On 02/14/2015 06:59 PM, Luke Leighton wrote:
what i wrote makes the following things very clear:
1) your debian system will not be screwed up or compromised by using
devuan. you will also not lose any functionality or packages.
*** I guess that really depends on the case: as
KatolaZ is 100% correct. Software distributions are remarkably
evolutionary in nature and while it's possible to co-exist, it's a
useful populous and funding that keeps distros alive. Devuan is the
divergence of Debian user base so to stay alive we need to increase
our number of useful people as
+1 for this pragmatic approach.
On 14.02.2015 11:30, Jaromil wrote:
hi Jack, Isaac,
On Fri, 13 Feb 2015, Jack L. Frost wrote:
That's because by default X tries to hotplug input devices with evdev.
And evdev requires libudev. There is a evdev fork that works with
libsysdev tho:
On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 11:27:55AM -0430, Richard wrote:
While this seems an admirable idea, it seems that Debian's change of
direction is the reason we are here.
A fork means that you take a different path. Inevitably those paths diverge
--a fork.
We have the benefit of where Debian was
On Sat, 14 Feb 2015 08:00:03 +
KatolaZ kato...@freaknet.org wrote:
I am sorry but revolutions are not cheap, and every time you choose to
go for something then you have to give up on something else. I really
hope Debian will reconsider the systemd nonsense, but I suspect that
the
On Sat, 14 Feb 2015 08:12:38 +
KatolaZ kato...@freaknet.org wrote:
Before a few months ago I had never thought that I could ever been
forced to leave Debian after about 15 years of using and loving it. I
hope that eventually we will see a happy ending to this story, but I
don't have good
[to richard, top-posted deliberately so that the chances are high that
he will read it] - richard, apologies, i appreciate you are using
gmail which provides a nice clean way to encourage people to top-post,
but in case you have never encountered the reasons why it is bad, may
i suggest you read
Jaromil:
dear Jude,
On Mon, 02 Feb 2015, Jude Nelson wrote:
Hey everyone,
Is there a list somewhere that has the packages in Jessie that depend on
some part of systemd?* I'd like to get the ball rolling on compiling out
systemd dependencies for Devuan packages, but I don't
Le 14/02/2015 17:08, Steve Litt a écrit :
On Sat, 14 Feb 2015 08:12:38 +
KatolaZ kato...@freaknet.org wrote:
Before a few months ago I had never thought that I could ever been
forced to leave Debian after about 15 years of using and loving it. I
hope that eventually we will see a happy
KatolaZ katolaz at freaknet.org writes:
On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 12:46:42PM -0300, Renaud OLGIATI wrote:
Fork is permanent only as long as the two branches do not later converge
and rejoin.
Yes, I know that, but have you ever seen anything similar happening in
the past?
no - but that
Hendrik Boom hendrik at topoi.pooq.com writes:
Wasn't the initial plan to have a Devuan repository that could be added
to the existing Debian repositories (but pinned to higher priority)
so we could focus on changing what needed changing, but not waste time
on replicating *everything*?
re all,
Here is a pre-alpha sneak preview of Devuan at the current state of
affairs. It is my valentine to Franco: despite we probably never met in
person, I love him. He is really dedicated to this project and putting
hard work in it. I also fell in love with another VUA, whose name I
won't
3
On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 4:36 PM, Jaromil jaro...@dyne.org wrote:
re all,
Here is a pre-alpha sneak preview of Devuan at the current state of
affairs. It is my valentine to Franco: despite we probably never met in
person, I love him. He is really dedicated to this project and putting
Gravis ring3k at adaptivetime.com writes:
well, here's what _can_ assure that the transition will be at least
not complete hell and requiring a total abandonment of devuan for
debian and vice-versa (i.e. a total and complete wipe-down of a hard
drive and a reinstall from scratch):
The dev teams seems very quiet and isolated, which is okay - but it makes
them seem less approachable if you are on the list.
I think this is a good idea, even if only to keep me motivated :) I'll
start.
** vdev **
It's been slow-going for me these past couple weeks since I've had to
devote
I think this is a good idea, even if only to keep me motivated I'll
start.
Thanks for the update, Jude. It is appreciated.
I'll state from the outset this is entirely a suggestion. I think it may help
get outsiders involved, but the concepts are entirely subjective.
What I was really
On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 01:01:21PM -0300, hellekin wrote:
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a functioning and fuss-free GNU/Linux, which I can tinker with as like
*** Word, KatolaZ, word. :)
I am sorry I am trashing your mailboxes with tons of words :( I would
rather like to help you guys doing the hard
hellekin hellekin at dyne.org writes:
On 02/14/2015 10:16 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 8:12 AM, KatolaZ katolaz at freaknet.org wrote:
On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 04:01:58PM +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
wrote:
is it the intent of the devuan team
On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 10:55 PM, KatolaZ kato...@freaknet.org wrote:
On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 05:46:03PM +, Luke Leighton wrote:
[very long cut]
this is again a self-fulfilling statement of intent, where i have
demonstrated logically and rationally above that the grounds for the
On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 09:59:00PM +, Luke Leighton wrote:
Whilst it may prove unavoidable, we seek to actively avoid a complete
fork of Debian (learning the lessons from Ubuntu), not least because
we wish to make it easy for users to transition between Devuan and
Debian (with
Hi guys,
a few simple steps to have Devuan-pre-alpha-valentine installed and
running on qemu:
0)# wget
http://mirror.debianfork.org/devuan-jessie-i386-xfce-prealpha-valentine.iso;
1)$ apt-get install qemu-kvm
2)$ qemu-img create devuan_disk 5G
(creates a 5G qemu disk image for devuan)
On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 12:46:42PM -0300, Renaud OLGIATI wrote:
On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 15:40:33 +
KatolaZ kato...@freaknet.org wrote:
Having said that, and besides the fact
that I don't understand what you mean by a temporary fork (a fork is
a fork, it happens at a point in time and
No no , T.J. , I don't think your emails are a nuisance. I was
rather thinking of mine, having expressed all sorts of frustrations on
this list while the good guys are silently doing the job we are all
waiting for with great hope. I was just thinking it was not very polite,
and therefore I
On Fri, 13 Feb 2015, T.J. Duchene wrote:
Such discussions can be productive if they remains civilized, and does not
distract from the overall work of the project. If my recent discussion with
Steve Litt about C, etc has been considered a distraction, I will be happy to
remove it to
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