Re: [DNG] devuan chimaera and NUT shutdown failure

2022-04-10 Thread nate
On 2022-04-10 2:18, Mark Hindley wrote: Nate, On Sat, Apr 09, 2022 at 09:55:45AM -0700, nate wrote: My Beowulf system has sysvinit (which shutdown appears to come from) version 2.93-8+devuan1 and my Chimeara system has 2.96-7+devuan1. Nothing stands out in the changelog for sysvinit to

Re: [DNG] devuan chimaera and NUT shutdown failure

2022-04-10 Thread Mark Hindley
Nate, On Sat, Apr 09, 2022 at 09:55:45AM -0700, nate wrote: > My Beowulf system has sysvinit (which shutdown appears to come from) version > 2.93-8+devuan1 and my Chimeara system has 2.96-7+devuan1. Nothing stands > out in the changelog for sysvinit to explain this kind of behavioral > change.

[DNG] devuan chimaera and NUT shutdown failure

2022-04-09 Thread nate
Hello folks - hope your day is going well. I had a funky power situation this morning, power problems at home are super rare and this is the first time I want to say in 10+ years that I've actually had my UPS run out of battery on me. What surprised me was that the shutdown command coming

[DNG] Devuan Chimaera wlan0 delayed start-up

2022-01-21 Thread Mike Tubby
I have an NXP iMX8 system based on a SMARC SoM module from Embedian which was shipped with Debian 11. I have successfully used debootstrap to make a Devuan 4.0 system to get rid of systemd and put the ath10k firmware in /lib/firmware for the wifi card but now the system hangs for around 2

Re: [DNG] Devuan 4.0 on Sophos firewall hardware

2021-11-26 Thread tito via Dng
On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 13:24:26 + Mike Tubby wrote: > Just in case anyone is interested, I have had good success at installing > Devuan 4.0 on to second hand Sophos firewall hardware (XG115 and XG125, > Rev 3) to make light-weight firewalls and network appliances. Hi, I have it running on a

[DNG] Devuan 4.0 on Sophos firewall hardware

2021-11-26 Thread Mike Tubby
Just in case anyone is interested, I have had good success at installing Devuan 4.0 on to second hand Sophos firewall hardware (XG115 and XG125, Rev 3) to make light-weight firewalls and network appliances. You have to use a terminal program on the console port at 38400 to get access to the

Re: [DNG] Devuan with usr merge?

2021-11-16 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 07:42:18PM +0100, al3xu5 via Dng wrote: > > My suspected is that the (totally unecessary) usr-merge decision made by > Debian will force (almost) all its derivatives to adapt even if they > despite. > > This is because maintaining a derived distribution rejecting

Re: [DNG] Devuan with usr merge?

2021-11-16 Thread al3xu5 via Dng
Sat, 13 Nov 2021 17:24:51 -0500 - Steve Litt : > k...@aspodata.se said on Sat, 13 Nov 2021 22:28:02 +0100 (CET) > > >James Cloos: > >> > John Morris via Dng writes: > >> > So yes, it is time to eliminate /bin, /sbin and /lib. > >> the real result shod be eliminate /usr. > > >

Re: [DNG] Devuan with usr merge?

2021-11-16 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 16/11/2021 à 01:44, Florian Zieboll via Dng a écrit : > On Mon, 15 Nov 2021 21:19:08 +0100 > Antoine via Dng wrote: >> For what it's worth, I can confirm this : I ran a BeagleBoneBlack >> build of Devuan for a while and was rather surprised one day to >> discover that it had no kernel package

Re: [DNG] Devuan with usr merge?

2021-11-15 Thread Florian Zieboll via Dng
On Mon, 15 Nov 2021 21:19:08 +0100 Antoine via Dng wrote: > > For what it's worth, I can confirm this : I ran a BeagleBoneBlack > build of Devuan for a while and was rather surprised one day to > discover that it had no kernel package installed at all. The kernel > and initramfs where packed

Re: [DNG] Devuan with usr merge?

2021-11-15 Thread Antoine via Dng
On Saturday, 13 November at 22:31, Didier Kryn wrote: Le 13/11/2021 à 20:46, Steve Litt a écrit : (snip) Hi Karl, I think it's more than just a little time. Every time the kernel updates, you need to get the new kernel's source, recompile, and replace the new kernel. It *is* an interesting

Re: [DNG] Devuan with usr merge?

2021-11-13 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Steve Litt - 13.11.21, 23:24:51 CET: > By the way, for the person who really wants the usr merge, wouldn't > the conversion from an unmerged system consist of two mass copies and > a few symlinks? No. At least not if you like dpkg to be working fine. As I noted before, see:

Re: [DNG] Devuan with usr merge?

