[Dng] UEFI, GPT

2015-01-19 Thread rlfrost
Just to clear up the EFI misconception, Debian can be installed on EFI computers. I run it on three of my own-- 2 Acer desktops and 1 ASUS laptop. I use rEFind as a boot manager, as it it very straightforward, and does a very nice job with all OS entries. I understand that there are instruct

Re: [Dng] libsysdev preview

2015-01-19 Thread Jude Nelson
Hi Isaac, > I was asking about implementation details (something like the HACKING > document that many projects have, giving an overview of how it works > internally). Good idea; I'll add one. > I'm getting the impression that libsysdev won't really make a good > backend for the udev API; libude

Re: [Dng] libsysdev preview

2015-01-19 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 08:56:10PM -0500, Jude Nelson wrote: > Regarding the architecture, I have a design document here: > http://judecnelson.blogspot.com/2015/01/introducing-vdev.html Is this what > you're looking for? Or did you want a more low-level document describing > the implementation de

[Dng] UEFI, GPT

2015-01-19 Thread Robert Storey
Steve Litt said: > I've heard anecdotes of the UEFI system writing to persistant memory on > the motherboard in a way that an app misusing UEFI could brick the > motherboard. Therefore, the only time I use UEFI is when I absolutely > must have Windows on the laptop, and the Windows that came on th

Re: [Dng] libsysdev preview

2015-01-19 Thread Jude Nelson
Hi Isaac, Excellent point about vdev_linux_sysfs_read_device_mode(). For the very reason you mentioned, that code is on the way out. It was (incorrectly) used in a couple other places in the past before I knew better, but right now it's only use is in confirming that a device that has a known ma

[Dng] UEFI, GPT

2015-01-19 Thread Robert Storey
Gravis said: > the first release will be almost the same as debian with the > exception of packages needing systemd. after that i dont > know but we would need hardware to test on to make any > direct changes. Hi Gravis. Yes, that's kind of what I figured. I'll do a little more exploring on the

[Dng] Devuan Weekly News VIII

2015-01-19 Thread Noel Torres
# [Devuan Weekly News][1] Issue VIII __Volume 02, Week 3, Devuan Week 8__ https://git.devuan.org/Envite/devuan- weekly-news/wikis/past-issues/volume-02/issue-008 ## Editorial Welcome to Devuan Weekly News issue VIII. After two months has passed from the start of the project (or better, from the

Re: [Dng] libsysdev preview

2015-01-19 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 04:05:46PM -0500, Jude Nelson wrote: > Hey Isaac, this looks great! Starred and watched :) Thanks! > Related, I've just committed some (very) preliminary code for > libudev-compat in the vdev repository that's meant to be both API and > ABI-compatible with libudev. I thi

Re: [Dng] UEFI, GPT

2015-01-19 Thread Adam Borowski
On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 10:21:56AM -0500, Gravis wrote: > after that i dont know but we would need hardware to test on to make any > direct changes. While for comprehensive testing you need an array of real hardware (as quirks vary wildly), for basic tests you can use VMs: * virtualbox: just clic

Re: [Dng] libsysdev preview

2015-01-19 Thread Jude Nelson
Hey Isaac, this looks great! Starred and watched :) Related, I've just committed some (very) preliminary code for libudev-compat in the vdev repository that's meant to be both API and ABI-compatible with libudev. I think we're working towards the same end--make a library that can replace libudev

Re: [Dng] libsysdev preview

2015-01-19 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 11:01:16AM -0800, Isaac Dunham wrote: > > I'd like to provide something that can be utilized as a fallback when > libudev is missing/udev doesn't start. > Optimally, the API will be simple enough that developers then say > "And why aren't we using this *instead* of libudev?

[Dng] libsysdev preview

2015-01-19 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 01:11:15PM +0100, k...@aspodata.se wrote: > Isaac Dunham: > > On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 08:06:05PM +0100, k...@aspodata.se wrote: > > > Also a lib that maps major/minor to /dev/name and the like, a command > > > that "scans lspci" and the like, and suggests kernel modules, > >

Re: [Dng] UEFI, GPT

2015-01-19 Thread Steve Litt
On Mon, 19 Jan 2015 22:36:42 +0800 Robert Storey wrote: > I encountered an issue which hasn't been discussed here yet: support > for UEFI boot (as opposed to BIOS) and a hard disk partitioned as GPT > (as opposed to MBR). [snip] > > Anyway, today I decided that it was about time I switched from

Re: [Dng] UEFI, GPT

2015-01-19 Thread Gravis
the first release will be almost the same as debian with the exception of packages needing systemd. after that i dont know but we would need hardware to test on to make any direct changes. On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 9:36 AM, Robert Storey wrote: > Hello everyone. This is my first post, though I've

[Dng] UEFI, GPT

2015-01-19 Thread Robert Storey
Hello everyone. This is my first post, though I've been lurking on the mailing list for awhile. Until now I've been content to shut up and let more knowledgeable folks discuss the technical details, but today I encountered an issue which hasn't been discussed here yet: support for UEFI boot (as opp