On 8 August 2015 09:28:42 CEST, Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net
wrote:
If, instead, they start removing the sysv scripts, and including
homebrew systemd units - then we're in for a mess of rework.
both me, Franco and other VUAs are literally aiming to a fork, either after
Jessie or
But now we're back into having to have a completely separate package
repository, along with a full set of package maintainers. Sigh.
T.J. Duchene wrote:
You could always lift scripts from Wheezy and use them as a template.
On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 2:28 AM, Miles Fidelman
Jaromil wrote:
On 8 August 2015 09:28:42 CEST, Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net
wrote:
If, instead, they start removing the sysv scripts, and including
homebrew systemd units - then we're in for a mess of rework.
both me, Franco and other VUAs are literally aiming to a fork, either
Hi Robert,
So my big question here: in what ways will Devuan differ from AntiX?
To be honest, I've not looked at AntiX, and thus can't comment on
differences and similarities.
I'm guessing that vdev will be part of the answer, but surely there
is more.
My perspective is that Devuan aims
Isaac Dunham ibid...@gmail.com writes:
On Thu, Aug 06, 2015 at 05:14:28PM +0200, Laurent Bercot wrote:
On 06/08/2015 16:31, Isaac Dunham wrote:
If differences in environment can cause problems, it's a problem with
design. A program that changes what it does just due to differences
between
On Sat, 8 Aug 2015 11:03:34 +0200
Jaromil jaro...@dyne.org wrote:
Jaromil wrote:
Its early to say, but this thread is just prospecting. I believe that
on a longer term we can hardly do worse tha Debian when untangling
dependencies that right now constantly drag in desktop oriented
On Sat, 8 Aug 2015 15:02:07 +0800
Robert Storey robert.sto...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi everyone. It's been a little while since I last posted.
Some of you might remember that I occasionally write reviews for
DistroWatch. Not too often, because it's my policy to only write about a
distro that I
On Fri, Aug 07, 2015 at 01:58:19PM +0100, Rainer Weikusat wrote:
[...]
The general idea would be
1) Keep a relatively simple init which kicks off execution of commands in
response to 'change the system state' request and nothing else (get
rid of as much of /etc/inittab as possible
On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 22:44:41 +1200
Daniel Reurich dan...@centurion.net.nz wrote:
Devuan may have been born out of anger at the decisions of the TC, but
already it is shaping up to be more then just Debian with sysvinit.
Vdev is certainly a step away from systemd ties, but the discussions on
Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net writes:
Rainer Weikusat wrote:
[...]
Also, to re-iterate this: What an init script needs to do is really only
'start a process'/ 'stop a process'. Most of the other code which crept
in there during the last 15 - 20 years will fall into one of two
Dave Turner dave_t_tur...@barradas.free-online.co.uk writes:
[many words]
This seems to boil down to: In its present state, I consider Devuan
unusable. Was that what you actually meant to say?
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On 08/08/15 13:46, Riccardo Boninsegna wrote:
On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 2:39 PM, Dave Turner
dave_t_tur...@barradas.free-online.co.uk wrote:
various XFCE irritations for normal people made me do a full debian jessie
install with systemd and all. I s wish I hadn't!
XFCE doesn't work at all.
Jaromil wrote:
Jaromil wrote:
Its early to say, but this thread is just prospecting. I believe that
on a longer term we can hardly do worse tha Debian when untangling
dependencies that right now constantly drag in desktop oriented
stuff, like avahi and other similar nonsense that we almost got
Riccardo Boninsegna wrote:
On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 2:39 PM, Dave Turner
dave_t_tur...@barradas.free-online.co.uk wrote:
various XFCE irritations for normal people made me do a full debian jessie
install with systemd and all. I s wish I hadn't!
XFCE doesn't work at all.
Devuan Testing
On Sat, Aug 08, 2015 at 09:43:47AM +0200, Laurent Bercot wrote:
On 08/08/2015 03:43, Isaac Dunham wrote:
Which, fortunately, is pretty easy to do: I wrote an environment
sanitizer yesterday, because I was curious how easily solved that is.
Usage is
cautenv [-c DIR] [-u] [-x] COMMAND
Miles,
Remember that devuan is still at Aplha2.
Perhaps Beta 1 will be free of systemd, but until then, aptitude is your
friend!
DaveT
On 08/08/15 15:12, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Riccardo Boninsegna wrote:
On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 2:39 PM, Dave Turner
dave_t_tur...@barradas.free-online.co.uk
On 08/08/2015 05:36 AM, Rainer Weikusat wrote:
to 'use of systemd', there are things which sound like they were to fear
more seriously, ie, the stated intention of at least one kernel
maintainer (Tejun Hejo, spelling probably wrong) that he wants to break
userspace in order to turn cgroups
On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 09:46:07 +0200
Jaromil jaro...@dyne.org wrote:
On 8 August 2015 09:28:42 CEST, Miles Fidelman
mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote:
If, instead, they start removing the sysv scripts, and including
homebrew systemd units - then we're in for a mess of rework.
both me,
On Sat, 8 Aug 2015 06:26:40 -0500
Thaddeus Nielsen thaddeus.niel...@gmx.us wrote:
On Sat, 8 Aug 2015 15:02:07 +0800
Robert Storey robert.sto...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi everyone. It's been a little while since I last posted.