2021-11-13 Thread Steve Litt
k...@aspodata.se said on Sat, 13 Nov 2021 22:28:02 +0100 (CET) >James Cloos: >> > John Morris via Dng writes: >> > So yes, it is time to eliminate /bin, /sbin and /lib. >> the real result shod be eliminate /usr. > >Guys, please don't push unnessary changes and policies >to the user.

Re: [DNG] Devuan with usr merge?

2021-11-13 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 13/11/2021 à 20:46, Steve Litt a écrit : > k...@aspodata.se said on Sat, 13 Nov 2021 12:42:51 +0100 (CET) > >> Steve Litt: >>> John Morris via Dng said on Fri, 12 Nov 2021 17:26:52 -0600 On Tue, 2021-11-09 at 01:56 -0500, Steve Litt wrote: >> ... The size of the OS is just so

Re: [DNG] Devuan with usr merge?

2021-11-13 Thread karl
James Cloos: > > John Morris via Dng writes: > > So yes, it is time to eliminate /bin, /sbin and /lib. > the real result shod be eliminate /usr. Guys, please don't push unnessary changes and policies to the user. Let each and everyone be the master of his/her own systems. Just because

Re: [DNG] Devuan with usr merge?

2021-11-13 Thread Steve Litt
k...@aspodata.se said on Sat, 13 Nov 2021 12:42:51 +0100 (CET) >Steve Litt: >> John Morris via Dng said on Fri, 12 Nov 2021 17:26:52 -0600 >> >On Tue, 2021-11-09 at 01:56 -0500, Steve Litt wrote: >... >> >The size of the OS is just so small now, compared to storage media >> >and data files.

Re: [DNG] Devuan with usr merge?

2021-11-13 Thread James Cloos via Dng
> John Morris via Dng writes: > So yes, it is time to eliminate /bin, /sbin and /lib. the real result shod be eliminate /usr. system packages should all use --prefix=/, local ones should default to --prefix=/local, and closed src crap^Wstuff should use things like /opt/FOO for a prefix.

Re: [DNG] Devuan with usr merge?

2021-11-13 Thread Stefan Krusche
Am Samstag, 13. November 2021 schrieb Didier Kryn: > Le 13/11/2021 à 08:48, Didier Kryn a écrit : > > Le 13/11/2021 à 00:26, John Morris via Dng a écrit : > >> So yes, it is time to eliminate /bin, /sbin and /lib. > > > >     Seems I've got it wrong. My understanding was that /usr/bin and > >

Re: [DNG] Devuan with usr merge?

2021-11-13 Thread karl
Steve Litt: > John Morris via Dng said on Fri, 12 Nov 2021 17:26:52 -0600 > >On Tue, 2021-11-09 at 01:56 -0500, Steve Litt wrote: ... > >The size of the OS is just so small now, compared to storage media and > >data files. Even a small SSD will easily hold all of /usr for all but > >the most

Re: [DNG] Devuan with usr merge? initramfs

2021-11-13 Thread ael via Dng
On Sat, Nov 13, 2021 at 09:32:38AM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote: > >     I now understand the concern of Steve: it looks like the beginning > of an attempt to force initramfs on people, even if it is not effective yet. I too dislike having to use initramfs rather than having the essential modules

Re: [DNG] Devuan with usr merge?

2021-11-13 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 13/11/2021 à 08:48, Didier Kryn a écrit : > Le 13/11/2021 à 00:26, John Morris via Dng a écrit : >> So yes, it is time to eliminate /bin, /sbin and /lib. >     Seems I've got it wrong. My understanding was that /usr/bin and > /usr/sbin were merged into /bin and /sbin. You assume the opposite

Re: [DNG] Devuan with usr merge?

2021-11-12 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 13/11/2021 à 00:26, John Morris via Dng a écrit : > So yes, it is time to eliminate /bin, /sbin and /lib.     Seems I've got it wrong. My understanding was that /usr/bin and /usr/sbin were merged into /bin and /sbin. You assume the opposite and probably so does Steve.     Needs

Re: [DNG] Devuan with usr merge?

2021-11-12 Thread Steve Litt
John Morris via Dng said on Fri, 12 Nov 2021 17:26:52 -0600 >On Tue, 2021-11-09 at 01:56 -0500, Steve Litt wrote: >> >> The logic is still the same. I need a guaranteed place on the root >> partition to find the programs necessary to mount all the other >> partitions, or else I'll need to run an

Re: [DNG] Devuan with usr merge?

2021-11-12 Thread John Morris via Dng
On Tue, 2021-11-09 at 01:56 -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > > The logic is still the same. I need a guaranteed place on the root > partition to find the programs necessary to mount all the other > partitions, or else I'll need to run an initramfs. Been following this debate. Admit that a few years

Re: [DNG] Devuan with usr merge?

2021-11-09 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 09/11/2021 à 07:56, Steve Litt a écrit : > The logic is still the same. I need a guaranteed place on the root > partition to find the programs necessary to mount all the other > partitions, or else I'll need to run an initramfs.     You just need that the root partition be large enough to

Re: [DNG] Devuan with usr merge?

