Re: [DNG] [Dng] What do you guys think about "Suggest" and "Recommends" dependency?

2016-08-02 Thread dev1fanboy
Suggests pretty much throw in the kitchen sink, and most of the time I don't see how they relate to the parent package, so off seems like the best default. Most of the time recommends are useless but not every time. Like with firefox having ca-certificates as a 'recommended' package. Maybe a de

Re: [DNG] [Dng] What do you guys think about "Suggest" and "Recommends" dependency?

2016-08-01 Thread Steve Litt
On Mon, 1 Aug 2016 23:04:25 +0200 Adam Borowski wrote: > On Mon, Aug 01, 2016 at 11:36:23AM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > A case in point is asciidoc. It's used to generate HTML pages and > > books. To do books it recommends other sofftware that takes about > > a gigabyte on disk. Now the D

Re: [DNG] [Dng] What do you guys think about "Suggest" and "Recommends" dependency?

2016-08-01 Thread Adam Borowski
On Mon, Aug 01, 2016 at 11:36:23AM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > A case in point is asciidoc. It's used to generate HTML pages and > books. To do books it recommends other sofftware that takes about a > gigabyte on disk. Now the Docbook stuff and the LaTeX stuff are > necessary for producing

Re: [DNG] [Dng] What do you guys think about "Suggest" and "Recommends" dependency?

2016-08-01 Thread Steve Litt
On Mon, 01 Aug 2016 14:48:30 +0100 Rainer Weikusat wrote: > Daniel Reurich writes: > > Why are we dragging up a thread from over a year ago?? > > > > I strongly disagree, installing "Recommends" are IMHO reasonable > > for the common case, and that should stay the default except where > > the us

Re: [DNG] [Dng] What do you guys think about "Suggest" and "Recommends" dependency?

2016-08-01 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Aug 01, 2016 at 07:38:07AM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Mon, Aug 01, 2016 at 01:55:57PM +1200, Daniel Reurich wrote: > > Why are we dragging up a thread from over a year ago?? > > > > I strongly disagree, installing "Recommends" are IMHO reasonable for the > > common case, and that sho

Re: [DNG] [Dng] What do you guys think about "Suggest" and "Recommends" dependency?

2016-08-01 Thread KatolaZ
On Mon, Aug 01, 2016 at 04:25:35PM +0200, Jaromil wrote: [cut] > > What is feasible to do and comes out of this thread is to nurture the > documentation about this setting and perhaps aim to add an option in > Ascii about deactivating recommends: and suggests: . OTOH, inside > derivatives like D

Re: [DNG] [Dng] What do you guys think about "Suggest" and "Recommends" dependency?

2016-08-01 Thread Jaromil
On Mon, 01 Aug 2016, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > Daniel Reurich writes: > > Why are we dragging up a thread from over a year ago?? > > > > I strongly disagree, installing "Recommends" are IMHO reasonable > > for the common case, and that should stay the default except where > > the user wants to mai

Re: [DNG] [Dng] What do you guys think about "Suggest" and "Recommends" dependency?

2016-08-01 Thread KatolaZ
On Mon, Aug 01, 2016 at 02:48:30PM +0100, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > Daniel Reurich writes: > > Why are we dragging up a thread from over a year ago?? > > > > I strongly disagree, installing "Recommends" are IMHO reasonable for the > > common case, and that should stay the default except where the u

Re: [DNG] [Dng] What do you guys think about "Suggest" and "Recommends" dependency?

2016-08-01 Thread Rainer Weikusat
Daniel Reurich writes: > Why are we dragging up a thread from over a year ago?? > > I strongly disagree, installing "Recommends" are IMHO reasonable for the > common case, and that should stay the default except where the user > wants to maintain a really minimal system, The usually 'recommended'

Re: [DNG] [Dng] What do you guys think about "Suggest" and "Recommends" dependency?

2016-08-01 Thread hellekin
On 08/01/2016 01:55 AM, Daniel Reurich wrote: > > I think it may be useful to add a question into the installer about this > (probably only in expert mode) rather than blindly change the current > setting. Where we are rebuilding packages we could certainly review and > potentially reclassify rec

Re: [DNG] [Dng] What do you guys think about "Suggest" and "Recommends" dependency?

