Re: [Dng] [OT] Debian problems with Jesse - was simple backgrounds

2015-03-04 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Wed, Mar 04, 2015 at 11:49:20AM +0100, shraptor shraptor wrote: I consider myself of moderate coding skills and I like shell. I learnt coding in basic, modula2 and some c. If you liked Modula 2, you might want to look at Modula 3. Same syntax, but completely different language. --

Re: [Dng] My pinning list is getting longer :)

2015-03-04 Thread Anto
On 04/03/15 04:49, Gravis wrote: from: http://php.net/manual/en/install.fpm.php FPM (FastCGI Process Manager) is an alternative PHP FastCGI implementation with some additional features (mostly) useful for heavy-loaded sites. this actually makes some sense because systemd does do process

Re: [Dng] [OT] Debian problems with Jesse - was simple backgrounds

2015-03-04 Thread hellekin
On 03/02/15 23:23, Gravis wrote: consider grouping your emails as conversations as it is a wonderful option for organizing mailing list threads. *** Thanks for this, but the topic having drifted a lot: the thread should also have been renamed. If any of you would like to contribute a summary,

Re: [Dng] My pinning list is getting longer :)

2015-03-04 Thread Gravis
I don't think php5-fpm needs systemd at all for process management. of course it's not needed, it's an option after all. however, systemd can probably do it a bit faster and more reliably. i'm just saying it's not like this is completely out of place. it's important to maintain perspective

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-04 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Wed, Mar 04, 2015 at 07:45:22PM +0100, Anto wrote: Hello Everybody, I guess it is very likely that the first release of Devuan will use the re-branded Mozilla products. As far as I understood, the main reason for the re-branding is the Mozilla license that does not comply with DSFG

[Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-04 Thread Anto
Hello Everybody, I guess it is very likely that the first release of Devuan will use the re-branded Mozilla products. As far as I understood, the main reason for the re-branding is the Mozilla license that does not comply with DSFG (https://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines). Or the

Re: [Dng] [OT] Debian problems with Jesse - was simple backgrounds

2015-03-04 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Wed, Mar 04, 2015 at 01:39:55AM -0600, T.J. Duchene wrote: On 03/03/2015 09:07 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: As time passed, they kept finding new uses for their scripting language. Occasionally they would realize and existing module needed major new functinoality, and it was easier to write

[Dng] Default configuration for Devuan PulseAudio

2015-03-04 Thread Joel Roth
Not sure who is packaging PA for Devuan, but this minimally invasive configuration works for me, and looks like a good fit as a Devuan default, in that it doesn't take over the ALSA default device.

[Dng] Ста Деюс: As a russian, I have question for you.

2015-03-04 Thread Tom Collins
Ста Деюс: As a royssian what do you think of the murder of Boris? Do you like Vladimir Putin. And what do you make of this: ​Snowden ‘working exhaustively’ with US to secure terms of trial   Why does he want to go back? Are the women and girls of the Rus not good enough for him. Why do you

Re: [Dng] Ста Деюс: As a russian, I hav e question for you.

2015-03-04 Thread Ed Ender
I don't think that Snowden means any disrespect. His girlfriend moved there shortly after he was given asylum, so it's not the girls. Also he was only granted a 3 year visa to stay in Russia. I think that he just wants to come home. I myself appreciate that Russia or Putin has granted him time

Re: [Dng] [OT] Debian problems with Jesse - was simple backgrounds

2015-03-04 Thread T.J. Duchene
I think it is very likely Henrik, that we will never agree entirely on the subject. =) Which is okay with me and should be okay with you, too. We agree that particular GC is doomed to be flawed. As something that cannot be avoided, the potential for disasterous bugs that cannot be fixed by the

Re: [Dng] Devuan Logo survey

2015-03-04 Thread xiep
Hey, I've always loved the mascots for the logos (Tux and others). Someone on twitter compared us with monkeys for wanting to fork Debian. The answer of Jaromil inspired me this character that send you today. I'm late , I know, I know. I'm not a professional artist, but maybe it's the only

Re: [Dng] Devuan Logo survey

2015-03-04 Thread hellekin
On 03/04/15 17:13, x...@openmailbox.org wrote: I'm not a professional artist, but *** You're quite talented :) The monkey looks a bit aggressive, I don't think it needs to be. If you have more sketches, I'd love to see them. Cheers, == hk -- _ _ We are free to share code and we code

[Dng] release names

2015-03-04 Thread Robert Storey
Just want to say that I really like this idea of naming releases after minor planets, such as Ceres. It's a way cool idea. I nominate pseudo-planet Sedna for a future Devuan release. Not sure how many of these planets exist, but if we run out of planet names, there's always the many moons of the

Re: [Dng] release names

2015-03-04 Thread Gravis
Not sure how many of these planets exist, but if we run out of planet names, there's always the many moons of the solar system (165 by last count). And then there are the comets. Minor planets can be dwarf planets, asteroids, trojans, centaurs, Kuiper belt objects, and other trans-Neptunian

Re: [Dng] release names

2015-03-04 Thread Gravis
So, basically we will be using mithology for names. 1) spelling 2) basically, just series of letters but one might call that an oversimplification. they are the names of minor planets. --Gravis On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 8:36 PM, Ricardo Larrañaga ricardo.larran...@gmail.com wrote: So, basically

Re: [Dng] My pinning list is getting longer :)

2015-03-04 Thread hal
Tom Collins wrote on 03/04/15 15:22: snip These people really are bastards. I wish there was some way to fight them. This disrespect should not be allowed to go unanswered. No. That is not in the spirit of open source either. If you expect to have the right to build open source however you

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-04 Thread william moss
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 03/04/2015 07:06 PM, Ed Ender wrote: Personally, I would rather stay away from the world of Google. Although I have no real say in the matter. That IMO would be a security breach, considering their ties to government agencies. Just my 2

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-04 Thread Gravis
a lot of devuan packages are just rebuilt debian packages. we dont need more work than we already have, so why bother with re-re-branding? if you can't stomach chromium then i suggest you check out qupzilla because it has to speed of chromium, the interface of firefox and no google integration.

