[DNG] [OT] The End of Trust

For your reading pleasure: https://www.eff.org/the-end-of-trust Most of it is familiar but I did discover something that I didn't know. Tucked away in the sidebar on page 226 is this interesting factoid: "The website freedom-to-tinker.com, hosted by Princeton’s Center for Information

Re: [DNG] RFC - Linux From Scratch

Quoting g4sra (g4...@yahoo.co.uk): > The relaying of others opinion is useful, however I would prefer to hear > it from the horses mouth. FWIW, I note that what I related seems to match the view of local users with personal LFS experience. That's not just "others' opinion". That's two highly

Re: [DNG] Devuan for Raspberry Pi fried SD CARD.

On 03/12/18 at 10:05, Adam Borowski wrote: > realtime greatly reduces atime writes, but it's still too much.   I wouldn't say so.  Since relatime updates atime only relative to the present ctime and mtime, it's only changed when one of those two is changed.  That is, updating atime does not

Re: [DNG] RFC - Linux From Scratch

* On 2018 03 Dec 04:10 -0600, KatolaZ wrote: > However, I think LFS it's not a particularly good solution for > everyday use, but this depends a lot on what is your definition of > "everyday use". You'd probably better suited with something like > gentoo or Slackware, maybe (but they are both

Re: [DNG] Devuan for Raspberry Pi fried SD CARD.

On 12/3/18 3:24 AM, Steve Litt wrote: On Sun, 2 Dec 2018 11:10:20 -0800 Bruce Ferrell wrote: Yeah, this IS one of the issues around flash/SSD storage... They run fast and wear out faster. The preceding sentence is true but it's not the whole truth. If one uses SSD the way they would

Re: [DNG] Devuan for Raspberry Pi fried SD CARD.

On Mon, Dec 03, 2018 at 10:33:44AM +0100, Alessandro Selli wrote: > On 03/12/18 at 10:05, Adam Borowski wrote: > > realtime greatly reduces atime writes, but it's still too much. > >   I wouldn't say so.  Since relatime updates atime only relative to the > present ctime and mtime, it's only

[DNG] RFC - Linux From Scratch

No I am not trying to start a Distro flame war, I am seeking facts not opinions. As someone has already pointed out on this mailing list Linux Distros in general are taking away the freedom to customise (in particular for a specific User case). I get that maintenance is an issue, but only because

Re: [DNG] RFC - Linux From Scratch

Quoting g4sra (g4...@yahoo.co.uk): > I was pondering whether LFS will suit the corner cases which > even Devuan cannot reach. [...] > Has anyone here have actual practical experience of using LFS to build > anything moderate (or larger). If so, how much work did it take and was > the effort worth

[DNG] Devuan for Raspberry Pi fried SD CARD.

Running "update-rc.d rsyslog disable 2" resulted in error messages like the following: ERROR MESSAGE: insserv: warning: current start runlevel(s) A of script 'rsyslog' overrides LSB defaults B There were four lines with similar text but with A and B as follows: a) A = (3 4 5); B = (2 3 4 5) b) A

Re: [DNG] RFC - Linux From Scratch

I went through the LFS book and installation about ten years ago and did not keep it around as my daily driver. One soon learns the benefits of a binary distribution and the teams that provide just needed things like security updates that are integrated with the rest of the system. After using

Re: [DNG] Devuan for Raspberry Pi fried SD CARD.

On Sun, 2 Dec 2018 11:10:20 -0800 Bruce Ferrell wrote: > Yeah, this IS one of the issues around flash/SSD storage... They run > fast and wear out faster. The preceding sentence is true but it's not the whole truth. If one uses SSD the way they would spinning rust, that being run it 80% to 90%

Re: [DNG] RFC - Linux From Scratch

On Mon, 3 Dec 2018 11:12:11 +0100, KatolaZ wrote in message <20181203101211.r7bp2l4nnid7b...@katolaz.homeunix.net>: > On Mon, Dec 03, 2018 at 09:49:06AM +, g4sra wrote: > > [cut] > > > Has anyone here have actual practical experience of using LFS to > > build anything moderate (or larger).