2021-11-08 Thread Steve Litt
Didier Kryn said on Mon, 8 Nov 2021 13:50:25 +0100 >Le 06/11/2021 à 03:03, Steve Litt a écrit : >> Personally, I want a directory, guaranteed not to be a mount point, >> where the statically compiled binaries necessary to bring up the >> system, things like mount and ln and vi and fsck, etc, so

Re: [DNG] Devuan with usr merge?

2021-11-08 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Didier Kryn - 08.11.21, 13:50:25 CET: > What is called "interpreter" here is the dynamic linker associated to > the shared version of gcc, the Gnu C library. There is practically no > statically linked application in a Debian distribution, except some > part of debootstrap. Well and special

Re: [DNG] Devuan with usr merge?

2021-11-08 Thread tito via Dng
On Mon, 8 Nov 2021 13:50:25 +0100 Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 06/11/2021 à 03:03, Steve Litt a écrit : > > Personally, I want a directory, guaranteed not to be a mount point, > > where the statically compiled binaries necessary to bring up the > > system, things like mount and ln and vi and fsck,

Re: [DNG] Devuan with usr merge?

2021-11-08 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 08/11/2021 à 13:50, Didier Kryn a écrit : > Le 06/11/2021 à 03:03, Steve Litt a écrit : >> Personally, I want a directory, guaranteed not to be a mount point, >> where the statically compiled binaries necessary to bring up the >> system, things like mount and ln and vi and fsck, etc, so if I

Re: [DNG] Devuan with usr merge?

2021-11-08 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 06/11/2021 à 03:03, Steve Litt a écrit : > Personally, I want a directory, guaranteed not to be a mount point, > where the statically compiled binaries necessary to bring up the > system, things like mount and ln and vi and fsck, etc, so if I don't > want to, I don't have to run an initramfs.  

Re: [DNG] Devuan with usr merge?

2021-11-06 Thread Alexis PM via Dng
>> On 11/5/21 4:13 PM, Svante Signell via Dng wrote: >>> On Fri, 2021-11-05 at 18:50 +, Alexis PM via Dng wrote: Debian 11 Bullseye is the last Debian release that supports the non- merged-usr layout. It is therefore foreseeable that Devuan 4 Chimaera will also be.

Re: [DNG] Devuan with usr merge?

2021-11-06 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Harald Arnesen via Dng - 06.11.21, 12:31:16 CET: > william moss via Dng [05/11/2021 22.49]: > > BSD and system V (AT/Bell Labs System Five) switched more than a > > decade ago. > > Certainly not FreeBSD: > > $ uname -or > FreeBSD 13.0-STABLE > > $ ls /bin | wc -l >44 > > $ ls /usr/bin

Re: [DNG] Devuan with usr merge?

2021-11-06 Thread Harald Arnesen via Dng
william moss via Dng [05/11/2021 22.49]: BSD and system V (AT/Bell Labs System Five) switched more than a decade ago. Certainly not FreeBSD: $ uname -or FreeBSD 13.0-STABLE $ ls /bin | wc -l 44 $ ls /usr/bin | wc -l 488 -- Hilsen Harald

Re: [DNG] Devuan with usr merge?

2021-11-06 Thread Martin Steigerwald
william moss via Dng - 05.11.21, 22:49:42 CET: > On 11/5/21 4:13 PM, Svante Signell via Dng wrote: > > On Fri, 2021-11-05 at 18:50 +, Alexis PM via Dng wrote: > >> Debian 11 Bullseye is the last Debian release that supports the > >> non- > >> merged-usr layout. It is therefore foreseeable

Re: [DNG] Devuan with usr merge?

2021-11-05 Thread william moss via Dng
On 11/5/21 4:13 PM, Svante Signell via Dng wrote: > On Fri, 2021-11-05 at 18:50 +, Alexis PM via Dng wrote: >>  Debian 11 Bullseye is the last Debian release that supports the non- >> merged-usr layout. It is therefore foreseeable that Devuan 4 Chimaera >> will also be. >> > > I'm not so sure

Re: [DNG] Devuan with usr merge?

2021-11-05 Thread Steve Litt
Alexis PM via Dng said on Fri, 5 Nov 2021 18:50:41 + (UTC) > Debian 11 Bullseye is the last Debian release that supports the > non-merged-usr layout. >It is therefore foreseeable that Devuan 4 Chimaera will also be. > >Official Debian information: > >The historical justifications for the

Re: [DNG] Devuan with usr merge?

2021-11-05 Thread Steve Litt
Martin Steigerwald said on Fri, 05 Nov 2021 15:44:06 +0100 >No need to Cc me. I am subscribed. (I know there are different habits, >so just a friendly information.) Me too. I'm on the list, and people cc'ing me when replying to the list or writing to me and cc'ing the list just complexify my

Re: [DNG] Devuan with usr merge?

