This serves as a marker. I'll explain later.
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On Fri, Jul 30, 2021 at 08:02:59PM +1000, wirelessduck--- via Dng wrote:
>
>
> > On 30 Jul 2021, at 05:15, Steve Litt wrote:
> >
> > Riccardo Mottola said on Thu, 29 Jul 2021 16:07:11 +0200
> >
> >> Sometimes you can find another card, but that is not always possible.
> >> Rarely you can
On Fri, Jul 30, 2021 at 11:22:56PM +1000, terryc wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 21:07:43 +0900
> Olaf Meeuwissen via Dng wrote:
>
> > Hi g4sra,
> >
> > g4sra via Dng writes:
> >
> > > <--snip-->
> > > This is why Devuan's installer will ask\prompt you to insert
> > > additional installation
Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult said on Fri, 30 Jul 2021 15:24:07 +0200
>In kernel space, we have the golden rule of not doing any larger stack
>allocations, even not larger fixed sized arrays.
Larger than how much? Surely
bestdistro[12]; strncpy(bestdistro, "Devuan", strlen("Devuan"));
Hendrik Boom said on Thu, 29 Jul 2021 20:10:24 -0400
>On Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 04:57:44PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
>> al3xu5 said on Thu, 29 Jul 2021 17:33:10 +0200
>> >
>> >11) Document and document and document all the code (vars,
>> >functions, errors etc. ... all)
>>
>> I do that: Nobody
On Friday 30 July 2021 at 22:30:34, Rowland Penny via Dng wrote:
> On Fri, 2021-07-30 at 22:18 +0200, Antony Stone wrote:
> > On Friday 30 July 2021 at 22:04:28, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> > > On Fri, Jul 30, 2021 at 07:13:43PM +0100, Rowland Penny wrote:
> > > > We also have a habit of having letters
On Saturday 31 July 2021 at 00:27:16, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 23:14:36 +0200, Antony wrote in meesage:
>
> > I also caused some confusion when asking for directions to
> > "Schenectady" in New York State, USA, some years ago.
>
> ..aouch. What sort of shenanigans did that
On 30.07.21 00:32, Josef Grosch via Dng wrote:
Global variables are a disaster looking for a place to happen, avoid at
all cost. The scope of variables should be as small as possible.
it depends ... for small programs where you really *know* (by
definition) there really may only be one
Steve Litt said on Thu, 22 Jul 2021 13:48:44 -0400
>Hi all,
>
>We need a meeting topic for August 4, 2021, 7pm Eastern time. Who can
>give a presentation on a free software topic?
I will be presenting at August 4, 2021 GoLUG meeting. The presentation
will be a set of software rules of the road,
On Fri, Jul 30, 2021 at 1:13 PM Rowland Penny via Dng
wrote:
> On Fri, 2021-07-30 at 13:57 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> > Hendrik Boom said on Thu, 29 Jul 2021 20:31:26 -0400>
> >
> >
> > > And it's kind of amazing how these different versions have
> > > grammatical
> > > differences, not kust
On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 18:10:34 -0400, Steve wrote in message
<20210730181034.418a3...@mydesk.domain.cxm>:
> This email was to mark the point I got to in my outline of everything
> that's been said in the DNG software authoring standards, because my
> email client (claws-mail) doesn't have a
On 21.07.21 14:36, Didier Kryn wrote:
I want to add to the comments that this alloca() function has been
added (by gcc ?) to work around a missing feature of the C language:
dynamic allocation on the stack.
What you *actually* want is not "on stack" (directly), but automatically
freed
On Fri, 2021-07-30 at 13:57 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> Hendrik Boom said on Thu, 29 Jul 2021 20:31:26 -0400
>
>
> > And it's kind of amazing how these different versions have
> > grammatical
> > differences, not kust spelling and vocabulary.
> >
> > Unfortunately, it's currently not accessible,
On Friday 30 July 2021 at 22:04:28, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 30, 2021 at 07:13:43PM +0100, Rowland Penny via Dng wrote:
>
> > This is sort of what I was getting at, English is a language that
> > changes over time, unfortunately not all English speaking nations keep
> > up, for
If you want this, it's easy enough to allocate your own stack, and write
functions that allocate from it and release the allocation. If you were
writing in C++, you could make releasing the allocation automatic.
I think this illustrates why the kernel developers are taking Rust
seriously.
On
On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 18:10:34 -0400
Steve Litt wrote:
> This email was to mark the point I got to in my outline of everything
> that's been said in the DNG software authoring standards, because my
> email client (claws-mail) doesn't have a bookmarking capability, as
> far as I know.
