Re: [Dng] successfully manually removing systemd and libsystemd0 from debian and still maintaining a working desktop

2015-02-19 Thread karl
Steve Litt: > On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 17:28:58 +0100 (CET) > k...@aspodata.se wrote: > > > At second thought, I'll first try to factor out udev completely -- or > > rather -- make the system to be *dev agnostic. > > Karl, please document your experiment so that some of us can follow in > your footste

Re: [Dng] successfully manually removing systemd and libsystemd0 from debian and still maintaining a working desktop

2015-02-19 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 17:28:58 +0100 (CET) k...@aspodata.se wrote: > At second thought, I'll first try to factor out udev completely -- or > rather -- make the system to be *dev agnostic. Karl, please document your experiment so that some of us can follow in your footsteps. A "no udev" box isn't p

Re: [Dng] successfully manually removing systemd and libsystemd0 from debian and still maintaining a working desktop

2015-02-19 Thread karl
Isaac Dunham (Mon, 16 Feb 2015 07:06:59): > On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 08:44:22PM +, Luke Leighton wrote: ... > Thanks to your write-up, I've gotten Xorg working sans udev > (actually, simulated via overmounting with tmpfs and running mdev). > FYI, *this* was why I included "devinfo" in libsysdev:

Re: [Dng] successfully manually removing systemd and libsystemd0 from debian and still maintaining a working desktop

2015-02-19 Thread karl
Dragan FOSS: > > Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 16:27:55 + > > From: Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton > > To: dng@lists.dyne.org > > Subject: [Dng] successfully manually removing systemd and libsystemd0 > > from debian and still maintaining a working desktop > > M

Re: [Dng] successfully manually removing systemd and libsystemd0 from debian and still maintaining a working desktop

2015-02-19 Thread karl
Luke Leighton: > karl please refresh and double-check the update for pulseaudio, I don't need pulseaudio, sorry. Regards, /Karl Hammar --- Aspö Data Lilla Aspö 148 S-742 94 Östhammar Sweden +46 173 140 57 _

Re: [Dng] successfully manually removing systemd and libsystemd0 from debian and still maintaining a working desktop

2015-02-19 Thread karl
Luke Leighton : > aspodata.se> writes: > > Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton lkcl.net>: > > > http://lkcl.net/reports/removing_systemd_from_debian/ > > > > I'll try that. > > awesome. if you'd like to keep in touch (through this list > if that's ok with the dng team?) i can perhaps advise if you

Re: [Dng] successfully manually removing systemd and libsystemd0 from debian and still maintaining a working desktop

2015-02-16 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 7:06 AM, Isaac Dunham wrote: > Thanks to your write-up, I've gotten Xorg working sans udev > (actually, simulated via overmounting with tmpfs and running mdev). > FYI, *this* was why I included "devinfo" in libsysdev: > for d in /dev/input/*; do DEV="`devinfo $d`"; [ -e "$

Re: [Dng] successfully manually removing systemd and libsystemd0 from debian and still maintaining a working desktop

2015-02-16 Thread Jaromil
On 15 February 2015 17:49:54 GMT+00:00, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: >http://slashdot.org/submission/4203115/removing-libsystemd0-from-a-live-running-debian-system > >if anyone would like to help get the word out, as a way to actively >engage more developers and end-users to give them th

Re: [Dng] successfully manually removing systemd and libsystemd0 from debian and still maintaining a working desktop

2015-02-15 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 08:44:22PM +, Luke Leighton wrote: > Gravis adaptivetime.com> writes: > > > > > > * returning to manual keyboard and mouse configuration in Xorg > > > > where did it move to before? > > i never removed the manual keyboard and mouse configuration > options that i

Re: [Dng] successfully manually removing systemd and libsystemd0 from debian and still maintaining a working desktop

2015-02-15 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 11:52 PM, Isaac Dunham wrote: > On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 11:28:38PM +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: >> > And I've rebuilt >> > util-linux and removed libsystemd0 already. >> >> ohh, you are so lucky! can i add you to the list of successes? > > Sure, if you want

Re: [Dng] successfully manually removing systemd and libsystemd0 from debian and still maintaining a working desktop

2015-02-15 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 11:28:38PM +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 11:07 PM, Isaac Dunham wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 05:49:54PM +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton > > wrote: > >> http://slashdot.org/submission/4203115/removing-libsystemd0-from-a-live-

Re: [Dng] successfully manually removing systemd and libsystemd0 from debian and still maintaining a working desktop