2021-11-05 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Svante Signell via Dng - 05.11.21, 21:13:10 CET: > On Fri, 2021-11-05 at 18:50 +, Alexis PM via Dng wrote: > > Debian 11 Bullseye is the last Debian release that supports the > > non- > > merged-usr layout. It is therefore foreseeable that Devuan 4 > > Chimaera > > will also be. > > I'm not

Re: [DNG] Devuan with usr merge?

2021-11-05 Thread Svante Signell via Dng
On Fri, 2021-11-05 at 18:50 +, Alexis PM via Dng wrote: >  Debian 11 Bullseye is the last Debian release that supports the non- > merged-usr layout. It is therefore foreseeable that Devuan 4 Chimaera > will also be. > I'm not so sure Devuan has to follow Debian with respect to merged- /usr.

Re: [DNG] Devuan with usr merge?

2021-11-05 Thread Alexis PM via Dng
Debian 11 Bullseye is the last Debian release that supports the non-merged-usr layout. It is therefore foreseeable that Devuan 4 Chimaera will also be. Official Debian information: The historical justifications for the filesystem layout with /bin, /sbin, and /lib directories separate from

Re: [DNG] Devuan with usr merge?

2021-11-05 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Hi Svante. No need to Cc me. I am subscribed. (I know there are different habits, so just a friendly information.) Svante Signell - 05.11.21, 11:26:52 CET: > On Fri, 2021-11-05 at 10:52 +0100, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > Debian 11 defaults to usr merge. So the installed system used usr > >

Re: [DNG] Devuan with usr merge?

2021-11-05 Thread Svante Signell via Dng
On Fri, 2021-11-05 at 10:52 +0100, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > Hi! > > I migrated a Debian Buster to Devuan Chimaera by already install runit- > init into /target during Debian installation and then switching over > sources.list to Chimaera. > > Debian 11 defaults to usr merge. So the installed

[DNG] Devuan with usr merge?

2021-11-05 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Hi! I migrated a Debian Buster to Devuan Chimaera by already install runit- init into /target during Debian installation and then switching over sources.list to Chimaera. Debian 11 defaults to usr merge. So the installed system used usr merge. I suppose Devuan is compatible and will remain

[DNG] [devuan] Announcing Devuan 4.0: Chimaera!

2021-10-24 Thread Subscribe to receive announcements about Devuan
Dear Friends and Software Freedom Lovers, Devuan Developers are pleased to announce the release of Devuan Chimaera 4.0 as the project's newest stable release. This is the result of lots of painstaking work by the team and extensive testing by the wider Devuan community.

Re: [DNG] devuan gitea broken?

2021-09-24 Thread tito via Dng
On Sat, 25 Sep 2021 08:45:50 +1000 Ralph Ronnquist via Dng wrote: > On Fri, 24 Sep 2021 21:39:01 +0200 > tito wrote: > > > On Fri, 24 Sep 2021 09:57:59 +1000 > > Ralph Ronnquist via Dng wrote: > > > > > This one turned out to be that someone (aka me) had mistakenly > > > raised a blanket

Re: [DNG] devuan gitea broken?

2021-09-24 Thread Ralph Ronnquist via Dng
On Fri, 24 Sep 2021 21:39:01 +0200 tito wrote: > On Fri, 24 Sep 2021 09:57:59 +1000 > Ralph Ronnquist via Dng wrote: > > > This one turned out to be that someone (aka me) had mistakenly > > raised a blanket traffic blockage as a misdirected response to an > > apparent DoS effect via gitea

Re: [DNG] devuan gitea broken?

2021-09-24 Thread tito via Dng
On Fri, 24 Sep 2021 09:57:59 +1000 Ralph Ronnquist via Dng wrote: > This one turned out to be that someone (aka me) had mistakenly raised a > blanket traffic blockage as a misdirected response to an apparent DoS > effect via gitea accesses. Things should be better now, at least until I > have

Re: [DNG] devuan gitea broken?

2021-09-23 Thread Ralph Ronnquist via Dng
This one turned out to be that someone (aka me) had mistakenly raised a blanket traffic blockage as a misdirected response to an apparent DoS effect via gitea accesses. Things should be better now, at least until I have another go at dealing with the same problem. Ralph. On Thu, 23 Sep 2021

Re: [DNG] devuan gitea broken?

2021-09-23 Thread tito via Dng
On Wed, 22 Sep 2021 14:54:54 +0200 tito via Dng wrote: > Hi, > is there any problem with devuan's gitea web interface? > It loads so slowly that it is impossible to work with it. > My connectivity seems ok as all other sites work as expected. > > Ciao, > Tito > Hi, just wanted to tell that the

Re: [DNG] devuan gitea broken?