I also use
Josef Grosch via Dng said on Thu, 29 Jul 2021 15:32:05 -0700
>Another suggestion I have is to use the variable and method naming
>convention that java uses. I like the way it looks and I think camel
>case is more readable than snake case.
This reminds me of something not yet in the outline.
This email was to mark the point I got to in my outline of everything
that's been said in the DNG software authoring standards, because my
email client (claws-mail) doesn't have a bookmarking capability, as far
as I know.
SteveT
Steve Litt said on Fri, 30 Jul 2021 15:58:07 -0400
>This serves
On 21.07.21 13:34, d...@d404.nl wrote:
Great initiative. I am currently using Alpine combined with s6-overlay
in most of my docker containers and it works very well.
Just curious: what are you using a s6 inside docker containers for ?
I've always been under the impression that docker
On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 20:04:17 +0100
Rowland Penny via Dng wrote:
> On Fri, 2021-07-30 at 13:55 -0500, o1bigtenor wrote:
> ... at least we don't describe things as male or
> female as some of the European languages do.
We're starting to.
There's this push that "man" doesn't mean "human".
Hendrik Boom said on Thu, 29 Jul 2021 20:31:26 -0400
>And it's kind of amazing how these different versions have grammatical
>differences, not kust spelling and vocabulary.
>
>Unfortunately, it's currently not accessible, so I can't give you any
>examples.
London: He's in hospital.
Chicago:
On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 13:40:30 -0400
Steve Litt wrote:
> g4sra via Dng said on Thu, 29 Jul 2021 21:16:31 +
>
>
> [...]
>
> O!
>
> Makes perfect sense now. Thanks g4sra and spiralofhope. That's a good
> idea, although one screenfull sounds a little too short for prose, to
>
Sorry in advance, it was too hard to resist the following "correction."
I'm from the America, so when I hear noun used without article, it's
like fingernails on blackboard (or for those too young to know what
blackboard is, nasty screeching out of malfunctioning sound card).
Steve Litt wrote:
>
Antony Stone said on Fri, 30 Jul 2021 23:14:36 +0200
>On Friday 30 July 2021 at 22:50:22, Antony Stone wrote:
>
>> On Friday 30 July 2021 at 22:30:34, Rowland Penny via Dng wrote:
>> > On Fri, 2021-07-30 at 22:18 +0200, Antony Stone wrote:
>> > > On Friday 30 July 2021 at 22:04:28, Hendrik
On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 16:35:52 +0200, Didier wrote in message
<74e5400a-5e8c-4a22-d673-5f181644e...@in2p3.fr>:
> Le 29/07/2021 à 20:10, Andreas Messer a écrit :
> > On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 03:58:02PM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote:
> >> With all respect due to your work, I tend to think that with
On Thu, 29 Jul 2021 20:10:24 -0400, Hendrik wrote in message
<20210730001024.rjm4r3fxejkxe...@topoi.pooq.com>:
> On Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 04:57:44PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> > al3xu5 said on Thu, 29 Jul 2021 17:33:10 +0200
> > >
> > >11) Document and document and document all the code (vars,
On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 23:14:36 +0200, Antony wrote in message
<202107302314.36917.antony.st...@devuan.open.source.it>:
> I also caused some confusion when asking for directions to
> "Schenectady" in New York State, USA, some years ago.
..aouch. What sort of shenanigans did that cause? ;o)
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On Thu, 2021-07-29 at 18:07 -0400, . via Dng wrote:
> On 7/29/21 6:00 AM, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote:
> > American != English
> >
> > Rowland
>
> Also,
>
> British != English
>
> Canadian != English
>
> Indian != English
>
> Australian != English
>
> Ugandan !=
> On 7/28/21 1:12 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
>> [ Beverity ]
>> Does anyone have other list items to add?
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> On 30 Jul 2021, at 05:15, Steve Litt wrote:
>
> Riccardo Mottola said on Thu, 29 Jul 2021 16:07:11 +0200
>
>> Sometimes you can find another card, but that is not always possible.
>> Rarely you can know exactly what is inside a Laptop on beforehand.
>
> Riccardo,
>
> You just reminded
On Fri, 2021-07-30 at 11:59 +0200, John Hughes wrote:
> On 30/07/2021 09:39, Rowland Penny via Dng wrote:
> > No, Chaucer == Old English
> > There is no one in England that speaks Old English in normal life
> >
> > You are quite right though, the only real English is from England,
> > the
> >
On Fri, 2021-07-30 at 11:56 +0200, Harald Arnesen wrote:
> Rowland Penny via Dng [30.07.2021 09:39]:
>
> > No, Chaucer == Old English
> > There is no one in England that speaks Old English in normal life
> >
> > You are quite right though, the only real English is from England,
> > the
> > rest
Hi Tito, list,
tito via Dng writes:
> On Thu, 29 Jul 2021 17:16:31 +
> g4sra via Dng wrote:
>
> [...snip...]
