Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 20:39:51 -0700, Rick wrote in message <20180621033951.gg32...@linuxmafia.com>: > Quoting Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI (ren...@olgiati-in-paraguay.org): > > > On Mon, 28 Aug 2017 22:16:10 +0200 > > "J. Fahrner" wrote: > > > > > Bunsenlab has also a GUI program for adjusting fonts

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

Am 2018-06-21 02:40, schrieb Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI: On Mon, 28 Aug 2017 22:16:10 +0200 "J. Fahrner" wrote: Bunsenlab has also a GUI program for adjusting fonts for Gtk. Where can one find it ? It's lxappearance ___ Dng mailing list

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

On Mon, 28 Aug 2017 22:16:10 +0200 "J. Fahrner" wrote: > Bunsenlab has also a GUI program for adjusting fonts for Gtk. Where can one find it ? Cheers, Ron. -- Gli nomini si debbano o vezzeggiate o peguere; perche' si vendiciano delle leggieri offese,

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

On Mon, 28 Aug 2017 15:53:56 -0400 Steve Litt wrote: > Bear in mind that with a Window Manager, you can only adjust fonts for > the windows, not the applications in side the windows. Those > applications are adjustable via the adjuster program for their library: > Qt

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

Am 2017-08-28 21:53, schrieb Steve Litt: Bear in mind that with a Window Manager, you can only adjust fonts for the windows, not the applications in side the windows. Those applications are adjustable via the adjuster program for their library: Qt or Gtk. So you have to run the adjuster program

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

On Mon, 28 Aug 2017 18:37:00 +0200 "J. Fahrner" wrote: > Am 2017-08-28 18:26, schrieb Edward Bartolo: > > XFCE 4 gives me font type/size configurability. Window Managers do > > not give me that functionality expecting me to spend hours upon > > hours ruining my eyes groping in

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

Am 2017-08-28 18:26, schrieb Edward Bartolo: XFCE 4 gives me font type/size configurability. Window Managers do not give me that functionality expecting me to spend hours upon hours ruining my eyes groping in configuration files for the relevant settings. Sure they do! Try Bunsenlabs Linux

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 18:16:07 +1000 Erik Christiansen wrote: [snip] > > That's good news. If LXQt were merely LXDE with a different grahics > base, that'd be great. We'll see what the Razor-qt has brought with > it. I tried LXQt for awhile. It's good enough, IMHO. I'll

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

In www.devuan.org I don't find a link to write wiki pages with procedures (eg. wiki.devuan.org/Enlightment ) El 17/08/17 a les 10:27, Eric ha escrit: > On 08/14/2017 11:45 PM, Erik Christiansen wrote: >> Finding Devuan, and subscribing last night, I'm keen to replace my >> Debian 9.0

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

On Thu, 17 Aug 2017 at 10:05:55 -0400 Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 02:17:03AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > > Every time one uses the word "cgroups" he's subtly arguing for > > systemd. Every time one uses the word "DE" he's subtly arguing for > >

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

On 17/08/17 09:16, Harald Arnesen wrote: Rick Moen [2017-08-17 00:55]: So, here's a point: If you have a Linux system with Thunar (graphical file manager) and the xfwm4 window manager, I'm betting that those _are_ 99% of what you think of as 'XFCE4'. Not quite. I'm betting that you don't

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 10:05:55AM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 02:17:03AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > > Every time one uses the word "cgroups" he's subtly arguing for > > systemd. Every time one uses the word "DE" he's subtly arguing for > > complex, and usually bloated,

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

Android apps run in one process each, and anything in the background may be killed at any moment. If you are in the background and the foreground app needs memory, you just die. If the system invokes you, you do not get another process, you get another thread in your existing process. Thus,

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 02:17:03AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > Every time one uses the word "cgroups" he's subtly arguing for > systemd. Every time one uses the word "DE" he's subtly arguing for > complex, and usually bloated, GOSFUIs. Just wondering. Does Android use cgroups in its attampt to

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

Quoting Rowland Penny (rpe...@samba.org): > Probably because you don't want to see it, your tone seemed to say > 'Butt out Steve' That's indeed approximately what I said to my friend Steve, albeit quite a bit more politely than you're paraphrasing it. But the point is that this is very much

