On 2018-11-20 11:38, Steve Litt wrote:
And who can forget the GR, where, at the last minute, when it appeared
that they stacked the deck, by adding a new alternative, when it looked
like the GR would demand Debian work without a systemd PID1?
Repeating here for truth in case anyone has not
On 11/19/2018 06:17 AM, KatolaZ wrote:
Hi All,
in the last few days we have seen many people going at lengths with
the pros and cons of a non-merged usr. That has been a great
discussion. We have put together a solution that consists into
choosing if you want merged-usr at install time. It's
Rich Moen:
...
> Since the gentleman seemed not to be familiar with make-kpkg in package
> kernel-package, perhaps he should start there. (However, I believe it's
> now deprecated as of Debian stretch, and being replaced by newer
> automation tool deb-pkg, and coverage in The Debian
Rick Moen [20/11/2018 20.04]:
> Since the gentleman seemed not to be familiar with make-kpkg in package
> kernel-package, perhaps he should start there. (However, I believe it's
> now deprecated as of Debian stretch, and being replaced by newer
> automation tool deb-pkg, and coverage in The
Quoting Harald Arnesen (skog...@gmail.com):
> Why not just use "make deb-pkg" from the kernel source tree?
I'm a little unclear on whether this is a suggestion, ot a question, or
both, or a suggestion disguised as a question. ;->
Yesterday when I posted upthread, I had just then learned that
Quoting Hendrik Boom (hend...@topoi.pooq.com):
> On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 02:32:28AM -0800, Rick Moen wrote:
> > Quoting Didier Kryn (k...@in2p3.fr):
> >
> > > And what kernel source do you use, kernel.org or Debian?
> >
> > I'm unclear on what possible use you would have for that information.
>
On 20-11-18 18:38, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Nov 2018 13:09:59 +0100
> info at smallinnovations dot nl wrote:
>
>> On 18-11-18 09:36, KatolaZ wrote:
>>> This is not gonna happen, given for instance the way our presence in
>>> debian-devel has been "cheered up" (with aggressive posts and
>>>
On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 12:03:37PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Nov 2018 09:40:14 +0100
> KatolaZ wrote:
>
> > On Sun, Nov 18, 2018 at 04:51:43PM +0900, Olaf Meeuwissen wrote:
> >
> > [cut]
> >
> > >
> > > ACK. Just like to point out that Devuan might run into packages
> > > that
Quoting Martin Steigerwald (mar...@lichtvoll.de):
> AFAIK make-kpkg from kernel-package has been deprecated since a long
> time, easily more than year or to already. I just did not care so far.
> It works just the way I like it… so I intend to continue to use it for
> as long as it does. Which
Rick Moen - 21.11.18, 00:02:
> Quoting Harald Arnesen (skog...@gmail.com):
> > Why not just use "make deb-pkg" from the kernel source tree?
>
> I'm a little unclear on whether this is a suggestion, ot a question,
> or both, or a suggestion disguised as a question. ;->
>
> Yesterday when I
On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 11:04:42AM -0800, Rick Moen wrote:
>
> As to the rest, I'm not in the habit of posting to public mailing lists
> detailed information about how often and precisely how I carry out
> security-sensitive maintenance at the very core of my systems. I'm just
> fickle and
Le 19/11/2018 à 23:57, Rick Moen a écrit :
Quoting Didier Kryn (k...@in2p3.fr):
Very nice. Congratulations. Do I understand well if I
understand your scripts read the config of the Debian kernel and
customize it to compile your own kernel?
I must beg your pardon, Didier, but I don't
Le 20/11/2018 à 00:43, k...@aspodata.se a écrit :
Didier:
Le 17/11/2018 à 16:15,k...@aspodata.se a écrit :
Didier:
If you want to boot directly to the disk, then don't use a distro.
I boot directly to disk, why shouldn't I use a distro ?
I see no downside of using a distro, I just
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On 19/11/2018 02.01, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> ..you mirror straight off http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged/, or
> off http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/ and pull some amprolla
> style stunt?
I don't pull any amprolla like stunts, I just use
On Mon, 19 Nov 2018 11:22:53 -0800, Rick wrote in message
<20181119192253.gk4...@linuxmafia.com>:
> ## sdb and sdc are RAID1 mirrored, except for swap. Each is 18 GB
> SCSI.
> /dev/md0/var/wwwext3nodev,nosuid0
> 2 #sdb5,sdc5
> /dev/md1/var/libext3
On Tue, 20 Nov 2018 11:50:45 -0500, Steve wrote in message
<20181120115045.311c5...@mydesk.domain.cxm>:
> On Sun, 18 Nov 2018 09:36:18 +0100
> KatolaZ wrote:
>
> > On Sun, Nov 18, 2018 at 01:08:41AM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote:
>
> > > Instead, any package diff from Debian should be
For the question of whether merging / and usr is good:
It would be good except that rh pushes doing it backwards and debian
seems to be falling for that insanity, too.
/usr was intended for home directories. Hense usEr.
/usr/bin and /usr/lib were created only because disks were small.
Disks,
Quoting Arnt Karlsen (a...@iaksess.no):
> ..is/was these 2 separate swap spaces faster stand-alone than put
> together in a RAID0?