2021-09-22 Thread golinux
On 2021-09-22 07:54, tito via Dng wrote: Hi, is there any problem with devuan's gitea web interface? It loads so slowly that it is impossible to work with it. My connectivity seems ok as all other sites work as expected. Ciao, Tito It seems so! git was extremely sluggish last night when

[DNG] devuan gitea broken?

2021-09-22 Thread tito via Dng
Hi, is there any problem with devuan's gitea web interface? It loads so slowly that it is impossible to work with it. My connectivity seems ok as all other sites work as expected. Ciao, Tito ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [DNG] Devuan --> Debian?

2021-08-20 Thread Antony Stone
On Friday 20 August 2021 at 15:34:01, o1bigtenor wrote: > On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 12:42 PM Antony Stone wrote: > > > > I didn't want to end up with Debian anyway - the only purpose was to be > > able to install FreeSwitch, find out how much of it really depended on > > systemd, and then work out

Re: [DNG] Devuan --> Debian?

2021-08-20 Thread o1bigtenor via Dng
On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 12:42 PM Antony Stone < antony.st...@devuan.open.source.it> wrote: > On Thursday 19 August 2021 at 18:53:51, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 01:52:12PM +0200, Antony Stone wrote: > > > > > > I've purged eudev and now I'm installing FreeSwitch :) > > > > >

Re: [DNG] Devuan --> Debian?

2021-08-19 Thread Mark Rousell
On 19/08/2021 17:29, Antony Stone wrote: > On Thursday 19 August 2021 at 13:22:06, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > >> Install "equivs" and build a dummy package. >> >> Nik > Once again, thank you indeed for introducing me to this tool. > > One tip that I'll pass on in case other people here find it

Re: [DNG] Devuan --> Debian?

2021-08-19 Thread Antony Stone
On Thursday 19 August 2021 at 18:53:51, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 01:52:12PM +0200, Antony Stone wrote: > > > > I've purged eudev and now I'm installing FreeSwitch :) > > > > Thanks for the pointer - looks like this will get me where I wanted to > > be. > > Do I understand

Re: [DNG] Devuan --> Debian?

2021-08-19 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 01:52:12PM +0200, Antony Stone wrote: > On Thursday 19 August 2021 at 13:42:28, Antony Stone wrote: > > > # dpkg -i systemd_250_all.deb > > (Reading database ... 43385 files and directories currently installed.) > > Preparing to unpack systemd_250_all.deb ... > > Unpacking

Re: [DNG] Devuan --> Debian?

2021-08-19 Thread Antony Stone
On Thursday 19 August 2021 at 13:22:06, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > Install "equivs" and build a dummy package. > > Nik Once again, thank you indeed for introducing me to this tool. One tip that I'll pass on in case other people here find it useful: - unless the thing you want to install

Re: [DNG] Devuan --> Debian?

2021-08-19 Thread Antony Stone
On Thursday 19 August 2021 at 13:42:28, Antony Stone wrote: > # dpkg -i systemd_250_all.deb > (Reading database ... 43385 files and directories currently installed.) > Preparing to unpack systemd_250_all.deb ... > Unpacking systemd (250) over (1.0) ... > dpkg: dependency problems prevent

Re: [DNG] Devuan --> Debian?

2021-08-19 Thread Antony Stone
On Thursday 19 August 2021 at 13:27:22, Antony Stone wrote: > On Thursday 19 August 2021 at 13:22:06, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > > Anno domini 2021 Thu, 19 Aug 13:18:16 +0200 Antony Stone scripsit: > > > freeswitch-systemd : Depends: systemd which is a virtual package and is > > > not provided

Re: [DNG] Devuan --> Debian?

2021-08-19 Thread Antony Stone
On Thursday 19 August 2021 at 13:22:06, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > Anno domini 2021 Thu, 19 Aug 13:18:16 +0200 Antony Stone scripsit: > > > freeswitch-systemd : Depends: systemd which is a virtual package and is > > not provided by any available package > > Install "equivs" and build a dummy

Re: [DNG] Devuan --> Debian?

2021-08-19 Thread Dr. Nikolaus Klepp
Anno domini 2021 Thu, 19 Aug 13:18:16 +0200 Antony Stone scripsit: > Hi. > > This may seem like a strange question, but has anyone tried "migrating" a > machine from Devuan to Debian (ie: not the normal way round we discuss it > here)? > > I have a need to play with FreeSwitch, and the

[DNG] Devuan --> Debian?

2021-08-19 Thread Antony Stone
Hi. This may seem like a strange question, but has anyone tried "migrating" a machine from Devuan to Debian (ie: not the normal way round we discuss it here)? I have a need to play with FreeSwitch, and the package installer tells me: freeswitch-systemd : Depends: systemd which is a virtual

Re: [DNG] Devuan as a hypervisor?