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

On Thu, 17 Aug 2017 04:15:58 -0700 Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Rowland Penny (rpe...@samba.org): > > > Certainly: > > > > [quote] > > Steve, please stop helping. As you often do, you are just adding > > noise. [/quote] > > I remain unclear on how politely asking my friend

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

Quoting Rowland Penny (rpe...@samba.org): > Certainly: > > [quote] > Steve, please stop helping. As you often do, you are just adding noise. > [/quote] I remain unclear on how politely asking my friend to stop 'helping' in this case prevents him from ignoring my request, if he prefers to

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

On Thu, 17 Aug 2017 04:01:50 -0700 Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Rowland Penny (rpe...@samba.org): > > > Rick, Steve has just as much a right to a point of view as you do. > > In fact, you both seem to be saying the same thing, just in > > different ways. > > I'm missing the

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

Quoting Rowland Penny (rpe...@samba.org): > Rick, Steve has just as much a right to a point of view as you do. In > fact, you both seem to be saying the same thing, just in different ways. I'm missing the part where I decreed to my friend Steve he has no right to butt into a conversation I've

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

On Thu, 17 Aug 2017 03:32:31 -0700 Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > > > That wouldn't be true of me. Back when I was an Xfce user, I defined > > Xfce as: > > > > * Able to use multiple panels > > * Able to config the panels via right

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

Quoting Harald Arnesen (har...@skogtun.org): > Rick Moen [2017-08-17 00:55]: > > > So, here's a point: If you have a Linux system with Thunar (graphical > > file manager) and the xfwm4 window manager, I'm betting that those _are_ > > 99% of what you think of as 'XFCE4'. > > Not quite. And

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > That wouldn't be true of me. Back when I was an Xfce user, I defined > Xfce as: > > * Able to use multiple panels > * Able to config the panels via right click > * Kinda twitchy during config on Linux, but rock solid on OpenBSD I note without

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > Rick, look in the mirror: You caused this. Every time you use words like > "Desktop Environment", "Desktop", and "DE" you make them sound special > (and geez, I have to investigate whether I need one), when in reality > they're all GOSFUIs. Some

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

On 17.08.17 01:27, Eric wrote: > I was able to install enlightenment desktop from > > https://www.enlightenment.org > > I followed along with the directions on their download page and also from > the site: > > https://www.tecmint.com/install-enlightenment-on-devuan-linux/ > > > It works with

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

Rick Moen [2017-08-17 00:55]: > So, here's a point: If you have a Linux system with Thunar (graphical > file manager) and the xfwm4 window manager, I'm betting that those _are_ > 99% of what you think of as 'XFCE4'. Not quite. > I'm betting that you don't actually have a specific desire and

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 15:55:30 -0700 Rick Moen wrote: > So, here's a point: If you have a Linux system with Thunar (graphical > file manager) and the xfwm4 window manager, I'm betting that those > _are_ 99% of what you think of as 'XFCE4'. That wouldn't be true of me.

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 10:34:10 -0700 Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Simon Hobson (li...@thehobsons.co.uk): > > [snip much] > > > And like it or not, for this very large group of people, the > > "desktop" needs to be familiar enough (ie look and work like > > Windows) for them to

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

Quoting Harald Arnesen (har...@skogtun.org): > From a not quite novice: > > I started with Slackware in 1993, have used Linux more or less > exclusively (for my private work) since then. In the beginning with > FVWM2, later with IceWM, now with XFCE4, which increased productivity a > lot for me.

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

Rick Moen [2017-08-16 19:34]: > The part you didn't address is where a DE is even helpful for this. > It's not. > > You've argued for a novice-friendly assemblage of good grapical > applications (in such use-cases), not for a DE. > > In any event, your concern appears irrelevant to the

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

Quoting Simon Hobson (li...@thehobsons.co.uk): [snip much] > And like it or not, for this very large group of people, the "desktop" > needs to be familiar enough (ie look and work like Windows) for them > to be able to carry on with their trial and error prodding to get > things done. The part

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

Rick Moen wrote: > Honestly, who the Gehenna needs a Desktop Environment? Because it > bundles a graphical file shell? If you want one of those, install > whichever one you like best on an a la carte basis. The whole DE > concept lacks a compelling justification, IMO.

