Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Runit without SysVinit packages

2018-10-13 Thread Steve Litt
On Sat, 13 Oct 2018 10:31:33 -0400 Hendrik Boom wrote: > It would be pleasant to quiet those who chant "Nyaa Nyaa Devuan isn't > really about choice", but it's not worth the price we'd have to pay. Most anti-Devuan people are brainless, so if we were to (crazily) incorporate some systemd in

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Runit without SysVinit packages

2018-10-13 Thread Alessandro Selli
On 13/10/18 at 16:31, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Sat, Oct 13, 2018 at 09:55:46AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: >> On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 09:44:14 -0400 >> Hendrik Boom wrote: >> >> >>> And while we're at it, we want not to support systemd. >>> But living with inert systemd scripts is at least tolerable. >>

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Runit without SysVinit packages

2018-10-13 Thread Jimmy Johnson
On 10/12/2018 01:56 AM, KatolaZ wrote: On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 11:55:29PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 03:24:44 + alecfeld...@disroot.org wrote: 1. Split the runit package into separate packages with alternate stage files. 2. Provide a configuration file for how runit

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Runit without SysVinit packages

2018-10-13 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sat, Oct 13, 2018 at 09:55:46AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 09:44:14 -0400 > Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > > And while we're at it, we want not to support systemd. > > But living with inert systemd scripts is at least tolerable. > > Huh? U mean systemd unit files? yes. > >

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Runit without SysVinit packages

2018-10-13 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 09:44:14 -0400 Hendrik Boom wrote: > And while we're at it, we want not to support systemd. > But living with inert systemd scripts is at least tolerable. Huh? U mean systemd unit files? > Ideally there should be some systematic solution for all of this, > leaving the

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Runit without SysVinit packages

2018-10-13 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 10:56:26 +0200 KatolaZ wrote: > On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 11:55:29PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > On a related note, I think the best way of acquiring runit run > > files is to install Void Linux on a VM, install all the various > > daemons, and then view the run files in

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Runit without SysVinit packages

2018-10-13 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 23:23:38 -0700 Rick Moen wrote: > Part > of the point I wanted to make, here (bearing in mind that I'm > speaking only my own view), is that Devuan needs to be mindful of > priorities and has necessarily limited volunteer effort. For better > or worse, _if_ I understand

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Runit without SysVinit packages

2018-10-12 Thread Alessandro Selli
On 12/10/18 at 15:44, Hendrik Boom wrote: > living with inert systemd scripts   Uh?  What scripts?  What systemd scripts (i.e. executable, interpreted text files) do Devuan packages install? Alessandro -- Alessandro Selli VOIP SIP: dhatarat...@ekiga.net Chiave firma e cifratura PGP/GPG

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Runit without SysVinit packages

2018-10-12 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 10:56:26AM +0200, KatolaZ wrote: > On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 11:55:29PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 03:24:44 + > > alecfeld...@disroot.org wrote: > > > > > > > 1. Split the runit package into separate packages with alternate > > > stage files. > > >

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Runit without SysVinit packages

2018-10-12 Thread KatolaZ
On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 11:55:29PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 03:24:44 + > alecfeld...@disroot.org wrote: > > > > 1. Split the runit package into separate packages with alternate > > stage files. > > > > 2. Provide a configuration file for how runit should act. For > >

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Runit without SysVinit packages

2018-10-12 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting alecfeld...@disroot.org (alecfeld...@disroot.org): > First of all, I want to thank the developers for the efforts to > continue debian without "systemd creep". I've experimented with the > distribution on and off, but there's one big turnoff for me currently > that I don't think would

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Runit without SysVinit packages

2018-10-11 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 03:24:44 + alecfeld...@disroot.org wrote: > 1. Split the runit package into separate packages with alternate > stage files. > > 2. Provide a configuration file for how runit should act. For > instance, if openrc or sysvinit is installed, runit can depend > on /etc/init.d