Re: [Dng] dev-list

2015-04-08 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Mittwoch, 8. April 2015, 08:09:14 schrieb Robert Storey: Good point. But I thought the reason for the suggestion was because of the amount of fairly useless chatter on this list that the devs have to wade through. (Honestly, it annoys me too.) If there is a -dev list, I

[Dng] Harden script for Devuan-Harden team.

2015-04-08 Thread George Malone
Dear Devuan-Harden team; Could you get the bastille-linux hardening script working with Devuan Alpha? It nolonger runs on some linux distributions, this may show that these distributions have moved far away from traditional unix/linux. It is a very convenient script to run after installation.

Re: [Dng] Would like to help with Devuan

2015-04-08 Thread shraptor shraptor
Reading can get you a bit on the way but it's better to start hacking. At least for me I think is where I learn best. pick some project that interest you and start there. I think its better to do something that is important to yourself in the beginning. On Wednesday, April 8, 2015, JeremyBekka

Re: [Dng] Would like to help with Devuan

2015-04-08 Thread Nate Bargmann
Hi Jeremy. Welcome to the wide, wide, world of Linux and in large measure POSIX. While I am not a distribution packager such as a Debian Developer, I do help maintain an upstream project that is in Debian so my perspective is a bit more broad than a single distribution. You wrote that you're

Re: [Dng] Would like to help with Devuan

2015-04-08 Thread KatolaZ
On Tue, Apr 07, 2015 at 10:07:13PM -0400, JeremyBekka C wrote: [cut] I know that I have a lot to learn, especially after reading the technical posts here about the development of Devuan, but I am motivated and want to learn. There is so much out there to read that I am overwhelmed

Re: [Dng] dev-list

2015-04-08 Thread hal
Jude Nelson wrote on 04/07/15 20:04: suggest that Pottering is evil, Definitely looking forward to this stopping. Agreed. It accomplishes nothing but heat up the list and add to the static. RE: Development list: Since there is way more general chit-chat, how about having the

Re: [Dng] Would like to help with Devuan

2015-04-08 Thread Jude Nelson
Welcome aboard, Jeremy! The easiest way to help out is to use Devuan regularly, and keep track of the things about it that bother you. Then, try to figure out how to fix them, and share your fixes--be they new program configurations, shell scripts, Python scripts or C programs. If you ever get

Re: [Dng] dev-list

2015-04-08 Thread hellekin
FYI, I've been working on a Discourse instance for Devuan, so that we can have the best of both worlds (email and forum). If this happens, the developers can simply ignore threads they're not interested in and keep focused on work. The forum form is likely to grow beyond what any single person

Re: [Dng] dev-list

2015-04-08 Thread hellekin
On 04/08/2015 07:44 PM, Joerg Reisenweber wrote: We got #debianfork and #devuan IRC channels for pretty much the same reasons, and it seems it sort of works there. So for ML that would be the natural template to follow. *** Except the move from IRC to email matches in nature the move from

Re: [Dng] dev-list

2015-04-08 Thread hellekin
On 04/09/2015 01:15 AM, Martijn Dekkers wrote: We do not need another list. That's pretty arrogant. Can you back that up with some actual reasons, like others in this discussion are doing? Or is this simply a case of because I said so It's not arrogant, it's a fact. There's not even a

Re: [Dng] dev-list

2015-04-08 Thread hellekin
On 04/09/2015 01:17 AM, Martijn Dekkers wrote: The reason the vast majority of projects use separate lists is because it *works* [dev] tagged topics don't work very well, because in most cases, people tend to forget, or change the subjectline, or whatever. *** I agree that Mailman's topics

Re: [Dng] [dng] vdev status update

2015-04-08 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Tue, Apr 07, 2015 at 05:22:55PM -0400, Jude Nelson wrote: report every kind of device, since it listens to the kernel's driver core (i.e. libudev learns about network interfaces, buses, power supplies, etc.--stuff for which there are no device files Currently, it doesn't

