to use

Re: [DNG] My Qemu LAN-peer documentation is now in its first draft

2021-03-03 Thread Antony Stone
On Wednesday 03 March 2021 at 14:03:46, tito via Dng wrote: > On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 10:16:13 +0100 John Hughes wrote: > > > > Just avoid the "ethX" names (because of race conditions and because > > they're stupid). Use something descriptive. > > they are less stupid than enp0s0p1 or the like and

Re: [DNG] My Qemu LAN-peer documentation is now in its first draft

2021-03-03 Thread tito via Dng
On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 10:40:20 +0100 Florian Zieboll via Dng wrote: > On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 08:04:19 +0100 > tito via Dng wrote: > > > you can set the device names by MAC addresses at boot > > and in the past it worked as udev/eudev net-persisent-name.rules > > (but seems to be broken, optimized out

Re: [DNG] My Qemu LAN-peer documentation is now in its first draft

2021-03-03 Thread tito via Dng
On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 10:16:13 +0100 John Hughes wrote: > On 02/03/2021 15:57, tito via Dng wrote: > > I would add that renaming of multiple cards/ports works > > only if you rename all of them to a different intermediate name > > and then back to wanted name and order otherwise renaming > > can

Re: [DNG] My Qemu LAN-peer documentation is now in its first draft

2021-03-03 Thread Florian Zieboll via Dng
On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 12:13:04 +0100 Florian Zieboll via Dng wrote: > Sure, it is more error prone to work with enx"$mac" NIC names, but as > it's probably too late for complaining, I just made my router "future > proof": > > backup /etc/: > $ cp -a /etc /etc.bkp > > cd to /etc/: > $ cd /etc/ >

Re: [DNG] My Qemu LAN-peer documentation is now in its first draft

2021-03-03 Thread Florian Zieboll via Dng
On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 10:49:19 +0100 Antony Stone wrote: > On Wednesday 03 March 2021 at 10:40:20, Florian Zieboll via Dng wrote: > > > On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 08:04:19 +0100 > > > > tito via Dng wrote: > > > you can set the device names by MAC addresses at boot > > > and in the past it worked as

Re: [DNG] My Qemu LAN-peer documentation is now in its first draft

2021-03-03 Thread Antony Stone
On Wednesday 03 March 2021 at 10:40:20, Florian Zieboll via Dng wrote: > On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 08:04:19 +0100 > > tito via Dng wrote: > > you can set the device names by MAC addresses at boot > > and in the past it worked as udev/eudev net-persisent-name.rules > > (but seems to be broken,

Re: [DNG] My Qemu LAN-peer documentation is now in its first draft

2021-03-03 Thread Florian Zieboll via Dng
On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 08:04:19 +0100 tito via Dng wrote: > you can set the device names by MAC addresses at boot > and in the past it worked as udev/eudev net-persisent-name.rules > (but seems to be broken, optimized out nowadays). Thanks, Tito, for the clue! I am using udev (resp. eudev) rules

Re: [DNG] My Qemu LAN-peer documentation is now in its first draft

2021-03-03 Thread Ralph Ronnquist via Dng
Of course the code was wrong; I've corrected it below... On 03/03 19:24, Ralph Ronnquist wrote: > On 03/03 01:06, Steve Litt wrote: > > > > Am I hearing correctly when I think you two are saying I can make > > multiple network devices have determinate names (even if I don't select > > those

Re: [DNG] My Qemu LAN-peer documentation is now in its first draft

2021-03-03 Thread Ralph Ronnquist via Dng
On 03/03 01:06, Steve Litt wrote: > > Am I hearing correctly when I think you two are saying I can make > multiple network devices have determinate names (even if I don't select > those names) by doing something with their MAC addresses? If so, how do > I do it? Since you do networking setup via

Re: [DNG] My Qemu LAN-peer documentation is now in its first draft

2021-03-02 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 03/03/2021 à 08:04, tito via Dng a écrit : >> Am I hearing correctly when I think you two are saying I can make >> multiple network devices have determinate names (even if I don't >> select those names) by doing something with their MAC addresses? If >> so, how do I do it? >> >> SteveT >> >>

