Quoting Didier Kryn (k...@in2p3.fr):
> Files are stored in different directories, that's it for
> clean bookkeeping. Making these directories mountpoint does not add
> any sort of ordering. Only the impression they are more secure.
Here's a real-world example of ordering using filesystem
Le 28/11/2018 à 10:35, Rick Moen a écrit :
Quoting Didier Kryn (k...@in2p3.fr):
Files are stored in different directories, that's it for
clean bookkeeping. Making these directories mountpoint does not add
any sort of ordering. Only the impression they are more secure.
Here's a real-world
On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 02:25:20AM -0800, Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Didier Kryn (k...@in2p3.fr):
>
> > Le 28/11/2018 à 08:11, Rick Moen a écrit :
> > >If I were relying on NFS during early boot, I'd file a bug against package
> > >nfs-common, and also, meanwhile, compile a local-package
Quoting Miroslav Skoric (sko...@uns.ac.rs):
> Hello all,
>
> What is needed to install so that Devuan Jessie recognizes Huawei modems:
>
> - Huawei Mobile Connect - 3G modem (Wintendo sees it as such)
> - Huawei USB modem E3372 4G
> - Huawei Mobile Wifi router E5573C 4G
Try Web-searching for
Quoting Didier Kryn (k...@in2p3.fr):
> Le 28/11/2018 à 08:11, Rick Moen a écrit :
> >If I were relying on NFS during early boot, I'd file a bug against package
> >nfs-common, and also, meanwhile, compile a local-package substitute with
> >either static binaries or ones linked to libs in /lib (and
Quoting Adam Borowski (kilob...@angband.pl):
> Back in 2002, I made a pictorial HOWTO wrt dealing with Wintendo-only
> modems: https://angband.pl/fun/winmodem/ -- as you can see, they can be a
> tough nut to crack. This HOWTO hasn't lost a bit of its value.
You da man!
Back in the 1990s, I was
Quoting Didier Kryn (k...@in2p3.fr):
> IIUC, your argument boils down to "depending on /usr for early boot is
> a *bug*", while Roger told us why it has become a *feature* (~:
My view, which I expressed in detail prior to Roger joining the thread,
is that it's vital to the most vital function
Le 28/11/2018 à 11:25, Rick Moen a écrit :
Quoting Didier Kryn (k...@in2p3.fr):
Le 28/11/2018 à 08:11, Rick Moen a écrit :
If I were relying on NFS during early boot, I'd file a bug against package
nfs-common, and also, meanwhile, compile a local-package substitute with
either static binaries
Quoting Alessandro Selli (alessandrose...@linux.com):
> Can you name me one distribution other than Red Hat (which in
> fact is not a desktop-friendly distribution) that does not allow one to
> "do their own partition setup"?
I'm curious, Alessandro: Is RHEL now completely hostile to custom
Quoting Erik Christiansen (dva...@internode.on.net):
> I'm still getting my head around the concept of having separate /var and
> then symlinking /var/spool back into /home. Admittedly, I do in effect
> something like that for mail, as procmail (invoked directly by postfix)
> dumps 99.9% of mail
Quoting KatolaZ (kato...@freaknet.org):
> Roger has also explained that the rants about "not being able to boot
> with a separate /usr and without initramfs" are totally pointeless,
> since this has been the case in Debian and all the derivatives at
> least since Wheezy was testing (i.e., about 7
Quoting Rod Rodolico (r...@dailydata.net):
> FWIW, I run several servers and I tried doing without swap a few years
> ago. I think it was Wheezy, but it may be even older. If memory serves
> me well, it was a couple of Xen DOM0's, and I was careful to allocate my
> DOMU's so that I had 8-12G of
FWIW, I run several servers and I tried doing without swap a few years
ago. I think it was Wheezy, but it may be even older. If memory serves
me well, it was a couple of Xen DOM0's, and I was careful to allocate my
DOMU's so that I had 8-12G of RAM just for the DOM0.
