Re: [DNG] Systemd Shims

2015-08-09 Thread Rainer Weikusat
Mark S Bilk m...@cosmicpenguin.com writes: It seems to me that it's good to have shim programs that satisfy dependencies of apps on systemd, each shim performing some systemd function. Here's why: Suppose there are 10,000 application programs (apps) for Linux, and their developers

Re: [DNG] Systemd Shims

2015-08-09 Thread Patrick Erdmann
On 09.08.2015 12:02, Rainer Weikusat wrote: Mark S Bilk m...@cosmicpenguin.com writes: It seems to me that it's good to have shim programs that satisfy dependencies of apps on systemd, each shim performing some systemd function. Here's why: Suppose there are 10,000 application programs

Re: [DNG] Devuan compared to AntiX

2015-08-09 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Sun, Aug 09, 2015 at 01:43:36AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: On Sat, 8 Aug 2015 22:10:13 -0700 Isaac Dunham ibid...@gmail.com wrote: Try Alpine Linux (alpinelinux.org). Install docs are here: http://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Installation [snip] -init is Busybox init, with OpenRC

Re: [DNG] Systemd Shims

2015-08-09 Thread Rainer Weikusat
Patrick Erdmann p...@perdmann.de writes: On 09.08.2015 12:02, Rainer Weikusat wrote: Mark S Bilk m...@cosmicpenguin.com writes: It seems to me that it's good to have shim programs that satisfy dependencies of apps on systemd, each shim performing some systemd function. Here's why:

Re: [DNG] Devuan compared to AntiX

2015-08-09 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sat, Aug 08, 2015 at 07:42:04AM -0400, Renaud OLGIATI wrote: On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 22:44:41 +1200 Daniel Reurich dan...@centurion.net.nz wrote: Devuan may have been born out of anger at the decisions of the TC, but already it is shaping up to be more then just Debian with sysvinit.

Re: [DNG] Init scripts in packages

2015-08-09 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sat, Aug 08, 2015 at 02:38:48AM -0500, T.J. Duchene wrote: You could always lift scripts from Wheezy and use them as a template. Or even from jessie, now that Debian jessie in stable. -- hendrik On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 2:28 AM, Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote: T.J.

Re: [DNG] Devuan compared to AntiX

2015-08-09 Thread T.J. Duchene
On 08/09/2015 06:47 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: Doesn't that machine hae teh processor for which Microsoft said that all its Windowses would be totally locked down? Or have things changed for Windows 10? Hello, Hendrik! Assuming you mean safe boot, that is only mandated for devices

Re: [DNG] non-systemd Linux for newbies with good migration tool?

2015-08-09 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Sun, Aug 09, 2015 at 09:44:11PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: On Sun, 9 Aug 2015 18:14:10 -0700 Isaac Dunham ibid...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I'm looking for a Linux distro that I could recommend to friends who are rather frustrated with Windows 10. The friends in question ask me about

Re: [DNG] non-systemd Linux for newbies with good migration tool?

2015-08-09 Thread T.J. Duchene
On 08/09/2015 08:14 PM, Isaac Dunham wrote: Hello, I'm looking for a Linux distro that I could recommend to friends who are rather frustrated with Windows 10. The friends in question ask me about how to fix problems with their computers from time to time. With the greatest respect, Isaac, by

Re: [DNG] non-systemd Linux for newbies with good migration tool?

2015-08-09 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 9 Aug 2015 18:14:10 -0700 Isaac Dunham ibid...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I'm looking for a Linux distro that I could recommend to friends who are rather frustrated with Windows 10. The friends in question ask me about how to fix problems with their computers from time to time. The

[DNG] Packaging (was Systemd Shimss, Init scripts in packages, possibly Mission Creep)

2015-08-09 Thread T.J. Duchene
I know I have said this before, but I just wanted to say that both threads are really the same issue. I think the overarching problem that both Debian and Devuan have is the very same problem: packaging. From my little corner of the world, every disagreement so far seems to be a package

Re: [DNG] non-systemd Linux for newbies with good migration tool?

2015-08-09 Thread Joel Roth
Isaac Dunham wrote: LXDE is close to the classic interface, but so is IceWM (my own first pick for window manager.) I like IceWM, because it's so easy to configure menus. I set up some menus for my dad, that he's been using unchanged for a decade. The biggest problem was setting a larger

Re: [DNG] non-systemd Linux for newbies with good migration tool?

2015-08-09 Thread Richard
Morning Isaac, Hello, I'm looking for a Linux distro that I could recommend to friends who are ​ rather frustrated with Windows 10. The friends in question ask me about how to fix problems with their ​ computers from time to time. The essentials would be: -has a *good* Windows migration