You dont have to be a server admin to be concerned about security. I'm a
desktop user/developer and while customization is nice, security is
paramount.
Revelations about the NSA has really made me reconsider system security for
my box and linux in general. Obviously, systemd has a fundamental
Gravis,
Should we understand it's based on POSIX permissions and not on
ad hoc daemon? I'll keep breezing, but a little faster :-)
Didier
Le 16/02/2015 16:55, Gravis a écrit :
You dont have to be a server admin to be concerned
Hi Steve and Vince.
I agree with you that the desktop must stay as slim as possible,
which means not installing the stuff you don't ask for. However I
seem to still need more than you. Let's start a list of guis:
Xterm, Synaptic, spread-shit,
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On 02/16/2015 11:23 AM, Steve Litt wrote:
On Mon, 16 Feb 2015 14:44:04 +0100 Didier Kryn k...@in2p3.fr
wrote:
Hi folks.
Considering Devuan is a major lifeboat of free Linux-based OS,
I'm anxious about its destiny and therefore trying to
On Mon, 16 Feb 2015 14:44:04 +0100
Didier Kryn k...@in2p3.fr wrote:
Hi folks.
Considering Devuan is a major lifeboat of free Linux-based OS,
I'm anxious about its destiny and therefore trying to figure out who
is onboard, I mean the audience.
1) It is clear, by reading
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 7:44 AM, Didier Kryn k...@in2p3.fr wrote:
It is perfectly arguable that people involved in servers' deployment
do not want to dedicate time to tweaking a Linux-based desktop.
The root cause of a lot of the trouble has come from people rationalizing
bad decisions,
Should we understand it's based on POSIX permissions and not on ad hoc
daemon?
yes. however, there is currently a problem with flooding the system with
hundreds of new users and groups. i'm investigating the possibility of
using extended file attributes.
--Gravis
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at
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From: Didier Kryn k...@in2p3.fr
Considering Devuan is a major lifeboat of free Linux-based OS, I'm
anxious about its destiny and therefore trying to figure out who is
onboard, I mean the audience.
For me, the line between desktop and server is very blurred.
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 06:22:00PM +, Alberto Zuin - Liste wrote:
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IMHO, an user who wants a very complete easy/ready to use desktop
probably will go to Mac OS or to a distro specialized to be a desktop
(Ubuntu, Mint, Fedora, etc.).
I'd like
hellekin hellekin at dyne.org writes:
The version you wrote, that I reported as Issue #8, wants to tell a
different story than what has been told so far. The project description
clearly states that:
+ *removing mandatory dependencies on systemd* is the primary goal
+ in order to reach
On Mon, 16 Feb 2015 19:41:52 +0100
Svante Signell svante.sign...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, 2015-02-15 at 02:52 +, KatolaZ wrote:
Hi guys,
a few simple steps to have Devuan-pre-alpha-valentine installed and
running on qemu:
0)# wget
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 02:44:04PM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote:
1) It is clear, by reading this list that part of us are mostly
concerned with servers.
2) I also read that there are people who want to truely own their
desktop. Some call them sentimentalists, but they are the people
On February 15, 2015 at 2:39 PM Hendrik Boom hend...@topoi.pooq.com wrote:
On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 12:50:53PM -0500, Jude Nelson wrote:
IVI == In-Vehicle Infotainment. The stuff that runs your new car's UI.
[stuff omitted]
No one pushing this seems to be really concerned with the security,
* On 2015 16 Feb 12:40 -0600, Svante Signell wrote:
Hi, it is a little slow without hardware acceleration: -enable-kvm is
the solution here if you have recent Intel/AMD CPUs.
Thanks for the tip. I had installed the package but was ignorant of its
use (yes, I need to RTFM more often ;-). It
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:01:36PM +, Luke Leighton wrote:
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what you *don't* want to happen is to fall into exactly the same trap
of forcing people into all-or-nothing decisions. we've had enough of
that, and it would be respectful to them to give them a proper choice,
and to
KatolaZ katolaz at freaknet.org writes:
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:01:36PM +, Luke Leighton wrote:
[cut]
what you *don't* want to happen is to fall into exactly the same trap
of forcing people into all-or-nothing decisions. we've had enough of
that, and it would be
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:31:39PM +, Luke Leighton wrote:
Again, this will probably be
almost natural for the first release, since Devuan developers are
focusing on making the fewest necessary changes, but I am convinced
that it will soon become unpractical if not impossible, at
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 06:41:06PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
On Mon, 16 Feb 2015 10:36:19 -0600
Vince Mulhollon vi...@mulhollon.com wrote:
There shouldn't be any tweaking for a desktop. This whole bad idea
comes from marketing at Microsoft
Whoaaa, wait a minute. Another word for
On Mon, 16 Feb 2015 10:36:19 -0600
Vince Mulhollon vi...@mulhollon.com wrote:
There shouldn't be any tweaking for a desktop. This whole bad idea
comes from marketing at Microsoft
Whoaaa, wait a minute. Another word for tweaking is choice, kind of
like the reason we revolted and overthrew
On February 16, 2015 at 10:55 AM Gravis rin...@adaptivetime.com wrote:
You dont have to be a server admin to be concerned about security. I'm a
desktop user/developer and while customization is nice, security is
paramount.
Revelations about the NSA has really made me reconsider system
On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 10:30:32AM +, Jaromil wrote:
While I look forward to vdev's development, I think we should change as
little as possible here, despite the fact we will keep some systemd code
around for a little longer (but no systemd daemon running anyway).
Oh, I was not suggesting
On Sat, 2015-02-14 at 21:36 +, Jaromil wrote:
re all,
Here is a pre-alpha sneak preview of Devuan at the current state of
affairs. It is my valentine to Franco: despite we probably never met in
person, I love him. He is really dedicated to this project and putting
hard work in it. I
On February 16, 2015 at 5:19 PM Nuno Magalhães nunomagalh...@eu.ipp.pt
wrote:
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 10:24 AM, Jaromil jaro...@dyne.org wrote:
dear Nuno,
On Sun, 15 Feb 2015, Nuno Magalhães wrote:
Assuming i don't get moderated out (unlike the resident troll),
the reason why
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 8:13 PM, Nate Bargmann n...@n0nb.us wrote:
* On 2015 16 Feb 12:40 -0600, Svante Signell wrote:
Hi, it is a little slow without hardware acceleration: -enable-kvm is
the solution here if you have recent Intel/AMD CPUs.
Thanks for the tip. I had installed the
On February 16, 2015 at 8:25 PM Hendrik Boom hend...@topoi.pooq.com wrote:
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 07:34:57PM -0500, Peter Olson wrote:
“Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it.”
― Edmund Burke
Peter Olson
I think the original quote was by Santayana:
George
Assuming i don't get moderated out (unlike the resident troll),
On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 9:59 PM, Luke Leighton l...@lkcl.net wrote:
1) your debian system will not be screwed up or compromised by using
devuan. you will also not lose any functionality or packages.
2) we understand the
On 15 February 2015 17:49:54 GMT+00:00, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
l...@lkcl.net wrote:
http://slashdot.org/submission/4203115/removing-libsystemd0-from-a-live-running-debian-system
if anyone would like to help get the word out, as a way to actively
engage more developers and end-users to
dear Nuno,
On Sun, 15 Feb 2015, Nuno Magalhães wrote:
Assuming i don't get moderated out (unlike the resident troll),
the reason why your emails are arriving delayed is due to your email
configuration: your Sender header address may not be the same address
you subscribed, or so. sorry I
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