Re: [DNG] lightweight graphics toolkits (was Experiencing with GtkBuilder)

2015-12-03 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 02/12/2015 19:18, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit : > The audience of Linux does not restrict to email, browsing, and office suite, that is end users of shiny applications. There is another kind of audience: people who need to develop their own custom applications; these people don't care of look and

Re: [DNG] lightweight graphics toolkits (was Experiencing with GtkBuilder)

2015-12-02 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
> The audience of Linux does not restrict to email, browsing, and office suite, that is end users of shiny applications. There is another kind of audience: people who need to develop their own custom applications; these people don't care of look and feel, but they care with development time.

Re: [DNG] lightweight graphics toolkits (was Experiencing with GtkBuilder)

2015-11-28 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 28/11/2015 07:23, Mitt Green a écrit : It's not outdated since it's actively maintained. I agree that it isn't eye-candy at all. But I would say it's easier to program than ncurses. It has a loot of widgets. The advantage of ncurses is obviously that it can run without X, therefore on very

Re: [DNG] lightweight graphics toolkits (was Experiencing with GtkBuilder)

2015-11-28 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
> Gtk and Qt are meant for applications who target the general public, which > have to be shiny and stylish to be adopted. So an application to connect over wifi isn't an application that targets the  general public? Also, what are some examples of actively maintained GUI toolkits that don't 

Re: [DNG] lightweight graphics toolkits (was Experiencing with GtkBuilder)

2015-11-28 Thread Godefridus Daalmans
If your programs depend on CDE, you could try to compile them against lesstif2, that's an LGPL implementation of Motif, on top of just the X libraries. I don't know if it's binary-compatible or if it's actively maintained. Frits And why actually there is no package for it in repository?

Re: [DNG] lightweight graphics toolkits (was Experiencing with GtkBuilder)

2015-11-28 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 28/11/2015 16:29, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit : > Gtk and Qt are meant for applications who target the general public, which have to be shiny and stylish to be adopted. So an application to connect over wifi isn't an application that targets the general public? Take it easy Jonathan.

Re: [DNG] lightweight graphics toolkits (was Experiencing with GtkBuilder)

2015-11-28 Thread Roger Leigh
On 28/11/2015 18:46, Godefridus Daalmans wrote: If your programs depend on CDE, you could try to compile them against lesstif2, that's an LGPL implementation of Motif, on top of just the X libraries. I don't know if it's binary-compatible or if it's actively maintained. Not sure of its

Re: [DNG] lightweight graphics toolkits (was Experiencing with GtkBuilder)

2015-11-27 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 25/11/2015 00:50, Timo Buhrmester a écrit : What's left after Qt and Gtk have been removed? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FLTK Here is a summary of my readings on FLTK and Xforms: Both FLTK and Xforns originate from the same older /Forms/ library. Both are available from

Re: [DNG] lightweight graphics toolkits (was Experiencing with GtkBuilder)

2015-11-27 Thread Mitt Green
So, what's so wrong with gtk+2? It is lightweight (fairly), doesn't have that unnecessary stuff (animations, transparent scrollbars, "client-side decorations") and has better theme support. Mitt ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [DNG] lightweight graphics toolkits (was Experiencing with GtkBuilder)

2015-11-27 Thread Mitt Green
>>> The issue with Gtk is that it is part of Gnome and Gnome >>> is becoming >>> more and more entangled with Systemd. Well, I hope things won't get that mad, so we'll have gtk+ depending on systemd, and reckon it won't (: >>> Regarding writing an appli, I can only tell it's easy with >>>

Re: [DNG] lightweight graphics toolkits (was Experiencing with GtkBuilder)

2015-11-27 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 27/11/2015 20:18, Mitt Green a écrit : So, what's so wrong with gtk+2? It is lightweight (fairly), doesn't have that unnecessary stuff (animations, transparent scrollbars, "client-side decorations") and has better theme support. Mitt I have personnaly nothing against neither Gtk+* nor

Re: [DNG] lightweight graphics toolkits (was Experiencing with GtkBuilder)

2015-11-27 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 27/11/2015 21:29, Mitt Green a écrit : Please excuse yours truly, I haven't been following the thread. For XForms, I think it's a bit outdated (read *oldschool* and not "eye-candy" if you prefer) like Motif. It's not outdated since it's actively maintained. I agree that it isn't

Re: [DNG] lightweight graphics toolkits (was Experiencing with GtkBuilder)

2015-11-27 Thread Mitt Green
>>> It's not outdated since it's actively maintained. I agree that it >>> isn't eye-candy at all. But I would say it's easier to program than >>> ncurses. It has a loot of widgets. The advantage of ncurses is obviously >>> that it can run without X, therefore on very small systems; I wouldn't