I ended up with some erratic
Quoting Didier Kryn (k...@in2p3.fr):
> It seems to me you're fighting to get the last bit of performance out
> of mechanical hard drives, including by using different filesystems
> for different partitions, which makes a lot of sense for servers.
No, not any more. Those configuration details
On 11/29/2018 01:44 AM, goli...@dyne.org wrote:
On 2018-11-29 00:22, Steve Litt wrote:
My understanding is that Devuan will ask in the fresh installer whether
the user wants to merge or not, with the default being no merge. This
is fine with me.
I installed a test beowulf mini.iso a few
On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 13:27:04 +0100
Stephan Seitz wrote:
> On Mi, Nov 28, 2018 at 12:11:25 +0100, Didier Kryn wrote:
> > IIUC, your argument boils down to "depending on /usr for early
> >boot is a *bug*", while Roger told us why it has become a *feature*
> >(~:
>
> You can discuss if this
On 2018-11-29 00:22, Steve Litt wrote:
My understanding is that Devuan will ask in the fresh installer whether
the user wants to merge or not, with the default being no merge. This
is fine with me.
I installed a test beowulf mini.iso a few days ago and there was indeed
an option to merge.
On Fri, 23 Nov 2018 15:52:54 +0100
KatolaZ wrote:
> Roger has also explained that the rants about "not being able to boot
> with a separate /usr and without initramfs" are totally pointeless,
> since this has been the case in Debian and all the derivatives at
> least since Wheezy was testing
On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 12:11:25 +0100
Didier Kryn wrote:
> IIUC, your argument boils down to "depending on /usr for early
> boot is a *bug*", while Roger told us why it has become a *feature*
> (~:
I can think of very few cases where a disallowed usage is a feature.
Private and local
On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 12:11:25PM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote:
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>
> It would certainly be possible to move all applications and dynamic
> libraries needed for early boot from the /usr tree to /bin, /sbin and /lib,
> but Debian has made a different choice. In the case of NFS, I agree that
On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 12:45:25PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 02:25:20AM -0800, Rick Moen wrote:
> > Quoting Didier Kryn (k...@in2p3.fr):
> >
> > > Le 28/11/2018 à 08:11, Rick Moen a écrit :
> > > >If I were relying on NFS during early boot, I'd file a bug against
> > >
On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 08:37:12AM +0100, Jaromil wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Nov 2018, Linux O'Beardly wrote:
>
> >I don't want to be "that American," so I'm writing to ask: will this
> >conference will be done primarily in English or another language?
>
> it will be entirely in english. Also
On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 12:11:25PM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote:
> Instead, it
> seems /lib has become a holly directory where only the libc and the dynamic
> linker are allowed to live.
I do *not* mean this sarcastically; I am confused.
Is "holly" a new technical use of an existing English word?
Or
On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 03:36:12AM -0800, Rick Moen wrote:
>
> (This is why I tend not to waste time hyperventilating about dumb distro
> policy decisions: Submit a bug. If it's rejected or never acted on,
> just make a local configuration that works around the stupid distro
> action, and move
On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 11:11:41PM -0800, Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting KatolaZ (kato...@freaknet.org):
>
> > # ldd /sbin/mount.nfs | grep "/usr"
> > libgssapi_krb5.so.2 =>
> > /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgssapi_krb5.so.2 (0x7f82f53ac000)
> > libkrb5.so.3 =>
On 28/11/2018 11:36, Rick Moen wrote:
Quoting Didier Kryn (k...@in2p3.fr):
IIUC, your argument boils down to "depending on /usr for early boot is
a *bug*", while Roger told us why it has become a *feature* (~:
My view, which I expressed in detail prior to Roger joining the thread,
is that
On Mi, Nov 28, 2018 at 12:11:25 +0100, Didier Kryn wrote:
IIUC, your argument boils down to "depending on /usr for early boot
is a *bug*", while Roger told us why it has become a *feature* (~:
You can discuss if this is a feature but the fact is that most
distributions have given up
On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 04:04:18AM -0800, Rick Moen wrote:
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>
> > and there is little we can do to avoid that...