2021-08-05 Thread Andrzej Peszynski
On 2021-08-02 11:16, hal wrote: > > I've been running KVM/QEMU/Virt-Manager on Devuan for many years with 3-4 VMs and haven't had any issues directly related to Devuan. It's not my intent to bash systemd but it's worth mentioning that I've had many other issues with Debian based hypervisors

Re: [DNG] Devuan as a hypervisor?

2021-08-03 Thread Simon Walter
On 2021-07-31 10:25, yami...@cock.li wrote: > Hi. > > I want to install a bare metal hypervisor in my computer to get the > benefits from dual booting except without the mess that is dual booting. > > I'm going to use it for both linux and windows systems and all I want is > for the vms and

Re: [DNG] Devuan as a hypervisor?

2021-08-02 Thread hal
On 7/30/21 20:25, yami...@cock.li wrote: Currently I'm between Xen and Qemu, but I'm open to other options. Which would be the best option in this case, and is this even a good idea? I've been running KVM/QEMU/Virt-Manager on Devuan for many years with 3-4 VMs and haven't had any issues

Re: [DNG] Devuan as a hypervisor?

2021-08-01 Thread Rod Rodolico via Dng
We have been virtualizing machines, servers and workstations, for over a decade. First on Debian, then Devuan. My personal workstation is Devuan, and I have Windows 7 & 10, FreeBSD, Devuan, and CentOS available as virtuals that I spool up as needed. On our servers, we mainly virtualize Devuan

Re: [DNG] Devuan as a hypervisor?

2021-08-01 Thread Curtis Maurand via Dng
I’ve been running a production system first on ascii, but upgraded to beowulf. the only trouble I’ve had has been hardware and that was just a failed power supply. i run the whole thing on kvm/libvirt. runs great. uptimes in the 100’s of days. Your mileage may vary. —Curtis Sent from my

[DNG] Devuan as a hypervisor?

2021-08-01 Thread yamifag
Hi. I want to install a bare metal hypervisor in my computer to get the benefits from dual booting except without the mess that is dual booting. I'm going to use it for both linux and windows systems and all I want is for the vms and their files to be isolated, control over their resources,

Re: [DNG] Devuan for WSL

2021-07-17 Thread Olaf Meeuwissen via Dng
Hi Tito, tito via Dng writes: > On Thu, 15 Jul 2021 13:57:54 -0400 > Linux O'Beardly via Dng wrote: > >> Has anyone attempted and/or had success at creating a WSL distribution from >> a Devuan docker image? I started a new gig and am stuck with a Windows >> laptop, but they will allow us to run

Re: [DNG] Devuan for WSL

2021-07-16 Thread Linux O'Beardly via Dng
Harald and Nick - Thank you both for the responses. On Thu, Jul 15, 2021 at 5:18 PM d...@d404.nl wrote: > On 15-07-2021 23:02, Harald Arnesen via Dng wrote: > > Linux O'Beardly via Dng [15.07.2021 19:57]: > > > >> Has anyone attempted and/or had success at creating a WSL distribution > >> from

Re: [DNG] Devuan for WSL

2021-07-15 Thread tito via Dng
On Thu, 15 Jul 2021 13:57:54 -0400 Linux O'Beardly via Dng wrote: > Has anyone attempted and/or had success at creating a WSL distribution from > a Devuan docker image? I started a new gig and am stuck with a Windows > laptop, but they will allow us to run WSL. Any info would be greatly >

Re: [DNG] Devuan for WSL

2021-07-15 Thread d...@d404.nl
On 15-07-2021 23:02, Harald Arnesen via Dng wrote: Linux O'Beardly via Dng [15.07.2021 19:57]: Has anyone attempted and/or had success at creating a WSL distribution from a Devuan docker image? I started a new gig and am stuck with a Windows laptop, but they will allow us to run WSL. Any info

Re: [DNG] Devuan for WSL

2021-07-15 Thread Harald Arnesen via Dng
Linux O'Beardly via Dng [15.07.2021 19:57]: > Has anyone attempted and/or had success at creating a WSL distribution > from a Devuan docker image? I started a new gig and am stuck with a > Windows laptop, but they will allow us to run WSL. Any info would be > greatly appreciated.  Not from a

[DNG] Devuan for WSL

2021-07-15 Thread Linux O'Beardly via Dng
Has anyone attempted and/or had success at creating a WSL distribution from a Devuan docker image? I started a new gig and am stuck with a Windows laptop, but they will allow us to run WSL. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, -- Linux O'Beardly @LinuxOBeardly http://o.beard.ly

Re: [DNG] Devuan eBook Reader

2021-05-26 Thread spiralofhope
On Mon, 24 May 2021 19:25:16 + g4sra via Dng wrote: > Has anyone attempted to put Devuan on an eBook yet ? Devuan is Debian without systemd. Check with the Debian people. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [DNG] Devuan eBook Reader

