Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

2017-09-21 Thread Arnt Gulbrandsen
Rowland Penny writes: Please stop being obtuse, You know very well what I meant. I do indeed, and I think you're wrong. Devuan has taken a no-systemd decision, that's all. That isn't a promise from anyone to provide alternatives in any other question, or to make alternative packages. Not

Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

2017-09-21 Thread Dave Turner
On 21/09/17 21:33, Rowland Penny wrote: On Thu, 21 Sep 2017 21:18:41 +0100 Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: Rowland Penny writes: This is all down to the sysadmins decision and I thought one of the main ideas behind Devuan is that nothing is forced on the sysadmin. Systemd

Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

2017-09-21 Thread Rowland Penny
On Thu, 21 Sep 2017 21:41:49 +0100 Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: > Rowland Penny writes: > > Please stop being obtuse, You know very well what I meant. > > I do indeed, and I think you're wrong. Devuan has taken a no-systemd > decision, that's all. That isn't a promise from

[DNG] And another new behaviour under Devuan.

2017-09-21 Thread Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
My camera, cell phone and USB pendrives that used to mount without trouble under Debian now give an error "Not authorized" and I have to launch a Pcmanfm as root to access them. Lucky I learned this morning how to launch a prog as root from the CLI.. Why did the configuration change ?

Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

2017-09-21 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Arnt Karlsen (a...@iaksess.no): > ..my prefecence was the -X option: ssh -X root@localhost > until Debian killed it with some new policy. Was it Debian that did that? I was never sure. I just remember that 'ssh -X' suddenly no longer did X11 forwarding as it used to, but I looked up

Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

2017-09-21 Thread Arnt Gulbrandsen
Rowland Penny writes: This is all down to the sysadmins decision and I thought one of the main ideas behind Devuan is that nothing is forced on the sysadmin. Systemd isn't forced on you. LOTS of other things are, starting with the choice of .deb as package format. Arnt

Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

2017-09-21 Thread Rowland Penny
On Thu, 21 Sep 2017 21:18:41 +0100 Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: > Rowland Penny writes: > > This is all down to the sysadmins decision and I thought one of the > > main ideas behind Devuan is that nothing is forced on the sysadmin. > > Systemd isn't forced on you. LOTS of

Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

2017-09-21 Thread Dave Turner
On 21/09/17 21:41, Dave Turner wrote: On 21/09/17 21:33, Rowland Penny wrote: On Thu, 21 Sep 2017 21:18:41 +0100 Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: Rowland Penny writes: This is all down to the sysadmins decision and I thought one of the main ideas behind Devuan is that

Re: [DNG] And another new behaviour under Devuan.

2017-09-21 Thread KatolaZ
On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 05:21:17PM -0400, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: > My camera, cell phone and USB pendrives that used to mount without trouble > under Debian now give an error "Not authorized" and I have to launch a > Pcmanfm as root to access them. Lucky I learned this morning how to launch

[DNG] Debian drops Qt4

2017-09-21 Thread Hendrik Boom
Because of discussions here about suitable open-source GUIs, I'm pointing out that Qt4 is being dropped by Debian. So anyone wanting Qt will have to use Qt5. I don't know what the portability or upgrade implications are. https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2017/08/msg6.html --

[DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

2017-09-21 Thread Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
Under Debian, I could su to root in a console, and launch gparted from the CLI. Now, I get: ron@ron:~/Desktop $ su Password: No protocol specified xmodmap: unable to open display ':0.0' No protocol specified xmodmap: unable to open display ':0.0' No protocol specified xmodmap: unable to open

Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

2017-09-21 Thread KatolaZ
On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 11:12:19AM -0400, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: > Under Debian, I could su to root in a console, and launch gparted from the > CLI. > > Now, I get: > > ron@ron:~/Desktop $ su > Password: > No protocol specified > xmodmap: unable to open display ':0.0' > No protocol

Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

2017-09-21 Thread golinux
On 2017-09-21 10:12, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: And by the way, logging in under xdm (?) I had a shock when the Debian name and logo appeared on the login screen... Cheers, Ron. Hi Ron, There was an issue opened up about this 9 months ago:

Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

2017-09-21 Thread fsmithred
On 09/21/2017 11:33 AM, KatolaZ wrote: > On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 11:12:19AM -0400, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: >> Under Debian, I could su to root in a console, and launch gparted from the >> CLI. >> >> Now, I get: >> >> ron@ron:~/Desktop $ su >> Password: >> No protocol specified >> xmodmap:

Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

2017-09-21 Thread Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
On Thu, 21 Sep 2017 10:39:13 -0500 goli...@dyne.org wrote: > There was an issue opened up about this 9 months ago: > https://git.devuan.org/devuan-editors/devuan-art/issues/14 > Devuan alternatives were created specifically for xdm but never > transferred to the project and repackaged. OK ta,

Re: [DNG] librezilla: [WAS: Has anyone tried waterfox?]

2017-09-21 Thread zap
> > > be completely software > > If you MPL free, yes. No blobs, etc. > And no systemd deps, of course (actually, haven't seen any yet) > Also get rid of all dbus deps. > >> disable eme, tracking from mozilla, etc...? > > yes, patching it out completely. also geoloc, sensors, etc. > > Note: I

[DNG] librezilla: [WAS: Has anyone tried waterfox?]

2017-09-21 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
On 21.09.2017 16:51, zap wrote: I look forward to such an idea, will it support alsa and Didn't touch the ALSA part yet - if upstream supports it, shouldn't be a problem. OTOH, if upstream drops it, we need some deeper thoughts on that. Perhaps think about an generic crossplatform audio

Re: [DNG] Has anyone tried waterfox?

2017-09-21 Thread zap
> > BTW: it seems that waterfox *does* enable EME: > > https://github.com/MrAlex94/Waterfox/blob/e0e4243228d88be5e09aaa964b5692d8db1553f0/.mozconfig > > > > ac_add_options --enable-eme=widevine > > > --mtx Thankfully that is the only issue I know of, and it can be disabled. in many ways...

Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

2017-09-21 Thread Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
On Thu, 21 Sep 2017 16:33:23 +0100 KatolaZ wrote: > you probably just need to `xhost +` from the "regular" user account > before su-ing. By default the current display is not accessible by any > user except the one who launched it. root is not an exception. Anything

Re: [DNG] Has anyone tried waterfox?

2017-09-21 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
On 21.09.2017 04:09, zap wrote: Hi, haven't tried waterfox yet, and didn't get in contact w/ the folks behind, but I've started an own fork: Librezilla. https://github.com/Librezilla It's pretty experimental yet, and still based on esr52 (because of the rust problem). BTW: it seems that

Re: [DNG] Gnome?

2017-09-21 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Thu, 21 Sep 2017 11:57:37 +0200, Didier wrote in message <848f652f-8b44-800f-88c1-da35cb086...@in2p3.fr>: > Le 20/09/2017 à 20:07, Steve Litt a écrit : > > On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 11:31:38 -0400 > > John Franklin wrote: > > > > > >> That said, there are plenty who either like

Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

2017-09-21 Thread J. Fahrner
Am 2017-09-20 22:03, schrieb zap: Noscript is not on chromium or google chrome for an obvious reason. Noscript is the reason I will always use waterfox or a modified firefox over anything else. There is ScriptSafe for Chrome/Chromium which is basically the same as Noscript. Jochen

Re: [DNG] Debian drops Qt4

2017-09-21 Thread Dave Turner
On 21/09/17 15:03, Hendrik Boom wrote: Because of discussions here about suitable open-source GUIs, I'm pointing out that Qt4 is being dropped by Debian. So anyone wanting Qt will have to use Qt5. I don't know what the portability or upgrade implications are.

Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

2017-09-21 Thread Dave Turner
On 21/09/17 16:41, fsmithred wrote: On 09/21/2017 11:33 AM, KatolaZ wrote: On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 11:12:19AM -0400, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: Under Debian, I could su to root in a console, and launch gparted from the CLI. Now, I get: ron@ron:~/Desktop $ su Password: No protocol specified

Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

2017-09-21 Thread Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
On Thu, 21 Sep 2017 19:43:54 +0100 Dave Turner wrote: > Also, 'su' is just wrong, don't use it, always use sudo, If I wanted to always use sudo I would be running *ubuntu... Cheers, Ron. -- No one can make you feel inferior without your

Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

2017-09-21 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI (ren...@olgiati-in-paraguay.org): > Anything against having `xhost +` in ~/.bashrc ? Local security, disabling of. One different method: $ ssh -Y root@localhost # gparted & # The '-Y' option enables X11 forwarding. (This of course requires sshd.) You can

Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

2017-09-21 Thread Rowland Penny
On Thu, 21 Sep 2017 19:43:54 +0100 Dave Turner wrote: > > Also, 'su' is just wrong, don't use it, always use sudo, and if you > can find a decent .deb of OpenBSD 'doas' ported to linux use that, it > is even better! > Just because you think using 'su'

Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

2017-09-21 Thread KatolaZ
On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 09:41:08PM +0100, Dave Turner wrote: [cut] > The bottle of wine isn't quite finished yet, but I am not trying to force > anyone to stop using 'su'. > > It IS a really bad idea though, rummage the interweb, somewhere in there is > a really good write up on why su is bad

Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

2017-09-21 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
On 21.09.2017 19:49, Joel Roth wrote: That's odd. I installed the skypeforlinux.deb file on deuvan jessie without the pulseaudio server. yes, it depends on pa library, but not the service - which is correct, as the server could be remote. --mtx ___

Re: [DNG] librezilla: [WAS: Has anyone tried waterfox?]

2017-09-21 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
On 21.09.2017 18:12, Edward Bartolo wrote: Excuse me for interrupting this conversation, but, what is the point of making sure a browser is secure knowing there is a complete HIDDEN OS running all the time? Not everybody uses (recent) x86 :p We can't take care of everything at once, and IME

Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

2017-09-21 Thread Joel Roth
Didier Kryn wrote: > I built Apulse on a Devuan-Jessie x86_64 without Pulseaudio. This was > for Skype to install without error. That's odd. I installed the skypeforlinux.deb file on deuvan jessie without the pulseaudio server. I do have some pulse audio libraries: libpulse-dev:amd64

[DNG] GUIs font sizes

2017-09-21 Thread Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
Since upgrading from Debian Wheezy to Devuan Jessie, I have a font size problem in several programs, like flpsed, imagemagick, timidity: the font size used in the GUIs of those programs is so small I cannot read them. I suspect it might be a Qt/Gtk problem ? Any idea where to dig for making

Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

2017-09-21 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 20/09/2017 à 17:10, dev a écrit : On 09/20/2017 01:30 AM, Didier Kryn wrote: Anyone have it working on Devuan and Firefox 55.0.3 64bit ? I built it on Devuan Jessie without any glitch and Skype seems happy with it. Oh! I did not see this earlier. how are you launching firefox?

Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

2017-09-21 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 21/09/2017 à 11:49, Didier Kryn a écrit : The preferred browser on the two machines is Palemoon, installed from some Suze repository. There is also Firefox installed and it works with Alsa only, since it is always launched from the standard .desktop launcher. Maybe I should check if the

Re: [DNG] Vivaldi

2017-09-21 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Thu, 21 Sep 2017 02:36:22 +0200, mdn wrote in message <59c30986@openmailbox.org>: > Le 21/09/2017 00:53, Arnt Karlsen a écrit : > > On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 23:55:47 +0200, mdn wrote in message > > <59c2e3e3.6010...@openmailbox.org>: > > > >> Le 20/09/2017 22:26, airmoose a écrit : > >>>

Re: [DNG] Gnome?

2017-09-21 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 20/09/2017 à 20:07, Steve Litt a écrit : On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 11:31:38 -0400 John Franklin wrote: That said, there are plenty who either like it or at least have gotten used to it. If we could get Gnome working here, it would attract more users to Devuan. Serious