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

Quoting Erik Christiansen (dva...@internode.on.net): > I might just settle for the default XFCE for a while, after all: Life is > the art of the possible. LXQt on ascii will be worth a try when it's > out, though. Honestly, who the Gehenna needs a Desktop Environment? Because it bundles a

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

Multiple replies here, to minimise list traffic: On 15.08.17 13:18, Steve Litt wrote: > On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 16:45:05 +1000 > Sporting a similar user interace, but with increased stability, > parsamonious use of resources, and absolutely no allegience to systemd > is LXDE. For the past 4 years the

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

Thanks for the link. Might check it out when I can find some spare hardware lying around. > Sorry, i didn't attach the link: > > http://gnuinos.org/Gnuinos%20Ascii%20Beta/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

On 08/15/2017 11:07 PM, aitor wrote: Hi Tom, On 08/15/2017 07:18 PM, Tom Cassidy wrote: There's no release for ascii yet. You'll just have to dist-upgrade from jessie if you want to try it. I've been running ascii + experimental/eudev on my work desktop and laptop

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

Hi Tom, On 08/15/2017 07:18 PM, Tom Cassidy wrote: There's no release for ascii yet. You'll just have to dist-upgrade from jessie if you want to try it. I've been running ascii + experimental/eudev on my work desktop and laptop for a few months without trouble. --

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 16:45:05 +1000, Erik wrote in message <20170815064505.GA3443@ratatosk>: > Finding Devuan, and subscribing last night, I'm keen to replace my > Debian 9.0 "Systemdix"¹, even at the cost of reverting to older > packages. But I don't much like Gnome either, and have become

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 16:45:05 +1000 Erik Christiansen wrote: > Finding Devuan, and subscribing last night, I'm keen to replace my > Debian 9.0 "Systemdix"¹, even at the cost of reverting to older > packages. But I don't much like Gnome either, and have become quite >

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

There's no release for ascii yet. You'll just have to dist-upgrade from jessie if you want to try it. I've been running ascii + experimental/eudev on my work desktop and laptop for a few months without trouble. -- Tomas > I might just settle for the default XFCE for a while, after all: Life

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

On 15.08.17 20:03, Tom Cassidy wrote: > Have you thought about LXQt? Upstream LXDE stopped development a while > back and merged with Razor-qt into the new project running on Qt > instead of GTK. Oh, dear world, please slow down. I can't keep up. > Unfortunately it's only in repositories for

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

Have you thought about LXQt? Upstream LXDE stopped development a while back and merged with Razor-qt into the new project running on Qt instead of GTK. Unfortunately it's only in repositories for ascii and later, so not available on jessie. -- Tomas > I've downloaded the CD iso, and will try

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

On 15.08.17 08:54, KatolaZ wrote: > Hi Erik, > > you are welcome to ask technical questions on this ML. There is no > stated prefrerence for the forum anywhere. ... Many thanks, KatolaZ, for the clarification. It seems that Devuan is a welcoming community, not averse to new members, after all.

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My office desktop runs KDE on Devuan, without any problems. Arnt ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

Den 2017-08-15 kl. 08:45, skrev Erik Christiansen: Finding Devuan, and subscribing last night, I'm keen to replace my Debian 9.0 "Systemdix"¹, even at the cost of reverting to older packages. But I don't much like Gnome either, and have become quite used to LXDE - especially the boot speed of

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 05:32:04PM +1000, Erik Christiansen wrote: [cut] > > Ah, that is very disappointing. After more than 30 years of using *nix, > I have not transitioned to the use of fora. The login necessity offends > nearly as much as systemd, but I find that several years go by between

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 09:13:21AM +0200, Edward Bartolo wrote: [cut] > > P.S. > For questions like these users are encouraged to use the forum: > dev1galaxy.org > Uh? Since when are people encouraged to do so? This ML is a technical and social one. People are free to ask technical questions

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

On 15.08.17 09:13, Edward Bartolo wrote: > As far as I can tell the default is XFCE. However, Linux is not MS > Windows meaning you can start off from a base system with just a > terminal. Then, you can install whatever graphical interface you want. > Keep in mind some desktop might be unavailable

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

As far as I can tell the default is XFCE. However, Linux is not MS Windows meaning you can start off from a base system with just a terminal. Then, you can install whatever graphical interface you want. Keep in mind some desktop might be unavailable as disentagling them from systemd/libsystemd et