2021-05-25 Thread Dimitri Minaev via Dng
My five cents — FBReader, very flexible reader with CSS support and customizable appearance. On Wed, May 26, 2021, 01:10 Antoine via Dng wrote: > On Tuesday, 25 May at 14:01, Steve Litt wrote: > >terryc said on Tue, 25 May 2021 08:35:12 +1000 > > > >>On Mon, 24 May 2021 19:25:16 + > >>g4sra

Re: [DNG] Devuan eBook Reader

2021-05-25 Thread Antoine via Dng
On Tuesday, 25 May at 14:01, Steve Litt wrote: terryc said on Tue, 25 May 2021 08:35:12 +1000 On Mon, 24 May 2021 19:25:16 + g4sra via Dng wrote: I am shocked at the amount of 'user profiling' the OEM firmware performs which is then sent to Chinese servers. I have temporarily knobbled

Re: [DNG] Devuan eBook Reader

2021-05-25 Thread Steve Litt
terryc said on Tue, 25 May 2021 08:35:12 +1000 >On Mon, 24 May 2021 19:25:16 + >g4sra via Dng wrote: > >> I am shocked at the amount of 'user profiling' the OEM firmware >> performs which is then sent to Chinese servers. I have temporarily >> knobbled the network until I find a more

Re: [DNG] Devuan eBook Reader

2021-05-25 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 10:42:37AM +0200, Antony Stone wrote: > On Tuesday 25 May 2021 at 05:25:41, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 09:32:49PM +0200, Antony Stone wrote: > > > > > > As for getting a standard GNU / Linux system onto eBook reader hardware, > > > I would say: > >

Re: [DNG] Devuan eBook Reader

2021-05-25 Thread Dimitri Minaev via Dng
Some years ago there was a pretty decent Linux distribution for ebook readers, called Open Inkpot. It was around 2010 and I'm almost certain that it didn't include Systemd, nor any spyware. The choice of hardware was pretty limited at that time, though. On Mon, May 24, 2021, 23:25 g4sra via Dng

Re: [DNG] Devuan eBook Reader

2021-05-25 Thread Antony Stone
On Tuesday 25 May 2021 at 05:25:41, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 09:32:49PM +0200, Antony Stone wrote: > > > > As for getting a standard GNU / Linux system onto eBook reader hardware, > > I would say: > > > > a) very unlikely, given the storage capacity typically available > >

Re: [DNG] Devuan eBook Reader

2021-05-24 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 09:32:49PM +0200, Antony Stone wrote: > On Monday 24 May 2021 at 21:25:16, g4sra via Dng wrote: > > > I am shocked at the amount of 'user profiling' the OEM firmware performs > > which is then sent to Chinese servers. > > Sorry, but what are you talking about? > > > I

Re: [DNG] Devuan eBook Reader

2021-05-24 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 25 May 2021 08:35:12 +1000, terryc wrote in message <20210525083512.4f6a1...@dragonfly.woa.com.au>: > On Mon, 24 May 2021 19:25:16 + > g4sra via Dng wrote: > > > I am shocked at the amount of 'user profiling' the OEM firmware > > performs which is then sent to Chinese servers. I

Re: [DNG] Devuan eBook Reader

2021-05-24 Thread terryc
On Mon, 24 May 2021 19:25:16 + g4sra via Dng wrote: > I am shocked at the amount of 'user profiling' the OEM firmware > performs which is then sent to Chinese servers. I have temporarily > knobbled the network until I find a more permanent solution. > > > Has anyone attempted to put

Re: [DNG] Devuan eBook Reader

2021-05-24 Thread Antony Stone
On Monday 24 May 2021 at 21:25:16, g4sra via Dng wrote: > I am shocked at the amount of 'user profiling' the OEM firmware performs > which is then sent to Chinese servers. Sorry, but what are you talking about? > I have temporarily knobbled the network until I find a more permanent > solution.

[DNG] Devuan eBook Reader

2021-05-24 Thread g4sra via Dng
I am shocked at the amount of 'user profiling' the OEM firmware performs which is then sent to Chinese servers. I have temporarily knobbled the network until I find a more permanent solution. Has anyone attempted to put Devuan on an eBook yet ? publickey - g4sra@protonmail.com -

Re: [DNG] Devuan in the news today

2021-02-25 Thread Peter Duffy
Good article - one of the best and most even-handed summaries of the systemd position that I've read. One issue is that he oversimplifies the position re. gnome: he doesn't make it clear that it's gnome 3 which has co-dependencies with systemd, and that some of the desktop environments that he

Re: [DNG] Devuan in the news today

2021-02-25 Thread golinux
On 2021-02-24 21:12, Roberto Scattini via Dng wrote: On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 10:29 PM Nelson H. F. Beebe via Dng < dng@lists.dyne.org> wrote: Some of you may wish to look at this story on Google News today: The Best Linux Distributions Without systemd

