Re: [Dng] Dng Digest, Vol 6, Issue 75

2015-03-22 Thread Nuno Magalhães
On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 7:24 AM, T.J. Duchene t.j.duch...@gmail.com wrote: What I said was at some point Devuan will probably have to support systemd's API, in order to support upstream projects that actually require systemd. Why? Biggest example: GNOME (now) requires systemd. I don't want

Re: [Dng] rumors on RMS about systemd at libreplanet

2015-03-22 Thread devuan . kn
On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 2:40 AM, Jude Nelson - jud...@gmail.com devuan.kn.ae5676beef.judecn#gmail@ob.0sg.net wrote: The only way not to be forcing anybody is to stick with the least common denominator for everything. That flat out stops progress. This is simply not true. A key hallmark of

Re: [Dng] Dng Digest, Vol 6, Issue 75

2015-03-22 Thread T.J. Duchene
Hey Steve! Do you understand what mailing list this is? Yes. I do. I didn't start the discussion. I actually recommended tabling it until after Devuan is released. Why in the *world* would we go to the substantial trouble of depoetterizing Debian if we wanted systemd to sneak back in via some

Re: [Dng] rumors on RMS about systemd at libreplanet

2015-03-22 Thread Jaromil
On Sat, 21 Mar 2015, Peter Olson wrote: On March 21, 2015 at 6:36 PM Robert Storey robert.sto...@gmail.com wrote: Hopefully, it's just a rumor, though it sounds real. Indeed, I've been wondering why RMS hasn't commented on systemd long ago when it became obvious that it would

Re: [Dng] rumors on RMS about systemd at libreplanet

2015-03-22 Thread devuan . kn
On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 2:34 AM, Joerg Reisenweber - reisenwe...@web.de devuan.kn.d76efe93d7.reisenweber#web...@ob.0sg.net wrote: From *root fs: any you like, even MSDOS (with some limitations) * to an undiscussed unsolicited *root fs: btrfs mandatory* is *not* the kind of progress I want to

Re: [Dng] rumors on RMS about systemd at libreplanet

2015-03-22 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
On Sun 22 March 2015 11:29:54 devuan...@spamgourmet.net wrote: Considering that the blog post is all about putting an idea up for discussion I really do not see how that can be undiscussed and unsolicited. How should you get a discussion started on the internet? Considering how I clearly

Re: [Dng] API: was (for who knows what reason): Dng Digest, Vol 6, Issue 75

2015-03-22 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 22 Mar 2015 12:53:02 + Nuno Magalhães nunomagalh...@eu.ipp.pt wrote: On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 7:24 AM, T.J. Duchene t.j.duch...@gmail.com wrote: What I said was at some point Devuan will probably have to support systemd's API, in order to support upstream projects that actually

Re: [Dng] rumors on RMS about systemd at libreplanet

2015-03-22 Thread devuan . kn
I think everyone is in agreement that they fulfill the letter of the license. The spirit may be lacking especially in regards to access. Being an enormous, interdependent hairball simply puts the code out of reach for all practical purposes as well as restricting use. Again, that's spirit

Re: [Dng] API: was (for who knows what reason): Dng Digest, Vol 6, Issue 75, Devuan commitments - will trade-off be applied?

2015-03-22 Thread T.J. Duchene
Sorry about that bad Subject line, gentlemen. I used Gmail's web interface last night and it totally screwed things up. @Steve Litt, Numo, and Patrick: Frankly everyone, without trying to be rude here - that is your prerogative whether you like or hate Gnome, systemd or whatever. I

Re: [Dng] API: was (for who knows what reason): Dng Digest, Vol 6, Issue 75

2015-03-22 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 22/03/2015 16:59, Steve Litt a écrit : On Sun, 22 Mar 2015 12:53:02 + Nuno Magalhãesnunomagalh...@eu.ipp.pt wrote: On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 7:24 AM, T.J. Duchenet.j.duch...@gmail.com wrote: What I said was at some point Devuan will probably have to support systemd's API, in order to

[Dng] Devuan commitments - will trade-off be applied? {FW copy - was : Dng Digest, Vol 6, Issue 75 by mistake)

2015-03-22 Thread T.J. Duchene
From: T.J. Duchene [mailto:t.j.duch...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2015 2:25 AM To: dng@lists.dyne.org Subject: Re: Dng Digest, Vol 6, Issue 75 Hey Steve! Do you understand what mailing list this is? Yes. I do. I didn't start the discussion. I actually recommended tabling it

Re: [Dng] rumors on RMS about systemd at libreplanet

2015-03-22 Thread hellekin
Would it be possible to avoid offensive characterization of people who do not think along the same lines? Would it be possible to avoid gender-biased characterization of people who are participating in this list? Thank you == hk ___ Dng mailing list

Re: [Dng] rumors on RMS about systemd at libreplanet

2015-03-22 Thread Peter Olson
On March 22, 2015 at 6:29 AM Jaromil jaro...@dyne.org wrote: On Sat, 21 Mar 2015, Peter Olson wrote: RMS didn't call me a troll, he answered the question. Somebody else took it upon himself to refer to the question as trolling. I haven't decided yet whether to speak to that person