>>
>> > What am I missing?
>>
>> All the 'other' Drivers that people are complaining are NOT in the
>> netinstall ISO's.
>> I don't understand the point you are making in adding up
On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 21:05:18 +0900
Olaf Meeuwissen wrote:
> Hi Tito, list,
>
> tito via Dng writes:
>
> > On Thu, 29 Jul 2021 17:16:31 +
> > g4sra via Dng wrote:
> >
> > [...snip...]
> >>
> >> > What am I missing?
> >>
> >> All the 'other' Drivers that people are complaining are NOT in
On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 21:07:43 +0900
Olaf Meeuwissen via Dng wrote:
> Hi g4sra,
>
> g4sra via Dng writes:
>
> > <--snip-->
> > This is why Devuan's installer will ask\prompt you to insert
> > additional installation media such as a USB stick. There are just
> > too many Gigabytes of Drivers
Hi Hendrik,
Hendrik Boom wrote (among other things):
> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 06:49:22PM +0900, Olaf Meeuwissen wrote:
>> Hi Hendrik,
>>
>> Silly question perhaps, but do you have a system-log-daemon installed?
>>
>> dpkg-query -W | grep syslog
>>
>> should tell you. The most likely one to
Hi g4sra,
g4sra via Dng writes:
> <--snip-->
> This is why Devuan's installer will ask\prompt you to insert additional
> installation media such as a USB stick.
> There are just too many Gigabytes of Drivers required to satisfy every corner
> case, put the drivers your quirky hardware requires
Le 29/07/2021 à 20:10, Andreas Messer a écrit :
> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 03:58:02PM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote:
>> With all respect due to your work, I tend to think that with such
>> expensive and dangerous machines, more investment should be put into
>> hardware so as to get controllers with
On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 23:31:39 +0200
Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Jul 2021 20:10:24 -0400, Hendrik wrote in message
>
> > I ofter predocument -- explain what my code is intended to do
> > before I write it.
>
> ...and what a lot of bug hunters would wanna have handy to answer the
> "What
g4sra via Dng said on Thu, 29 Jul 2021 21:16:31 +
>If I correctly interpret spiralofhope's meaning
>
>Regard the document itself as if it was pseudocode.
>Apply the rules of the document to the document e.g.
>
>1) keep the document as short as possible
>...
>3) all of a paragraph must fit on
spiralofhope said on Fri, 30 Jul 2021 11:28:27 -0700
>On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 13:40:30 -0400
>Steve Litt wrote:
>
>> g4sra via Dng said on Thu, 29 Jul 2021 21:16:31 +
>>
>>
>> [...]
>>
>> O!
>>
>> Makes perfect sense now. Thanks g4sra and spiralofhope. That's a good
>> idea,
On Fri, 2021-07-30 at 13:55 -0500, o1bigtenor wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 30, 2021 at 1:13 PM Rowland Penny via Dng <
> dng@lists.dyne.org> wrote:
> > On Fri, 2021-07-30 at 13:57 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> > > Hendrik Boom said on Thu, 29 Jul 2021 20:31:26 -0400>
> > >
> > >
> > > > And it's kind
On Fri, Jul 30, 2021 at 07:13:43PM +0100, Rowland Penny via Dng wrote:
> On Fri, 2021-07-30 at 13:57 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> > Hendrik Boom said on Thu, 29 Jul 2021 20:31:26 -0400
> >
> >
> > > And it's kind of amazing how these different versions have
> > > grammatical
> > > differences, not
On Fri, 2021-07-30 at 22:18 +0200, Antony Stone wrote:
> On Friday 30 July 2021 at 22:04:28, Hendrik Boom wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Jul 30, 2021 at 07:13:43PM +0100, Rowland Penny via Dng
> > wrote:
> >
> > > This is sort of what I was getting at, English is a language that
> > > changes over time,
On Friday 30 July 2021 at 22:50:22, Antony Stone wrote:
> On Friday 30 July 2021 at 22:30:34, Rowland Penny via Dng wrote:
> > On Fri, 2021-07-30 at 22:18 +0200, Antony Stone wrote:
> > > On Friday 30 July 2021 at 22:04:28, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> > > > On Fri, Jul 30, 2021 at 07:13:43PM +0100,
On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 14:31:17 +0200
tito via Dng wrote:
> ... If I understood it correctly the
> problem is about adding the drivers and firmware blobs which are in
> the non-free repos to the isos and install images ...
Let me repeat it once: the installer isos do contain all packages named
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