Re: [DNG] Devuan for Raspberry Pi fried SD CARD.

Il 03/12/18 12:53, Alessandro Selli ha scritto: > On 03/12/18 at 11:30, Edward Bartolo wrote: >> Running "update-rc.d rsyslog disable 2" resulted in error messages >> like the following: >> >> ERROR MESSAGE: >> insserv: warning: current start runlevel(s) A of script 'rsyslog' >> overrides LSB

Re: [DNG] Request for comments - training room

g4sra wrote: > To clarify some points raised. > > 1) Approx 200 trainees each year, the full course is three years long (but > class size will be 30 maximum at any one session). By year 3... 600 Users. > After year 3 the trainees details may be purged and resources reclaimed so > the server

Re: [DNG] Devuan for Raspberry Pi fried SD CARD.

Quoting Alessandro Selli (alessandrose...@linux.com): >   Good idea. Well, in the name of international amity # touch NIENTE_E_MONTATO_QUI # chattr +i NIENTE_E_MONTATO_QUI ;-> ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [DNG] Devuan for Raspberry Pi fried SD CARD.

On 03/12/18 at 11:30, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Running "update-rc.d rsyslog disable 2" resulted in error messages > like the following: > > ERROR MESSAGE: > insserv: warning: current start runlevel(s) A of script 'rsyslog' > overrides LSB defaults B > > There were four lines with similar text but

Re: [DNG] Devuan for Raspberry Pi fried SD CARD.

On 12/3/18 1:16 PM, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Nevermind, I found that prepending a symlink with a 'K' in /etc/rcN.d > is to disable that script. See "man update-rc.d" for the official tool for that. /Lars ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [DNG] RFC - Linux From Scratch

On Mon, Dec 03, 2018 at 09:49:06AM +, g4sra wrote: [cut] > Has anyone here have actual practical experience of using LFS to build > anything moderate (or larger). If so, how much work did it take and was > the effort worth it in the long run, were there any shortcomings ? I have used LFS

Re: [DNG] Devuan for Raspberry Pi fried SD CARD.

On 03/12/18 at 10:50, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Mon, Dec 03, 2018 at 10:33:44AM +0100, Alessandro Selli wrote: >> On 03/12/18 at 10:05, Adam Borowski wrote: >>> realtime greatly reduces atime writes, but it's still too much. >>   I wouldn't say so.  Since relatime updates atime only relative to

Re: [DNG] RFC - Linux From Scratch

On 12/3/18 3:52 AM, g4sra wrote: I've not used LFS. I've talked to many people who have. Thank you for the reply, but you do not quite fit the demographic I was looking for. Well, maybe *I* fit your demographic then... In my 40 year career, I've worked IBM systems, Mainframe and desktop,

Re: [DNG] Request for comments - training room

From my perspective, this topic has had some very interesting contributions. Thank you all whom have contributed. To pick out just one as an example, I had considered NIS\YP to be (or rather didn't consider because) all but defunct, and not taken it's simplicity and reliability over other methods

Re: [DNG] Request for comments - training room

On 12/3/18 5:22 AM, g4sra wrote: >From my perspective, this topic has had some very interesting contributions. Thank you all whom have contributed. To pick out just one as an example, I had considered NIS\YP to be (or rather didn't consider because) all but defunct, and not taken it's

Re: [DNG] Request for comments - training room

Am Montag, 3. Dezember 2018 schrieb Rowland Penny: > On Mon, 3 Dec 2018 13:22:40 + > g4sra wrote: > > > From my perspective, this topic has had some very interesting > > contributions. Thank you all whom have contributed. > > > > To pick out just one as an example, I had considered NIS\YP