Some of you might remember that I occasionally write reviews for
T.J. Duchene t.j.duch...@gmail.com writes:
On 08/08/2015 05:36 AM, Rainer Weikusat wrote:
to 'use of systemd', there are things which sound like they were to fear
more seriously, ie, the stated intention of at least one kernel
maintainer (Tejun Hejo, spelling probably wrong) that he wants to
It seems to me that it's good to have shim programs that satisfy
dependencies of apps on systemd, each shim performing some systemd
function. Here's why:
Suppose there are 10,000 application programs (apps) for Linux,
and their developers foolishly insert dependencies on systemd.
If Devuan
On August 8, 2015 4:12:23 PM CEST, Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net
wrote:
Riccardo Boninsegna wrote:
On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 2:39 PM, Dave Turner
dave_t_tur...@barradas.free-online.co.uk wrote:
various XFCE irritations for normal people made me do a full debian
jessie install with
On August 8, 2015 2:39:15 PM CEST, Dave Turner
dave_t_tur...@barradas.free-online.co.uk wrote:
If the developers of devuan are paying a lot of attention to the
various
discussions on here about init systems, audio, getting rid of
pulseaudio
and other 'pet-hates' then it slows down the
IMHO, if an external program calls a systemd API, does it because want
that systemd does something.
Write 10-100-1000 systemd shims that don't do anything, simply returns
true is not a solution: in case, we have to translate the systemd
api call to the real daemon in execution and this could be
On Sat, 8/8/15, Mark S Bilk m...@cosmicpenguin.com wrote:
Subject: [DNG] Systemd Shims
To: dng@lists.dyne.org
Date: Saturday, August 8, 2015, 11:49 AM
[cut]
So please drop the fear of contamination, and consider the shims as a simple,
inexpensive
and effective wall of defense against
Nextime wrote:
On August 8, 2015 4:12:23 PM CEST, Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net
wrote:
Riccardo Boninsegna wrote:
On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 2:39 PM, Dave Turner
dave_t_tur...@barradas.free-online.co.uk wrote:
various XFCE irritations for normal people made me do a full debian
On August 4, 2015 11:05:04 PM CEST, Rainer Weikusat
rainerweiku...@virginmedia.com wrote:
Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com writes:
On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 12:45:19 +0100
Rainer Weikusat rainerweiku...@virginmedia.com wrote:
I'm looking for an upgrade path for a Debian wheezy installation I
From the look of Mark's website I was a bit disappointed not to find a
link to www.davidicke.com!
But, if the quick'n'dirty pragmatic solution is systemd shims then so be
it as far as I am concerned.
DaveT
On 08/08/15 18:14, Go Linux wrote:
On Sat, 8/8/15, Mark S Bilk m...@cosmicpenguin.com
On 08/08/15 13:58, Rainer Weikusat wrote:
Dave Turner dave_t_tur...@barradas.free-online.co.uk writes:
[many words]
This seems to boil down to: In its present state, I consider Devuan
unusable. Was that what you actually meant to say?
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What is wrong in using shutdown -h now? I use it whenever I boot my
Devuan installation 64 bit. Don't tell me opening a terminal, typing
'su' and the root password, is geeky stuff!
On 08/08/2015, Dave Turner dave_t_tur...@barradas.free-online.co.uk wrote:
On 08/08/15 13:58, Rainer Weikusat
From the look of Mark's website I was a bit disappointed not to find a
link to www.davidicke.com!
But, if the quick'n'dirty pragmatic solution is systemd shims then so be
it as far as I am concerned.
DaveT
On 08/08/15 18:14, Go Linux wrote:
On Sat, 8/8/15, Mark S Bilk
G'evening,
On Sat, Aug 08, 2015 at 08:30:58PM +0100, Dave Turner wrote:
From the look of Mark's website I was a bit disappointed not to find a link
to www.davidicke.com!
Well... I'm fine with what I saw, I mostly don't care because his beliefs
are his own business. Yeah, even praising Ruby as
As (bad) luck would have it, I just received an email from Jesse Smith (who
writes the DistroWatch Weekly Review) informing me that he already wrote a
review of antiX and it will be published this Monday. It would be too late
to withdraw it now, since that would leave him without a review for this
On Sun, Aug 09, 2015 at 10:13:45AM +0800, Robert Storey wrote:
what exactly does systemd-shim do? Is it just
a package to trick other packages with dependencies on systemd, without
actually installing systemd?
It allows running parts of systemd (logind, some power management functions,
etc)
On Sun, 9 Aug 2015 10:13:45 +0800
Robert Storey robert.sto...@gmail.com wrote:
My next review will probably be about Void Linux.
Excellent choice!
Jesse wrote a very
brief review of Void a few months ago, in which he basically said it
didn't run on his machine, so he dismissed it as not
On Sun, Aug 09, 2015 at 10:13:45AM +0800, Robert Storey wrote:
Since
I'm a fan of the Raspberry Pi, I definitely want to see another distro
available for it that is systemd-free. There is also FreeBSD for the Pi,
though I understand it is very much a work in progress, but I'm interested
in
On Sat, 8 Aug 2015 22:10:13 -0700
Isaac Dunham ibid...@gmail.com wrote:
Try Alpine Linux (alpinelinux.org).
Install docs are here:
http://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Installation
[snip]
-init is Busybox init, with OpenRC on top.
Fascinating! The Busybox PID1 with the OpenRC process
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