2016-07-31 Thread Adam Borowski
On Mon, Aug 01, 2016 at 01:55:57PM +1200, Daniel Reurich wrote: > Why are we dragging up a thread from over a year ago?? > > I strongly disagree, installing "Recommends" are IMHO reasonable for the > common case, and that should stay the default except where the user > wants to maintain a really m

Re: [DNG] [Dng] What do you guys think about "Suggest" and "Recommends" dependency?

2016-07-31 Thread Daniel Reurich
Hi Why are we dragging up a thread from over a year ago?? I strongly disagree, installing "Recommends" are IMHO reasonable for the common case, and that should stay the default except where the user wants to maintain a really minimal system, and is prepared to have to install everything not an ex

Re: [DNG] What do you guys think about "Suggest" and, "Recommends" dependency?

2016-07-31 Thread aitor_czr
Hi Nextime, On 07/31/2016 02:00 PM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: Franco Lanza wrote: >Personally on debian i was using from date > >APT:Install-Recommends "0"; >APT:Install-Suggests "0"; > >in all my install apt.conf. > >I don't like apt downloading and installing things that are not require

Re: [DNG] [Dng] What do you guys think about "Suggest" and "Recommends" dependency?

2016-07-31 Thread hellekin
On 07/31/2016 02:20 PM, Paweł Cholewiński wrote: > > First law of software quality picture from nixcraft .. > Oh, they even provided a line of examples :) BTW, I thought this suggests/recommends set to false were already agreed upon, so +1 here. (Sorry I didn't take the time to read the whole th

Re: [DNG] [Dng] What do you guys think about "Suggest" and "Recommends" dependency?

2016-07-31 Thread Paweł Cholewiński
W dniu 31.07.2016 o 13:47, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI pisze: On Fri, 3 Apr 2015 00:36:22 +0200 Franco Lanza wrote: Personally on debian i was using from date APT:Install-Recommends "0"; APT:Install-Suggests "0"; in all my install apt.conf. I don't like apt downloading and installing things that a

Re: [DNG] [Dng] What do you guys think about "Suggest" and "Recommends" dependency?

2016-07-31 Thread Ron
On Fri, 3 Apr 2015 00:36:22 +0200 Franco Lanza wrote: > Personally on debian i was using from date > > APT:Install-Recommends "0"; > APT:Install-Suggests "0"; > > in all my install apt.conf. > > I don't like apt downloading and installing things that are not required > but just recommended or

Re: [Dng] What do you guys think about "Suggest" and "Recommends" dependency?

2015-04-06 Thread Roger Leigh
On Thu, Apr 02, 2015 at 07:43:26PM -0500, T.J. Duchene wrote: > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Franco Lanza [mailto:next...@nexlab.it] > > Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2015 5:36 PM > > To: dng@lists.dyne.org > > Subject: [Dng] What do you guys t

Re: [Dng] What do you guys think about "Suggest" and "Recommends" dependency?

2015-04-05 Thread hellekin
On 04/03/2015 01:28 PM, Anto wrote: > > The login form seems to support the synchronisation with Gitlab account, > which I also already registered a few months back. But I got nginx 404 > error when I clicked on "with Gitlab". > *** The single-sign-on with Gitlab requires a Gitlab setting which I

Re: [Dng] What do you guys think about "Suggest" and "Recommends" dependency?

2015-04-04 Thread KatolaZ
On Fri, Apr 03, 2015 at 09:40:41PM -1000, Joel Roth wrote: [cut] > > Note that for a minimal dependencies default, the options to > apt-get are not ideal. We have these two options related to > the dependency graph. > >--no-install-recommends >Do not consider recommended pac

Re: [Dng] What do you guys think about "Suggest" and "Recommends" dependency?

2015-04-04 Thread Anto
On 04/04/15 09:40, Joel Roth wrote: Note that for a minimal dependencies default, the options to apt-get are not ideal. We have these two options related to the dependency graph. --no-install-recommends Do not consider recommended packages as a dependency for installing.

Re: [Dng] What do you guys think about "Suggest" and "Recommends" dependency?