2015-02-15 Thread Luke Leighton
Dragan FOSS gmx.com> writes: > > > > i would be most grateful therefore if you could make it much more > > convenient for me to be able to do this, whilst still keeping all the > > debian, TDE and deb-multimedia repositories in /etc/apt/sources.list > > that i have today, by keeping the devuan p

Re: [Dng] successfully manually removing systemd and libsystemd0 from debian and still maintaining a working desktop

2015-02-15 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 11:07 PM, Isaac Dunham wrote: > On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 05:49:54PM +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: >> http://slashdot.org/submission/4203115/removing-libsystemd0-from-a-live-running-debian-system >> >> if anyone would like to help get the word out, as a way to ac

Re: [Dng] successfully manually removing systemd and libsystemd0 from debian and still maintaining a working desktop

2015-02-15 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 05:49:54PM +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > http://slashdot.org/submission/4203115/removing-libsystemd0-from-a-live-running-debian-system > > if anyone would like to help get the word out, as a way to actively > engage more developers and end-users to give them

Re: [Dng] successfully manually removing systemd and libsystemd0 from debian and still maintaining a working desktop

2015-02-15 Thread Neo Futur
> http://slashdot.org/submission/4203115/removing-libsystemd0-from-a-live-running-debian-system > > if anyone would like to help get the word out, as a way to actively > engage more developers and end-users to give them their right to > choose what software to run, please do consider hitting the "+

Re: [Dng] successfully manually removing systemd and libsystemd0 from debian and still maintaining a working desktop

2015-02-15 Thread Dragan FOSS
> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 16:27:55 + > From: Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton > To: dng@lists.dyne.org > Subject: [Dng] successfully manually removing systemd and libsystemd0 > from debian and still maintaining a working desktop > Message-ID: > > Content-Type:

Re: [Dng] successfully manually removing systemd and libsystemd0 from debian and still maintaining a working desktop

2015-02-15 Thread Luke Leighton
Gravis adaptivetime.com> writes: > > > * returning to manual keyboard and mouse configuration in Xorg > > where did it move to before? i never removed the manual keyboard and mouse configuration options that i had installed years back. however as xorg has grown more features, one of them

Re: [Dng] successfully manually removing systemd and libsystemd0 from debian and still maintaining a working desktop

2015-02-15 Thread Luke Leighton
karl please refresh and double-check the update for pulseaudio, i spotted that two mentions of libsystemd dev packages are still in the pulseaudio debian/control file. having removed those (locally) and reinstalled the resultant packages, i've just been able to successfully remove libsystemd0:amd6

Re: [Dng] successfully manually removing systemd and libsystemd0 from debian and still maintaining a working desktop

2015-02-15 Thread Gravis
> * returning to manual keyboard and mouse configuration in Xorg where did it move to before? xorg.conf is something that should never go away. --Gravis On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 2:32 PM, Luke Leighton wrote: > aspodata.se> writes: > >> >> Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton lkcl.net>: >> > http://l

Re: [Dng] successfully manually removing systemd and libsystemd0 from debian and still maintaining a working desktop

2015-02-15 Thread Luke Leighton
aspodata.se> writes: > > Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton lkcl.net>: > > http://lkcl.net/reports/removing_systemd_from_debian/ > > I'll try that. awesome. if you'd like to keep in touch (through this list if that's ok with the dng team?) i can perhaps advise if you get stuck. it would be in

Re: [Dng] successfully manually removing systemd and libsystemd0 from debian and still maintaining a working desktop

2015-02-15 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
http://slashdot.org/submission/4203115/removing-libsystemd0-from-a-live-running-debian-system if anyone would like to help get the word out, as a way to actively engage more developers and end-users to give them their right to choose what software to run, please do consider hitting the "+" button

Re: [Dng] successfully manually removing systemd and libsystemd0 from debian and still maintaining a working desktop

2015-02-15 Thread karl
Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton : > http://lkcl.net/reports/removing_systemd_from_debian/ I'll try that. ... > the desktop that i run is *not* a normal one, by any means. i run > fvwm2 with a 6x4 virtual desktop, which is started up with "startx &" > - there is no display manager and i do not want

[Dng] successfully manually removing systemd and libsystemd0 from debian and still maintaining a working desktop

2015-02-15 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
http://lkcl.net/reports/removing_systemd_from_debian/ if you recall, yesterday i mentioned that i do not take risks with my business-critical laptop... except by about 5am i had completed most of the process of doing precisely that. the desktop that i run is *not* a normal one, by any means. i r