Re: [DNG] Purism Librem and disabling Intel ME: it can be done [ Re: TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server ]

2017-09-05 Thread mdn
Le 06/09/2017 04:13, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult a écrit : > On 05.09.2017 18:14, mdn wrote: > > > > If I understood it correctly, they managed to boot an modified firmware > on that ME core, so it theoretically should be possible to run an > entirely own firmware on it. Maybe barebox or

Re: [DNG] Purism Librem and disabling Intel ME: it can be done [ Re: TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server ]

2017-09-05 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
On 06.09.2017 03:14, mdn wrote: If I understood it correctly, they managed to boot an modified firmware on that ME core, so it theoretically should be possible to run an entirely own firmware on it. Maybe barebox or plan9. They did manage to boot a modified firmware but there's still

Re: [DNG] Purism Librem and disabling Intel ME: it can be done [ Re: TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server ]

2017-09-05 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
On 05.09.2017 18:14, mdn wrote: If I understood it correctly, they managed to boot an modified firmware on that ME core, so it theoretically should be possible to run an entirely own firmware on it. Maybe barebox or plan9. Having a serial console (maybe via some free gpios ?) would be a

Re: [DNG] Purism Librem and disabling Intel ME: it can be done [ Re: TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server ]

2017-09-05 Thread taii...@gmx.com
On 09/05/2017 03:00 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: so it looks as it that legitimately owner-controlled computer project based on the POWER processor has died. Anyone know better? Is is still continuing in some form? That was TALOS 1 (POWER8), the new hotness is TALOS 2 (POWER9). They are waiting

Re: [DNG] What is devuan-dev and a dev-meeting?

2017-09-05 Thread Evilham
Hello Edward, Am 05/09/2017 um 9:18 schrieb Edward Bartolo: > What is devuan-dev and a dev-meeting? Why on DNG there are no > discussions about software being developed or modified for Devuan? > There are discussions of 'software', but these, are more like > philosophico-technical debates.

[DNG] What is devuan-dev and a dev-meeting?

2017-09-05 Thread Edward Bartolo
What is devuan-dev and a dev-meeting? Why on DNG there are no discussions about software being developed or modified for Devuan? There are discussions of 'software', but these, are more like philosophico-technical debates. As the person who coded and uploaded simple-netaid-backend and

Re: [DNG] Purism Librem and disabling Intel ME: it can be done [ Re: TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server ]

2017-09-05 Thread taii...@gmx.com
On 09/05/2017 06:34 AM, Alessandro Selli wrote: On Sun, 3 Sep 2017 at 07:32:10 -0400 zap wrote: On 09/03/2017 05:26 AM, Alessandro Selli wrote: On 01/09/2017 at 20:36, zap wrote: I doubt it will be owner controlled, as their laptops aren't - they still haven't even

Re: [DNG] Purism Librem and disabling Intel ME: it can be done [ Re: TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server ]

2017-09-05 Thread zap
On 09/05/2017 11:08 AM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > Am Dienstag, 5. September 2017 schrieb Edward Bartolo: >> So, it means, without my knowledge as a computer user, I have a HIDDEN >> OPERATING SYSTEM running under my nose. Securitiwise, it is like >> running MS Windows notwithstanding I am

Re: [DNG] Purism Librem and disabling Intel ME: it can be done [ Re: TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server ]

2017-09-05 Thread Arnt Gulbrandsen
taii...@gmx.com writes: I take it you work for purismraptor has made a legitimately owner controlled computer - whats stopping you? Is that an actual owner-controlled computer, or is it controlled by whoever is at the keyboard? Or is it controlled by all the people who have a certain

Re: [DNG] Purism Librem and disabling Intel ME: it can be done [ Re: TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server ]

2017-09-05 Thread Dr. Nikolaus Klepp
Am Dienstag, 5. September 2017 schrieb Edward Bartolo: > So, it means, without my knowledge as a computer user, I have a HIDDEN > OPERATING SYSTEM running under my nose. Securitiwise, it is like > running MS Windows notwithstanding I am running Devuan ASCII! > > With all this, a tinfoil hat is

Re: [DNG] Purism Librem and disabling Intel ME: it can be done [ Re: TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server ]

2017-09-05 Thread taii...@gmx.com
Well gee shows over folks we can go home as the good people at the NSA have made a nice little feature to shut off that thing all the kids are complaining about. Hypothetical backdoor team "Aw shucks they got us!" "Damn they're using a non-intel NIC - what will we do now?" If you can't

Re: [DNG] Purism Librem and disabling Intel ME: it can be done [ Re: TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server ]

2017-09-05 Thread Narcis Garcia
El 05/09/17 a les 16:05, Edward Bartolo ha escrit: > Hiding a complete OS integrated on the main processor's silicon die, > and to add insult to injury, complete with a dedicated processor, > filesystem and all! This is the point that makes me doubt about those theories. I'm shure this type of

Re: [DNG] Purism Librem and disabling Intel ME: it can be done [ Re: TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server ]

2017-09-05 Thread mdn
Hello, To make some precisions: -The "High Assurance Platform" belongs to a trusted platform program linked to the U.S. National Security Agency (NSA). A graphics-rich presentation describing the program can be found here. http://fm.csl.sri.com/LAW/2009/dobry-law09-HAP-Challenges.pdf note: the

Re: [DNG] Purism Librem and disabling Intel ME: it can be done [ Re: TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server ]

2017-09-05 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Sep 05, 2017 at 11:53:46AM -0400, taii...@gmx.com wrote: > > I take it you work for purismraptor has made a legitimately owner > controlled computer - whats stopping you? (besides obsession over intel x86) > It is possible to make a POWER laptop with todays lower wattage POWER cpu's.

Re: [DNG] Purism Librem and disabling Intel ME: it can be done [ Re: TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server ]

2017-09-05 Thread mdn
Le 05/09/2017 21:00, Hendrik Boom a écrit : > On Tue, Sep 05, 2017 at 11:53:46AM -0400, taii...@gmx.com wrote: >> >> I take it you work for purismraptor has made a legitimately owner >> controlled computer - whats stopping you? (besides obsession over intel x86) >> It is possible to make a

Re: [DNG] TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server

2017-09-05 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Thu, 31 Aug 2017 at 21:46:39 -0700 Rick Moen wrote: > Elsewhere in this thread, there's been mention of the dire threat to > system security from Intel Management Engine (ME) (every Intel CPU since > 2008) and the equivalent AMD Platform Security Processor (PSP). > >

[DNG] Purism Librem and disabling Intel ME: it can be done [ Re: TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server ]

2017-09-05 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Sun, 3 Sep 2017 at 07:32:10 -0400 zap wrote: > > On 09/03/2017 05:26 AM, Alessandro Selli wrote: >> On 01/09/2017 at 20:36, zap wrote: I doubt it will be owner controlled, as their laptops aren't - they still haven't even gotten a blobbed version of coreboot

[DNG] Purism Librem and disabling Intel ME: it can be done [ Re: TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server ]

2017-09-05 Thread Edward Bartolo
So, it means, without my knowledge as a computer user, I have a HIDDEN OPERATING SYSTEM running under my nose. Securitiwise, it is like running MS Windows notwithstanding I am running Devuan ASCII! With all this, a tinfoil hat is completely useless. I need an armoured hat with the same thickness