2015-04-04 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
On Fri 03 April 2015 21:40:41 Joel Roth wrote: > On Sat, Apr 04, 2015 at 08:18:29AM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 03, 2015 at 12:36:22AM +0200, Franco Lanza wrote: > > > Personally on debian i was using from date > > > > > > APT:Install-Recommends "0"; > > > APT:Install-Suggests "0"; > > >

Re: [Dng] What do you guys think about "Suggest" and "Recommends" dependency?

2015-04-04 Thread Joel Roth
On Sat, Apr 04, 2015 at 08:18:29AM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > On Fri, Apr 03, 2015 at 12:36:22AM +0200, Franco Lanza wrote: > > Personally on debian i was using from date > > > > APT:Install-Recommends "0"; > > APT:Install-Suggests "0"; > > > > in all my install apt.conf. > > > > I don't like apt d

Re: [Dng] What do you guys think about "Suggest" and "Recommends" dependency?

2015-04-04 Thread KatolaZ
On Fri, Apr 03, 2015 at 12:36:22AM +0200, Franco Lanza wrote: > Personally on debian i was using from date > > APT:Install-Recommends "0"; > APT:Install-Suggests "0"; > > in all my install apt.conf. > > I don't like apt downloading and installing things that are not required > but just recommend

Re: [Dng] What do you guys think about "Suggest" and "Recommends" dependency?

2015-04-03 Thread Go Linux
On Fri, 4/3/15, Anto wrote: Subject: Re: [Dng] What do you guys think about "Suggest" and "Recommends" dependency? To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Friday, April 3, 2015, 11:28 AM On 03/04/15 01:53, hellekin wrote: > Oh, did I just announce the Devuan forum? You did

Re: [Dng] What do you guys think about "Suggest" and "Recommends" dependency?

2015-04-03 Thread Anto
On 03/04/15 01:53, hellekin wrote: Oh, did I just announce the Devuan forum? You did! And I just registered myself there. The login form seems to support the synchronisation with Gitlab account, which I also already registered a few months back. But I got nginx 404 error when I clicked on

Re: [Dng] What do you guys think about "Suggest" and "Recommends" dependency?

2015-04-03 Thread Anto
On 03/04/15 00:36, Franco Lanza wrote: Personally on debian i was using from date APT:Install-Recommends "0"; APT:Install-Suggests "0"; in all my install apt.conf. I don't like apt downloading and installing things that are not required but just recommended or suggested, expecially in server o

Re: [Dng] What do you guys think about "Suggest" and "Recommends" dependency?

2015-04-03 Thread Nuno Magalhães
On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 11:36 PM, Franco Lanza wrote: > Personally on debian i was using from date > > APT:Install-Recommends "0"; > APT:Install-Suggests "0"; +1 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listin

Re: [Dng] What do you guys think about "Suggest" and "Recommends" dependency?

2015-04-02 Thread T.J. Duchene
> -Original Message- > From: Franco Lanza [mailto:next...@nexlab.it] > Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2015 5:36 PM > To: dng@lists.dyne.org > Subject: [Dng] What do you guys think about "Suggest" and "Recommends" > dependency? > > Personally on d

Re: [Dng] What do you guys think about "Suggest" and "Recommends" dependency?

2015-04-02 Thread hellekin
On 04/02/2015 07:36 PM, Franco Lanza wrote: > Personally on debian i was using from date > > APT:Install-Recommends "0"; > APT:Install-Suggests "0"; > > What do you think if we make this the default in devuan? > *** +1. I'm all for minimalism in Devuan, and encouraging people to use Blends for e

Re: [Dng] What do you guys think about "Suggest" and "Recommends" dependency?

2015-04-02 Thread Jude Nelson
I'm all for it. If there are a set of packages that usually get installed together, we can create a metapackage for them. -Jude On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 6:36 PM, Franco Lanza wrote: > Personally on debian i was using from date > > APT:Install-Recommends "0"; > APT:Install-Suggests "0"; > > in al

[Dng] What do you guys think about "Suggest" and "Recommends" dependency?

2015-04-02 Thread Franco Lanza
Personally on debian i was using from date APT:Install-Recommends "0"; APT:Install-Suggests "0"; in all my install apt.conf. I don't like apt downloading and installing things that are not required but just recommended or suggested, expecially in server or embedded envs, but also on my desktop.