>
> Um..., didn't I just describe what I'm likely to do to avoid that?
> I could swear I did.
>
Yeah, on a personal level you can do that, and I totally agree. On a
Quoting KatolaZ (kato...@freaknet.org):
> Yeah, on a personal level you can do that, and I totally agree. On a
> distribution level, and with the current number of active developers
> in Devuan, the way forward is that people with interest in the matter
> to roll their sleeves up and do something
On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 03:36:12AM -0800, Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Didier Kryn (k...@in2p3.fr):
>
> > IIUC, your argument boils down to "depending on /usr for early boot is
> > a *bug*", while Roger told us why it has become a *feature* (~:
>
> My view, which I expressed in detail prior to
Quoting KatolaZ (kato...@freaknet.org):
> Great. This is your opinion. We got it.
Apologies if I annoyed. I restated that view only becaused Didier said
'IIUC, your argument boils down to "depending on /usr for early boot is
a *bug*", while Roger told us why it has become a *feature* (~:', and
Quoting KatolaZ (kato...@freaknet.org):
> Unfortunately, most of this thread has been just about "oh look how
> cool MY setup is, oh I went around that, oh I tried this and that, oh
> I want to have /var on a tmpfs, oh I mount /usr over NFS and you
> should try it as well..." and so on and so
Quoting Stephan Seitz (stse+dev...@fsing.rootsland.net):
> You can discuss if this is a feature but the fact is that most
> distributions have given up supporting a separate /usr in later
> boot.
>
> So any bugreport against lvm2 or nfs-common will be closed because
> it is not a supported use
On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 03:00:40AM -0800, Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Didier Kryn (k...@in2p3.fr):
>
> > For what concerns, laptops, I think we are in the era of ssd
> > and, unfortunately, there is usually only one disk drive per laptop,
> > except of older ones where the cdrom drive can be
Rich Moen:
> Quoting KatolaZ (kato...@freaknet.org):
...
> > # ldd /bin/ps | grep "/usr"
> > liblz4.so.1 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/liblz4.so.1
> > (0x7fd7f6ebc000)
>
> Yeah, those two are really annoying. FWIW, my server system has older
> versions of those two utilities that do
Jaromil,
Thanks for the quick response. I don't know if I'll make it; airfare from
the states to Europe is a very expensive luxury, but I certainly hope to
and look forward to fraternizing with the Devuan community.
*Linux O'Beardly*
linux.obear...@gmail.com
http://o.beard.ly
On Wed, Nov 28,
Quoting Hendrik Boom (hend...@topoi.pooq.com):
> On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 12:11:25PM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote:
>
> > Instead, it
> > seems /lib has become a holly directory where only the libc and the dynamic
> > linker are allowed to live.
>
> I do *not* mean this sarcastically; I am confused.
Quoting Rick Moen :
> Quoting Linux O'Beardly (linux.obear...@gmail.com):
>> Thanks for the quick response. I don't know if I'll make it; airfare
>> from the states to Europe is a very expensive luxury [...]
> (Hi, son of a commercial airline captain, here.)
> International (IAD).
Quoting Linux O'Beardly (linux.obear...@gmail.com):
> Thanks for the quick response. I don't know if I'll make it; airfare from
> the states to Europe is a very expensive luxury [...]
(Hi, son of a commercial airline captain, here.)
Mark, I would encourage you to look into the exceptions. I
Quoting Hendrik Boom (hend...@topoi.pooq.com):
> On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 03:36:12AM -0800, Rick Moen wrote:
> >
> > (This is why I tend not to waste time hyperventilating about dumb distro
> > policy decisions: Submit a bug. If it's rejected or never acted on,
> > just make a local
Quoting Jamey Fletcher (ja...@beau.org):
> Quoting Rick Moen :
>
> > Quoting Linux O'Beardly (linux.obear...@gmail.com):
>
> >> Thanks for the quick response. I don't know if I'll make it; airfare
> >> from the states to Europe is a very expensive luxury [...]
>
> > (Hi, son of a commercial
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