Re: [DNG] My Qemu LAN-peer documentation is now in its first draft

2021-03-02 Thread tito via Dng
On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 01:06:55 -0500 Steve Litt wrote: > > On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 13:06:45 +1100 > Ralph Ronnquist via Dng wrote: > > > On 03/03 00:19, g4sra via Dng wrote: > > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > > > On Wednesday, March 3, 2021 12:15 AM, spiralofhope > > > wrote: > > > > On Wed,

Re: [DNG] My Qemu LAN-peer documentation is now in its first draft

2021-03-02 Thread Steve Litt
On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 13:06:45 +1100 Ralph Ronnquist via Dng wrote: > On 03/03 00:19, g4sra via Dng wrote: > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > > On Wednesday, March 3, 2021 12:15 AM, spiralofhope > > wrote: > > > On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 01:34:40 +1100 > > > Ralph Ronnquist via Dng

Re: [DNG] My Qemu LAN-peer documentation is now in its first draft

2021-03-02 Thread Ralph Ronnquist via Dng
On 03/03 00:19, g4sra via Dng wrote: > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > On Wednesday, March 3, 2021 12:15 AM, spiralofhope > wrote: > > > On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 01:34:40 +1100 > > Ralph Ronnquist via Dng dng@lists.dyne.org wrote: > > > For bare-metal hardware I believe there is a first possible

Re: [DNG] My Qemu LAN-peer documentation is now in its first draft

2021-03-02 Thread g4sra via Dng
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Wednesday, March 3, 2021 12:15 AM, spiralofhope wrote: > On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 01:34:40 +1100 > Ralph Ronnquist via Dng dng@lists.dyne.org wrote: > > > For bare-metal hardware I believe there is a first possible "race" > > between different modules (that

Re: [DNG] My Qemu LAN-peer documentation is now in its first draft

2021-03-02 Thread spiralofhope
On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 01:34:40 +1100 Ralph Ronnquist via Dng wrote: > For bare-metal hardware I believe there is a first possible "race" > between different modules (that handle different card types), and a > second possible "race" for multiple same-type cards, which are handled > by the one and

Re: [DNG] My Qemu LAN-peer documentation is now in its first draft

2021-03-02 Thread tito via Dng
On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 01:34:40 +1100 Ralph Ronnquist via Dng wrote: > On 02/03 14:29, tito wrote: > > On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 00:06:27 +1100 > > Ralph Ronnquist via Dng wrote: > > > > > On 02/03 06:48, Steve Litt wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > As you know, I was asking many Qemu LAN-peer

Re: [DNG] My Qemu LAN-peer documentation is now in its first draft

2021-03-02 Thread Ralph Ronnquist via Dng
On 02/03 14:29, tito wrote: > On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 00:06:27 +1100 > Ralph Ronnquist via Dng wrote: > > > On 02/03 06:48, Steve Litt wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > As you know, I was asking many Qemu LAN-peer questions on this list > > > a week ago. My documentation on the subject has finally

Re: [DNG] My Qemu LAN-peer documentation is now in its first draft

2021-03-02 Thread tito via Dng
On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 00:06:27 +1100 Ralph Ronnquist via Dng wrote: > On 02/03 06:48, Steve Litt wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > As you know, I was asking many Qemu LAN-peer questions on this list > > a week ago. My documentation on the subject has finally achieved > > first-draft status. If you'd like

Re: [DNG] My Qemu LAN-peer documentation is now in its first draft

2021-03-02 Thread Ralph Ronnquist via Dng
On 02/03 06:48, Steve Litt wrote: > Hi all, > > As you know, I was asking many Qemu LAN-peer questions on this list a > week ago. My documentation on the subject has finally achieved > first-draft status. If you'd like to see it, go to: > > http://troubleshooters.com/linux/qemu/nobs.htm Thank

[DNG] My Qemu LAN-peer documentation is now in its first draft

2021-03-02 Thread Steve Litt
Hi all, As you know, I was asking many Qemu LAN-peer questions on this list a week ago. My documentation on the subject has finally achieved first-draft status. If you'd like to see it, go to: http://troubleshooters.com/linux/qemu/nobs.htm SteveT Steve Litt Autumn 2020 featured book: Thriving