Re: [DNG] Devuan in the news today

2021-02-25 Thread Roberto Scattini via Dng
On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 10:29 PM Nelson H. F. Beebe via Dng < dng@lists.dyne.org> wrote: > Some of you may wish to look at this story on Google News today: > > The Best Linux Distributions Without systemd > > https://www.howtogeek.com/713847/the-best-linux-distributions-without-systemd/ >

[DNG] Devuan in the news today

2021-02-24 Thread Nelson H. F. Beebe via Dng
Some of you may wish to look at this story on Google News today: The Best Linux Distributions Without systemd https://www.howtogeek.com/713847/the-best-linux-distributions-without-systemd/ Devuan gets a whole section of the article, which notes >> ... >> Devuan was

Re: [DNG] Devuan 3.1 media coverage

2021-02-18 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Hendrik Boom - 18.02.21, 22:23:54 CET: > On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 01:41:52PM +0100, Florian Zieboll via Dng wrote: > > Nice, Devuan made it to the reputable german IT news at heise.de > > (also home of the internet magazine 'telepolis') again: > > > > https://www.heise.de/-5057592 > > Didn't get

Re: [DNG] Devuan 3.1 media coverage

2021-02-18 Thread terryc
On Thu, 18 Feb 2021 16:23:54 -0500 Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 01:41:52PM +0100, Florian Zieboll via Dng > wrote: > > Nice, Devuan made it to the reputable german IT news at heise.de > > (also home of the internet magazine 'telepolis') again: > > > >

Re: [DNG] Devuan 3.1 media coverage

2021-02-18 Thread Florian Zieboll via Dng
On Thu, 18 Feb 2021 16:23:54 -0500 Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 01:41:52PM +0100, Florian Zieboll via Dng > wrote: > > Nice, Devuan made it to the reputable german IT news at heise.de > > (also home of the internet magazine 'telepolis') again: > > > >

Re: [DNG] Devuan 3.1 media coverage

2021-02-18 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 01:41:52PM +0100, Florian Zieboll via Dng wrote: > Nice, Devuan made it to the reputable german IT news at heise.de (also home > of the internet magazine 'telepolis') again: > > https://www.heise.de/-5057592 Didn't get past the cookie warning. My German wasn't good

Re: [DNG] Devuan 3.1 media coverage

2021-02-18 Thread Florian Zieboll via Dng
Am 18. Februar 2021 16:36:26 MEZ schrieb "Ludovic Bellière" : > Posivite review I presume? Yes, positive but not 100% correct. Good journalism wants to get paid - and damn, for a couple of well-considered reasons, I too use an adbocker... But as usual, the "forists" helped out and the

Re: [DNG] Devuan 3.1 media coverage

2021-02-18 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Thu, 18 Feb 2021 16:36:26 +0100, Ludovic wrote in message <20210218163626.557de...@aasterinian.home>: > > On Thu, 18 Feb 2021 13:41:52 +0100 > Florian Zieboll via Dng wrote: > > > Nice, Devuan made it to the reputable german IT news at heise.de > > (also home of the internet magazine

Re: [DNG] Devuan 3.1 media coverage

2021-02-18 Thread Ludovic Bellière
Posivite review I presume? On Thu, 18 Feb 2021 13:41:52 +0100 Florian Zieboll via Dng wrote: > Nice, Devuan made it to the reputable german IT news at heise.de > (also home of the internet magazine 'telepolis') again: > > https://www.heise.de/-5057592 > > libre Grüße, > Florian > >

[DNG] Devuan 3.1 media coverage

2021-02-18 Thread Florian Zieboll via Dng
Nice, Devuan made it to the reputable german IT news at heise.de (also home of the internet magazine 'telepolis') again: https://www.heise.de/-5057592 libre Grüße, Florian -- [message sent otg] ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [DNG] Devuan Beowulf 3.1.0 point release

2021-02-16 Thread fsmithred via Dng
On 2/16/21 1:43 AM, spiralofhope wrote: > On Sun, 14 Feb 2021 20:36:58 -0500 > fsmithred via Dng wrote: > >> Devuan Beowulf 3.1.0 point release > > > However, > > devuan_beowulf_3.1.0_amd64_minimal-live.iso does NOT work with > ventoy-1.0.35 (installed via Windows 10). > > I get: > >> No

Re: [DNG] Devuan Beowulf 3.1.0 point release

2021-02-15 Thread spiralofhope
On Sun, 14 Feb 2021 20:36:58 -0500 fsmithred via Dng wrote: > Devuan Beowulf 3.1.0 point release Confirmed that devuan_beowulf_3.1.0_amd64_desktop-live.iso works with ventoy-1.0.35 (installed via Windows 10). I highly recommend checking out Ventoy. Persistence works, based on its instructions

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