Re: [DNG] Request for comments - training room

On Mon, 3 Dec 2018 15:25:14 +0100 "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" wrote: > Am Montag, 3. Dezember 2018 schrieb Rowland Penny: > > On Mon, 3 Dec 2018 14:58:24 +0100 > > [...] > > > > No it doesn't, but then neither does Linux ;-) > > > > If you really wanted this, I am sure it is scriptable > > > > As for

Re: [DNG] Request for comments - training room

On Mon, 3 Dec 2018 14:58:24 +0100 "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" wrote: > Am Montag, 3. Dezember 2018 schrieb Rowland Penny: > > On Mon, 3 Dec 2018 13:22:40 + > > g4sra wrote: > > > > > From my perspective, this topic has had some very interesting > > > contributions. Thank you all whom have

Re: [DNG] Request for comments - training room

On Mon, 3 Dec 2018 13:22:40 + g4sra wrote: > From my perspective, this topic has had some very interesting > contributions. Thank you all whom have contributed. > > To pick out just one as an example, I had considered NIS\YP to be (or > rather didn't consider because) all but defunct, and

Re: [DNG] Request for comments - training room

> On 4 Dec 2018, at 00:51, Bruce Ferrell wrote: > > I've found that AD is VERY sensitive to time differences, even in a pure > windows environment. How Windows admins tolerate it I have yet to figure out. That would be from Kerberos? That’s a requirement regardless of using AD or MIT

Re: [DNG] RFC - Linux From Scratch

Le 03/12/2018 à 10:49, g4sra a écrit : Has anyone here have actual practical experience of using LFS to build anything moderate (or larger).     I've tried it, I tink it was a version with Musl. Anyway, this is, IMHO, essentially didactic as well as a proof that Linux *can* be built from

Re: [DNG] Request for comments - training room

Am Montag, 3. Dezember 2018 schrieb Simon Hobson: > Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > > > Hm ... on devuan mailinglist asking for trainingroom setup for 600 active > > user? I don't think server nor clients are M$-based, but I could be wrong > > here :-) > > Windoze isn't the only GUI desktop

Re: [DNG] Devuan for Raspberry Pi fried SD CARD.

Nevermind, I found that prepending a symlink with a 'K' in /etc/rcN.d is to disable that script. Thanks everyone, especially Dr Klepp. -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) If you cannot make abstructions about details you do not understand

Re: [DNG] Request for comments - training room

On Mon, 3 Dec 2018 05:51:30 -0800 Bruce Ferrell wrote: > On 12/3/18 5:22 AM, g4sra wrote: > > >From my perspective, this topic has had some very interesting > > contributions. Thank you all whom have contributed. > > > > To pick out just one as an example, I had considered NIS\YP to be > > (or

Re: [DNG] Request for comments - training room

Am Montag, 3. Dezember 2018 schrieb Rowland Penny: > On Mon, 3 Dec 2018 14:58:24 +0100 > [...] > > > No it doesn't, but then neither does Linux ;-) > > > If you really wanted this, I am sure it is scriptable > > > As for which to use, an NFS or SMB mounted /home , most people seem > > > to use

Re: [DNG] Request for comments - training room

Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > Hm ... on devuan mailinglist asking for trainingroom setup for 600 active > user? I don't think server nor clients are M$-based, but I could be wrong > here :-) Windoze isn't the only GUI desktop around ;-) ___ Dng

[DNG] systemd killed the NIS star [was: Re: Request for comments - training room]

On 03/12/18 at 14:51, Bruce Ferrell wrote: > On 12/3/18 5:22 AM, g4sra wrote: >> >From my perspective, this topic has had some very interesting >> contributions. Thank you all whom have contributed. >> >> To pick out just one as an example, I had considered NIS\YP to be (or >> rather didn't