Re: [Dng] dev-list

2015-04-08 Thread Martijn Dekkers
We do not need another list. That's pretty arrogant. Can you back that up with some actual reasons, like others in this discussion are doing? Or is this simply a case of because I said so ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [Dng] dev-list

2015-04-08 Thread Robert Storey
Apollia wrote: I'm also glad there is a forum: http://talk.devuan.org/ I actually prefer forums over mailing lists in general because forums seem to be more organized, which makes it easier for people to avoid anything they're uninterested in. I didn't realize we had a forum. And I agree

Re: [Dng] dev-list

2015-04-08 Thread Martijn Dekkers
should we just retire the mailing list(s) and start using the forum? ...I don't even... ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [Dng] dev-list

2015-04-08 Thread hellekin
On 04/08/2015 09:49 PM, Steve Litt wrote: I make the following pledge to make sure I don't cause or continue conflict or noise on Dng: 1) I will not respond, at least on-list, to any thread discussing the merits or shames of systemd. I will either ignore, respond offlist, or filter and

Re: [Dng] dev-list

2015-04-08 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Wed, Apr 08, 2015 at 05:47:25PM -0300, hellekin wrote: On 04/08/2015 11:57 AM, Hendrik Boom wrote: Rather than dividing the list between developers and users, it would be better to divide them betwen technical and nontechnical. *** We could use mailman's topics for that. When you want

Re: [Dng] The new forum

2015-04-08 Thread hellekin
On 04/08/2015 06:34 PM, Go Linux wrote: It bears little resemblance to the technical forums to which I have become accustomed. *** Thank you. I really hope non-technical people will like it. I hate technical discussions about computers. They suck, because they're either dick-wagging

Re: [Dng] The new forum

2015-04-08 Thread Nate Bargmann
Interesting observations, Go. I joined today and made a single post. I did like the split screen feature that shows a preview in real time. As for the theme, so long as it is logical to navigate I am not too concerned. Over the years I've used a lot of Vbulletin and PHPbb sites that have been

Re: [Dng] dev-list

2015-04-08 Thread Steve Litt
On Wed, 8 Apr 2015 19:16:34 -0400 Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI ren...@olgiati-in-paraguay.org wrote: On Thu, 9 Apr 2015 05:44:41 +0800 Robert Storey robert.sto...@gmail.com wrote: Which begs the question: should we just retire the mailing list(s) and start using the forum? Please dont; with a

Re: [Dng] dev-list

2015-04-08 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
On Thu 09 April 2015 05:44:41 Robert Storey wrote: Which begs the question: should we just retire the mailing list(s) and start using the forum? Real Programmers dont use Forum On a less joking comment: the ML is the medium of choice for serious communication, simply since you don't need a

Re: [Dng] The new forum

2015-04-08 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
On Wed 08 April 2015 14:34:44 Go Linux wrote: I would rate the ambiance of [...] I may be completely misreading things but it seems to cater to a completely different crowd than the one populating this list. I can appreciate all the effort that hellekin has put into the forum project but

Re: [Dng] dev-list

2015-04-08 Thread Martijn Dekkers
The «long standing, wide-ranging implementation pattern» thing is a bogus argument. Similar to Lots of people jump of bridges, care to join them? Thats just uninformed bullshit. Patterns are one of the cornerstones of modern computing architecture - without patterns everybody will be doomed

Re: [Dng] dev-list

2015-04-08 Thread Ron
On Thu, 9 Apr 2015 05:44:41 +0800 Robert Storey robert.sto...@gmail.com wrote: Which begs the question: should we just retire the mailing list(s) and start using the forum? Please dont; with a mailing list one can keep locally the messages that seem interesting, for later reference. If you

Re: [Dng] dev-list

2015-04-08 Thread Nuno Magalhães
Hi, Just me being picky here. On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 5:35 AM, Martijn Dekkers devuan-li...@dekkers.org.uk wrote: The flip side is those that say don't split the lists - there again is no significant cost to subscribing to both both lists, and follow and participate in both lists if they so