Re: [Dng] About Devuan's audience

2015-02-19 Thread Steve Litt
On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 20:26:06 + Nuno Magalhães nunomagalh...@eu.ipp.pt wrote: I'm here because i want choice and i like stuff to be modular and open, not closed and monolithic (unless we're talking about Clarke's 2001). Nuno, You've just almost completely described my intentions in one

Re: [Dng] About Devuan's audience

2015-02-18 Thread Nuno Magalhães
Didn't know this thread was poll-ish. I use/administer/whatever 100 machines at the moment: 11 run linux, the other 1 (my laptop) runs windows while still in warranty (and because in a realistic world i have to deal with Microsoft Office, although i've heard its 2003 version runs well in WINE).

Re: [Dng] About Devuan's audience

2015-02-17 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 17/02/2015 01:23, Isaac Dunham a écrit : But shell scripts can be written well, and writing a shell script to solve a problem beats writing a custom config to handle how one tool does it, and then not being able to apply that to another platform... or an older version of the same distro.

Re: [Dng] About Devuan's audience

2015-02-16 Thread Gravis
You dont have to be a server admin to be concerned about security. I'm a desktop user/developer and while customization is nice, security is paramount. Revelations about the NSA has really made me reconsider system security for my box and linux in general. Obviously, systemd has a fundamental

Re: [Dng] About Devuan's audience

2015-02-16 Thread Didier Kryn
    Gravis,     Should we understand it's based on POSIX permissions and not on ad hoc daemon? I'll keep breezing, but a little faster :-)     Didier Le 16/02/2015 16:55, Gravis a écrit : You dont have to be a server admin to be concerned

Re: [Dng] About Devuan's audience

2015-02-16 Thread Didier Kryn
    Hi Steve and Vince.     I agree with you that the desktop must stay as slim as possible, which means not installing the stuff you don't ask for. However I seem to still need more than you. Let's start a list of guis:     Xterm, Synaptic, spread-shit,

Re: [Dng] About Devuan's audience

2015-02-16 Thread william moss
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 02/16/2015 11:23 AM, Steve Litt wrote: On Mon, 16 Feb 2015 14:44:04 +0100 Didier Kryn k...@in2p3.fr wrote: Hi folks. Considering Devuan is a major lifeboat of free Linux-based OS, I'm anxious about its destiny and therefore trying to

Re: [Dng] About Devuan's audience

2015-02-16 Thread Steve Litt
On Mon, 16 Feb 2015 14:44:04 +0100 Didier Kryn k...@in2p3.fr wrote: Hi folks. Considering Devuan is a major lifeboat of free Linux-based OS, I'm anxious about its destiny and therefore trying to figure out who is onboard, I mean the audience. 1) It is clear, by reading

Re: [Dng] About Devuan's audience

2015-02-16 Thread Vince Mulhollon
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 7:44 AM, Didier Kryn k...@in2p3.fr wrote: It is perfectly arguable that people involved in servers' deployment do not want to dedicate time to tweaking a Linux-based desktop. The root cause of a lot of the trouble has come from people rationalizing bad decisions,

Re: [Dng] About Devuan's audience

2015-02-16 Thread Gravis
Should we understand it's based on POSIX permissions and not on ad hoc daemon? yes. however, there is currently a problem with flooding the system with hundreds of new users and groups. i'm investigating the possibility of using extended file attributes. --Gravis On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at

Re: [Dng] About Devuan's audience

2015-02-16 Thread Rob Owens
- Original Message - From: Didier Kryn k...@in2p3.fr Considering Devuan is a major lifeboat of free Linux-based OS, I'm anxious about its destiny and therefore trying to figure out who is onboard, I mean the audience. For me, the line between desktop and server is very blurred.

Re: [Dng] About Devuan's audience

2015-02-16 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 06:22:00PM +, Alberto Zuin - Liste wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 IMHO, an user who wants a very complete easy/ready to use desktop probably will go to Mac OS or to a distro specialized to be a desktop (Ubuntu, Mint, Fedora, etc.). I'd like

Re: [Dng] About Devuan's audience

2015-02-16 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 02:44:04PM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote: 1) It is clear, by reading this list that part of us are mostly concerned with servers. 2) I also read that there are people who want to truely own their desktop. Some call them sentimentalists, but they are the people

Re: [Dng] About Devuan's audience

2015-02-16 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 06:41:06PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: On Mon, 16 Feb 2015 10:36:19 -0600 Vince Mulhollon vi...@mulhollon.com wrote: There shouldn't be any tweaking for a desktop. This whole bad idea comes from marketing at Microsoft Whoaaa, wait a minute. Another word for

Re: [Dng] About Devuan's audience

2015-02-16 Thread Steve Litt
On Mon, 16 Feb 2015 10:36:19 -0600 Vince Mulhollon vi...@mulhollon.com wrote: There shouldn't be any tweaking for a desktop. This whole bad idea comes from marketing at Microsoft Whoaaa, wait a minute. Another word for tweaking is choice, kind of like the reason we revolted and overthrew

Re: [Dng] About Devuan's audience

2015-02-16 Thread Peter Olson
On February 16, 2015 at 10:55 AM Gravis rin...@adaptivetime.com wrote: You dont have to be a server admin to be concerned about security. I'm a desktop user/developer and while customization is nice, security is paramount. Revelations about the NSA has really made me reconsider system