Re: [DNG] [Dng] What do you guys think about "Suggest" and "Recommends" dependency?

2016-08-01 Thread Steve Litt
On Mon, 1 Aug 2016 23:04:25 +0200 Adam Borowski wrote: > On Mon, Aug 01, 2016 at 11:36:23AM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > A case in point is asciidoc. It's used to generate HTML pages and > > books. To do books it recommends other sofftware that takes about > > a

Re: [DNG] [Dng] What do you guys think about "Suggest" and "Recommends" dependency?

2016-08-01 Thread Adam Borowski
On Mon, Aug 01, 2016 at 11:36:23AM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > A case in point is asciidoc. It's used to generate HTML pages and > books. To do books it recommends other sofftware that takes about a > gigabyte on disk. Now the Docbook stuff and the LaTeX stuff are > necessary for producing

Re: [DNG] [Dng] What do you guys think about "Suggest" and "Recommends" dependency?

2016-08-01 Thread Steve Litt
On Mon, 01 Aug 2016 14:48:30 +0100 Rainer Weikusat wrote: > Daniel Reurich writes: > > Why are we dragging up a thread from over a year ago?? > > > > I strongly disagree, installing "Recommends" are IMHO reasonable > > for the common case, and

Re: [DNG] [Dng] What do you guys think about "Suggest" and "Recommends" dependency?

2016-08-01 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Aug 01, 2016 at 07:38:07AM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Mon, Aug 01, 2016 at 01:55:57PM +1200, Daniel Reurich wrote: > > Why are we dragging up a thread from over a year ago?? > > > > I strongly disagree, installing "Recommends" are IMHO reasonable for the > > common case, and that

Re: [DNG] [Dng] What do you guys think about "Suggest" and "Recommends" dependency?

2016-08-01 Thread KatolaZ
On Mon, Aug 01, 2016 at 04:25:35PM +0200, Jaromil wrote: [cut] > > What is feasible to do and comes out of this thread is to nurture the > documentation about this setting and perhaps aim to add an option in > Ascii about deactivating recommends: and suggests: . OTOH, inside > derivatives like

Re: [DNG] [Dng] What do you guys think about "Suggest" and "Recommends" dependency?

2016-08-01 Thread Jaromil
On Mon, 01 Aug 2016, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > Daniel Reurich writes: > > Why are we dragging up a thread from over a year ago?? > > > > I strongly disagree, installing "Recommends" are IMHO reasonable > > for the common case, and that should stay the default except where

Re: [DNG] [Dng] What do you guys think about "Suggest" and "Recommends" dependency?

2016-08-01 Thread hellekin
On 08/01/2016 01:55 AM, Daniel Reurich wrote: > > I think it may be useful to add a question into the installer about this > (probably only in expert mode) rather than blindly change the current > setting. Where we are rebuilding packages we could certainly review and > potentially reclassify

Re: [DNG] [Dng] What do you guys think about "Suggest" and "Recommends" dependency?

2016-07-31 Thread Adam Borowski
On Mon, Aug 01, 2016 at 01:55:57PM +1200, Daniel Reurich wrote: > Why are we dragging up a thread from over a year ago?? > > I strongly disagree, installing "Recommends" are IMHO reasonable for the > common case, and that should stay the default except where the user > wants to maintain a really

Re: [DNG] [Dng] What do you guys think about "Suggest" and "Recommends" dependency?

2016-07-31 Thread Daniel Reurich
Hi Why are we dragging up a thread from over a year ago?? I strongly disagree, installing "Recommends" are IMHO reasonable for the common case, and that should stay the default except where the user wants to maintain a really minimal system, and is prepared to have to install everything not an

Re: [DNG] What do you guys think about "Suggest" and, "Recommends" dependency?

2016-07-31 Thread aitor_czr
Hi Nextime, On 07/31/2016 02:00 PM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: Franco Lanza wrote: >Personally on debian i was using from date > >APT:Install-Recommends "0"; >APT:Install-Suggests "0"; > >in all my install apt.conf. > >I don't like apt

Re: [DNG] [Dng] What do you guys think about "Suggest" and "Recommends" dependency?

2016-07-31 Thread hellekin
On 07/31/2016 02:20 PM, Paweł Cholewiński wrote: > > First law of software quality picture from nixcraft .. > Oh, they even provided a line of examples :) BTW, I thought this suggests/recommends set to false were already agreed upon, so +1 here. (Sorry I didn't take the time to read the whole

Re: [DNG] [Dng] What do you guys think about "Suggest" and "Recommends" dependency?

2016-07-31 Thread Paweł Cholewiński
W dniu 31.07.2016 o 13:47, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI pisze: On Fri, 3 Apr 2015 00:36:22 +0200 Franco Lanza wrote: Personally on debian i was using from date APT:Install-Recommends "0"; APT:Install-Suggests "0"; in all my install apt.conf. I don't like apt downloading and

Re: [DNG] [Dng] What do you guys think about "Suggest" and "Recommends" dependency?