Re: [DNG] Request for comments - training room

On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 2:40 PM Rowland Penny wrote: > On Sun, 2 Dec 2018 14:28:25 +0100 > Tomasz Kundera wrote: > > > You can still use NIS if you don't need the power (and complexity) of > > samba. > > > > NIS is a bit outdated and Samba isn't that complex from a Linux point > of view. > It

Re: [DNG] Request for comments - training room

On 03/12/18 at 18:19, Tomasz Kundera wrote: > On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 2:40 PM Rowland Penny > wrote: > > On Sun, 2 Dec 2018 14:28:25 +0100 > Tomasz Kundera mailto:tnkund...@gmail.com>> > wrote: > > > You can still use NIS if you don't need the power (and >

Re: [DNG] Request for comments - training room

On Mon, 3 Dec 2018 18:46:13 +0100 Alessandro Selli wrote: > On 03/12/18 at 18:19, Tomasz Kundera wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 2:40 PM Rowland Penny > > wrote: > > > > On Sun, 2 Dec 2018 14:28:25 +0100 > > Tomasz Kundera > >

Re: [DNG] Request for comments - training room

On Mon, 3 Dec 2018 18:19:04 +0100 Tomasz Kundera wrote: > On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 2:40 PM Rowland Penny wrote: > > > On Sun, 2 Dec 2018 14:28:25 +0100 > > Tomasz Kundera wrote: > > > > > You can still use NIS if you don't need the power (and > > > complexity) of samba. > > > > > > > NIS is a

Re: [DNG] Request for comments - training room

Bruce Ferrell wrote: > I've found that AD is VERY sensitive to time differences, even in a pure > windows environment. How Windows admins tolerate it I have yet to figure out. AIUI the DEFAULT in a Windoze network is that all the Domain Controllers are also time servers (not NTP, MS's own

Re: [DNG] Request for comments - training room

On Mon, 3 Dec 2018 15:35:12 +0100 "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" wrote: > Am Montag, 3. Dezember 2018 schrieb Simon Hobson: > > Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > > > > > Hm ... on devuan mailinglist asking for trainingroom setup for > > > 600 active user? I don't think server nor clients are M$-based, > > >

Re: [DNG] packages.devuan.org is not updated for a long time

On Sun, Dec 02, 2018 at 11:50:14PM +0100, Alessandro Selli wrote: [cut] > > >   Yes, we're supposed to use deb.devuan.org.  However, it has issues > with SSL certificates and some mirror repositories if I configure it to > work over https: > deb.devuan.org does *not* work over https. If you

Re: [DNG] Devuan for Raspberry Pi fried SD CARD.

http://hacks.slashdirt.org/sw/flashybrid/ Someone with non-systemd will have to suck it and see. That someone will be me if no-one else has done it by Valentines Day. On 02/12/2018 23:11, Alessandro Selli wrote: > OnIl 02/12/18 at 22:58, g4sra wrote: >> I have found flashybrid extremely

Re: [DNG] packages.devuan.org is not updated for a long time

On Sun, Dec 02, 2018 at 09:27:16PM +0300, Hleb Valoshka wrote: > cat /etc/apt/sources.list > deb http://packages.devuan.org/merged ceres main contrib non-free > > sudo apt update > Hit:1 http://packages.roundr.devuan.org/merged ceres InRelease > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency

Re: [DNG] Request for comments - training room

Am Montag, 3. Dezember 2018 schrieb g4sra: > Some very useful feedback from you guys already, thanks. > > Don't forget standard best practices, backups of system and user's data, > selective updates and security patches must be manually applied > following proper change control procedures. > >

Re: [DNG] Devuan for Raspberry Pi fried SD CARD.

On Mon, Dec 03, 2018 at 02:05:29PM +1100, Erik Christiansen wrote: > On 03.12.18 00:47, Adam Borowski wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 02, 2018 at 11:53:39PM +0100, Alessandro Selli wrote: > > > On 02/12/18 at 17:23, Adam Borowski wrote: > > > > You'd want to set noatime on every machine > > > > you