I'm not sure. Adding the additional complication of the md layer to
the Linux swapper thread's management of alternate access between two swap
partitions with equal
On 08.11.18 15:12, Nico Schottelius wrote:
>
> Hey mtx,
>
> that is AWESOME. It is *THE* thing we are looking at into for ungleich
> and if there was direct support of k8s in Devuan, it could potentially
> enable many more people to use Devuan as the default infrastructure OS.
thx.
Maybe we
just for your amusement ...
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From: Dirk Eddelbuettel
To: Debian
Quoting Didier Kryn (k...@in2p3.fr):
> Well, AFAIU, you compile your own kernel, with device drivers
> in the kernel, instead of modules (not possible for all), and don't
> use the packaged kernel/initrd provided by Debian.
That's not _precisely_ what I said, no. (I have nothing against
KatoloZ wrote: "We have put together a solution that consists into
choosing if you want merged-usr at install time. It's available in the
current unstable installer:"
Ooooh, not even Einstein could have arrived at that! Very brainy,
extremely smart!
On Sun, 18 Nov 2018 09:36:18 +0100
KatolaZ wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 18, 2018 at 01:08:41AM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote:
> > Instead, any package diff from Debian should be considered a
> > problem to be fixed. Any patches, instead of removing systemd
> > support, should make things work both with
On Sun, 18 Nov 2018 10:46:13 +0100
Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> KatolaZ - 18.11.18, 09:36:
> > This is not gonna happen, given for instance the way our presence in
> > debian-devel has been "cheered up" (with aggressive posts and
> > personal
>
> The most important aspect here is: "has been".
On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 04:28:42PM +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote:
> KatoloZ wrote: "We have put together a solution that consists into
> choosing if you want merged-usr at install time. It's available in the
> current unstable installer:"
>
> Ooooh, not even Einstein could have arrived at that!
On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 02:32:28AM -0800, Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Didier Kryn (k...@in2p3.fr):
>
> > And what kernel source do you use, kernel.org or Debian?
>
> I'm unclear on what possible use you would have for that information.
It might help those wanting to try it themselves.
--
On Sun, 18 Nov 2018 09:40:14 +0100
KatolaZ wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 18, 2018 at 04:51:43PM +0900, Olaf Meeuwissen wrote:
>
> [cut]
>
> >
> > ACK. Just like to point out that Devuan might run into packages
> > that have already moved programs that really ought to be in /bin
> > or /sbin over to
Steve Litt - 20.11.18, 18:10:
> On Sun, 18 Nov 2018 10:46:13 +0100
>
> Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> > KatolaZ - 18.11.18, 09:36:
[…]
> > Maybe… not just yet.
> >
> > But there certainly is a potential. I am glad about the wonderful
> > cooperation between some Devuan and some Debian developers.
On Sun, 18 Nov 2018 13:09:59 +0100
info at smallinnovations dot nl wrote:
> On 18-11-18 09:36, KatolaZ wrote:
> > This is not gonna happen, given for instance the way our presence in
> > debian-devel has been "cheered up" (with aggressive posts and
> > personal insults). The truth is that too
On Sun, 18 Nov 2018 13:48:47 +0100
KatolaZ wrote:
> The fact that systemd is the default in Debian and that any attempt to
> discuss the possibility of supporting alternatives is mostly seen as
> "trolling" does not make life any easier though.
And even if they promised to support
On Mon, 19 Nov 2018 09:19:31 +0100
KatolaZ wrote:
> It does make a difference since we allow to install from the live,
> using refractainstaller (not d-i). I guess the ISOs themselves will be
> built without a merged usr, and then we will let the user choose if
> they want a merged usr in case
Martin Steigerwald - 20.11.18, 18:22:
> So in my opinion it is good to cooperate so that Devuan can take as
> much as possible from Debian and focus on the packages that actually
> need to be changed for Debian.
For Devuan of course.
--
Martin
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Henrik:
> On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 02:32:28AM -0800, Rick Moen wrote:
> > Quoting Didier Kryn (k...@in2p3.fr):
> >
> > > And what kernel source do you use, kernel.org or Debian?
> >
> > I'm unclear on what possible use you would have for that information.
>
> It might help those wanting to try
On Sun, 18 Nov 2018 14:29:43 -0600
goli...@dyne.org wrote:
> On 2018-11-18 02:32, KatolaZ wrote:
> >
> > Besides the drama: we built yesterday a preliminary version of the
> > debian-installer for beowulf which has an explicit opt-in question
> > for usrmerge:
> >
> >
> >
On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 12:38:24PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Nov 2018 13:09:59 +0100
> info at smallinnovations dot nl wrote:
>
> > On 18-11-18 09:36, KatolaZ wrote:
> > > This is not gonna happen, given for instance the way our presence in
> > > debian-devel has been "cheered up"
On Mon, 19 Nov 2018 12:17:45 +0100
KatolaZ wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> in the last few days we have seen many people going at lengths with
> the pros and cons of a non-merged usr. That has been a great
> discussion. We have put together a solution that consists into
> choosing if you want merged-usr
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