Re: [Dng] My pinning list is getting longer :)

2015-03-04 Thread Gravis
They are our enemies and wish to make things as difficult as they can for us. They kicked us out and are working to make sure we cannot use that which is now their thing. even if what you claim is true, so what? give the trolls enough rope and they will hang themselves, we only need to leave

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-04 Thread Jude Nelson
Besides issues related to Chromium's poor support for privacy features, it also has no real security support. No comment on the privacy features, but I beg to differ on the security. The fact that the Linux build of Chromium runs each tab and plugin in its own seccomp'ed process and runs them

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-04 Thread Ed Ender
Here is just one example of what I am referring to. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants-nsa-data I don't understand where you got child pornography from. -Original Message- From: Gravis [rin...@adaptivetime.com] Date: 03/04/2015 09:16 PM To: Ed Ender

[Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-04 Thread T.J. Duchene
The only reason that I suggested Chromium is that it is *already* in the Debian repository. For those concerned about security and maintenance, that means that it is no worse than the rest of the software in Debian. The reasons I have less respect for Firefox than I used to are really

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-04 Thread Gravis
Here is just one example of what I am referring to. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants-nsa-data yeah, if you actually read the article you will learn that google (like everyone else) complies with the law. if you look further, you learn that the NSA tapped private

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-04 Thread John Morris
On Wed, 2015-03-04 at 21:09 -0500, Jude Nelson wrote: Besides issues related to Chromium's poor support for privacy features, it also has no real security support. No comment on the privacy features, but I beg to differ on the security. The fact that the Linux build of Chromium runs each

Re: [Dng] My pinning list is getting longer :)

2015-03-04 Thread Dragan FOSS
On 03/ 4/15 04:00 AM, Anto wrote: I feel like being forced to (indirectly) use libsystemd0 on my VPS just now. I just removed the systemd from php-fpm, so everyone can test it. http://mirror.org.rs/trios/pool/non-systemd-testing/p/php5/ - [root@trios][/home/dragan/Desktop]#

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-04 Thread Gravis
They do not support anything but the current version unbuildable on a stable Debian release because they freely import dependencies They don't even support RHEL 6 you have this /backwards/, your _software_distributor_ isn't supporting Chromium. there are literally tens of thousands of

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-04 Thread T.J. Duchene
On 03/04/2015 01:25 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: I guess it is very likely that the first release of Devuan will use the re-branded Mozilla products. As far as I understood, the main reason for the re-branding is the Mozilla license that does not comply with DSFG

Re: [Dng] Ста Деюс: As a russian, I have question for you.

2015-03-04 Thread Mike Schmitz
On Wed, Mar 04, 2015 at 10:29:28PM +0100, Tom Collins wrote: ​Snowden ‘working exhaustively’ with US to secure terms of trial https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/03/04/snowden-wants-come-home-stories-case-study-media-deceit/   ___ Dng mailing list

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-04 Thread Adam Borowski
On Wed, Mar 04, 2015 at 05:14:26PM -0600, T.J. Duchene wrote: Is Devuan going to use the exact same guideline? If not,is there any plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is in the future, especially Firefox and Thunderbird? If I might offer an alternative suggestion? I'd rather see

Re: [Dng] Devuan Weekly News XIV - Where no toy has gone before

2015-03-04 Thread Gravis
As we have such naming and as where no toy has gone before is so close to a citation, can i suggest/hope that we can dedicate Jessie to Leonard Nimoy? no way, the first has to be dedicated to Lennart! just think, without our pal lenny, none of us would have ever met and many programs

Re: [Dng] [OT] Debian problems with Jesse - was simple backgrounds

2015-03-04 Thread T.J. Duchene
On 03/03/2015 07:19 PM, Nuno Magalhães wrote: So what you're saying is that all languages are syntactic sugar over assembly? :) Not at all. C was designed specifically to allow code to be portable, instead of assembly which is not. I said usually. What I mean is that many arguments in

Re: [Dng] [OT] Debian problems with Jesse - was simple backgrounds

2015-03-04 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 04/03/2015 00:36, T.J. Duchene a écrit : On Tue, 03 Mar 2015 12:46:17 +0100 Didier Kryn k...@in2p3.fr wrote: Le 02/03/2015 23:43, T.J. Duchene a écrit : We just see things differently. My first question would be: is there are a justified reason NOT to use C? There is a very good

Re: [Dng] My pinning list is getting longer :)

2015-03-04 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 04/03/2015 04:00, Anto a écrit : Hello Everybody, I feel like being forced to (indirectly) use libsystemd0 on my VPS just now. I pinned my php5 packages to version 5.4.36-0+deb7u1 on wheezy, because php5-fpm version 5.6.5+dfsg-2 on jessie requires libsystemd0. When I did dist-upgrade

Re: [Dng] Devuan Weekly News XIV - Where no toy has gone before

2015-03-04 Thread hellekin
On 03/04/15 05:07, Gravis wrote: no way, the first has to be dedicated to Lennart! just think *** Someone already coined a term to remove dependencies on his code: depoetterizing. This is not a cult to Lennart P. Just think again. Lenny is a past release, but Devuan is not looking back. ==