2016-07-31 Thread Ron
On Fri, 3 Apr 2015 00:36:22 +0200 Franco Lanza wrote: > Personally on debian i was using from date > > APT:Install-Recommends "0"; > APT:Install-Suggests "0"; > > in all my install apt.conf. > > I don't like apt downloading and installing things that are not required > but

Re: [Dng] What do you guys think about Suggest and Recommends dependency?

2015-04-06 Thread Roger Leigh
On Thu, Apr 02, 2015 at 07:43:26PM -0500, T.J. Duchene wrote: -Original Message- From: Franco Lanza [mailto:next...@nexlab.it] Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2015 5:36 PM To: dng@lists.dyne.org Subject: [Dng] What do you guys think about Suggest and Recommends dependency

Re: [Dng] What do you guys think about Suggest and Recommends dependency?

2015-04-04 Thread KatolaZ
On Fri, Apr 03, 2015 at 09:40:41PM -1000, Joel Roth wrote: [cut] Note that for a minimal dependencies default, the options to apt-get are not ideal. We have these two options related to the dependency graph. --no-install-recommends Do not consider recommended packages

Re: [Dng] What do you guys think about Suggest and Recommends dependency?

2015-04-04 Thread Joel Roth
On Sat, Apr 04, 2015 at 08:18:29AM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: On Fri, Apr 03, 2015 at 12:36:22AM +0200, Franco Lanza wrote: Personally on debian i was using from date APT:Install-Recommends 0; APT:Install-Suggests 0; in all my install apt.conf. I don't like apt downloading and

Re: [Dng] What do you guys think about Suggest and Recommends dependency?

2015-04-04 Thread KatolaZ
On Fri, Apr 03, 2015 at 12:36:22AM +0200, Franco Lanza wrote: Personally on debian i was using from date APT:Install-Recommends 0; APT:Install-Suggests 0; in all my install apt.conf. I don't like apt downloading and installing things that are not required but just recommended or

Re: [Dng] What do you guys think about Suggest and Recommends dependency?

2015-04-04 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
On Fri 03 April 2015 21:40:41 Joel Roth wrote: On Sat, Apr 04, 2015 at 08:18:29AM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: On Fri, Apr 03, 2015 at 12:36:22AM +0200, Franco Lanza wrote: Personally on debian i was using from date APT:Install-Recommends 0; APT:Install-Suggests 0; in all my

Re: [Dng] What do you guys think about Suggest and Recommends dependency?

2015-04-04 Thread Anto
On 04/04/15 09:40, Joel Roth wrote: Note that for a minimal dependencies default, the options to apt-get are not ideal. We have these two options related to the dependency graph. --no-install-recommends Do not consider recommended packages as a dependency for installing.

Re: [Dng] What do you guys think about Suggest and Recommends dependency?

2015-04-03 Thread Nuno Magalhães
On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 11:36 PM, Franco Lanza next...@nexlab.it wrote: Personally on debian i was using from date APT:Install-Recommends 0; APT:Install-Suggests 0; +1 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [Dng] What do you guys think about Suggest and Recommends dependency?

2015-04-03 Thread Go Linux
On Fri, 4/3/15, Anto arya...@chello.at wrote: Subject: Re: [Dng] What do you guys think about Suggest and Recommends dependency? To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Friday, April 3, 2015, 11:28 AM On 03/04/15 01:53, hellekin wrote: Oh, did I just announce the Devuan forum? You did! And I just

Re: [Dng] What do you guys think about Suggest and Recommends dependency?

2015-04-03 Thread Anto
On 03/04/15 00:36, Franco Lanza wrote: Personally on debian i was using from date APT:Install-Recommends 0; APT:Install-Suggests 0; in all my install apt.conf. I don't like apt downloading and installing things that are not required but just recommended or suggested, expecially in server or

Re: [Dng] What do you guys think about Suggest and Recommends dependency?

2015-04-02 Thread Jude Nelson
I'm all for it. If there are a set of packages that usually get installed together, we can create a metapackage for them. -Jude On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 6:36 PM, Franco Lanza next...@nexlab.it wrote: Personally on debian i was using from date APT:Install-Recommends 0; APT:Install-Suggests 0;

[Dng] What do you guys think about Suggest and Recommends dependency?

2015-04-02 Thread Franco Lanza
Personally on debian i was using from date APT:Install-Recommends 0; APT:Install-Suggests 0; in all my install apt.conf. I don't like apt downloading and installing things that are not required but just recommended or suggested, expecially in server or embedded envs, but also on my desktop.

Re: [Dng] What do you guys think about Suggest and Recommends dependency?

2015-04-02 Thread T.J. Duchene
-Original Message- From: Franco Lanza [mailto:next...@nexlab.it] Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2015 5:36 PM To: dng@lists.dyne.org Subject: [Dng] What do you guys think about Suggest and Recommends dependency? Personally on debian i was using from date APT:Install-Recommends 0

Re: [Dng] What do you guys think about Suggest and Recommends dependency?

2015-04-02 Thread hellekin
On 04/02/2015 07:36 PM, Franco Lanza wrote: Personally on debian i was using from date APT:Install-Recommends 0; APT:Install-Suggests 0; What do you think if we make this the default in devuan? *** +1. I'm all for minimalism in Devuan, and encouraging people to use Blends for extended