Re: [Dng] Another reason of why I am considering Devuan

2015-04-01 Thread Adam Borowski
On Wed, Apr 01, 2015 at 08:38:07PM -0500, T.J. Duchene wrote: > [T.J. ] To be honest, I do not quite get what the debate is over at Debian. > That's something of a big *shrug* as far as I am concerned. Falling back on > Google's nameserver is no better or worse than using anyone else's. Most pub

Re: [Dng] Another reason of why I am considering Devuan

2015-04-01 Thread T.J. Duchene
> > > > Bug#761658: Please do not default to using Google nameservers > > > > Marco tagged it as "wontfix". Seriously, if I didn´t configure a > > nameserver I *mean* it. I don´t want it to just choose a Google > > nameserver then, without even telling me. [T.J. ] To be honest, I do not quite get

Re: [Dng] What about pulseaudio, avahi, ... ?

2015-04-01 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Wed, Apr 01, 2015 at 10:06:13PM +0200, Patrick Erdmann wrote: > In my experience pulse should be optional. It works. Not good but it > does what its made for (after years of development). But avahi is > unstable... Does not work for me. I often had this problem: Network was > not reachable, beca

Re: [Dng] What about pulseaudio, avahi, ... ?

2015-04-01 Thread Patrick Erdmann
In my experience pulse should be optional. It works. Not good but it does what its made for (after years of development). But avahi is unstable... Does not work for me. I often had this problem: Network was not reachable, because of avahi. On 01.04.2015 21:33, Nuno Magalhães wrote: > On Wed, Apr

Re: [Dng] What about pulseaudio, avahi, ... ?

2015-04-01 Thread Nuno Magalhães
On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 8:25 PM, toto titi wrote: > Do you plan to get rid of pulseaudio and avahi as well, or do you just > focus on systemd ? (I don't speak for the VUA but, from what i've been reading...) Systemd is perceived as not freedom-friendly, hence the fork. If pulseaudio and/or avahi

Re: [Dng] What about pulseaudio, avahi, ... ?

2015-04-01 Thread Jude Nelson
Unlike systemd, you can easily get a working desktop system without PulseAudio, even on Debian. IIRC, the only commonly-used program that requires PulseAudio is Skype, and I've been able to get by even then by using apulse[1]. -Jude [1] https://github.com/i-rinat/apulse On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 3

[Dng] What about pulseaudio, avahi, ... ?

2015-04-01 Thread toto titi
Hi Guys, and thank you to all of you for this fork. Do you plan to get rid of pulseaudio and avahi as well, or do you just focus on systemd ? ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [Dng] This has GOT to be an April Fools joke

2015-04-01 Thread Nuno Magalhães
On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 12:25 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote: > Before anyone takes this too seriously a bit more research needs to be > done as we are very close to the date that an elaborate ruse is > plausible, at least for us in the USA. For the time being, it seems like a joke. At least this time.

Re: [Dng] nameservers

2015-04-01 Thread KatolaZ
On Wed, Apr 01, 2015 at 07:45:57PM +0100, Nuno Magalhães wrote: > On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 9:42 AM, KatolaZ wrote: > > Well, the reason is simple: Debian was a project whose main objective > > was to provide a Free Software Universal Operating Systems[1], not a > > free DNS. We could also ask why o

Re: [Dng] Claim your power

2015-04-01 Thread Nuno Magalhães
Please don't feed the trolls. Thank you. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [Dng] Devuan commitments - will trade-off be applied?

2015-04-01 Thread Nuno Magalhães
On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 1:41 PM, Joerg Reisenweber wrote: > The linux trademark is owned and protected, I think they can't do with > linux whatever they want. I believe it's onwn by Mr Torvalds to prevent someone else from clobbering it (like SCO). I don't think he plans to actually leverage that

Re: [Dng] nameservers

2015-04-01 Thread Nuno Magalhães
On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 9:42 AM, KatolaZ wrote: > Well, the reason is simple: Debian was a project whose main objective > was to provide a Free Software Universal Operating Systems[1], not a > free DNS. We could also ask why on Earth Debian does not provide a > HTTP proxy. or an email relay, or a

Re: [Dng] Update from the Veteran Unix Admins

2015-04-01 Thread Anto
On 01/04/15 11:56, Veteran Unix Admins wrote: That's why today, after 7 months of work in the direction of forking Debian we have decided that not, we will not do that. Today we give up and we accept to be assimilated. After all, we think that systemd is not so bad and we can live with it. *

Re: [Dng] Update from the Veteran Unix Admins

2015-04-01 Thread Steve Litt
In that case, Veteran Unix Admins, I'm going with my plan B: CPM on my Kaypro 2x. SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance On Wed, 1 Apr 2015 11:56:03 +0200 Veteran Unix Admins wrote: > > Dear Init Freedom lovers, >

Re: [Dng] Update from the Veteran Unix Admins

2015-04-01 Thread KatolaZ
On Wed, Apr 01, 2015 at 09:10:38AM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: [cut] > > Very nice, indeed :D We should perhaps make it public outside the ML, > > and post to forums/blogs ;) > > This at serious risk of being quoted out of context and read by those > who do not understand it's and April Fool jok

Re: [Dng] Update from the Veteran Unix Admins

2015-04-01 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Wed, Apr 01, 2015 at 01:08:00PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > On Wed, Apr 01, 2015 at 11:56:03AM +0200, Veteran Unix Admins wrote: > > > > Dear Init Freedom lovers, > > > > Once again the Veteran Unix Admin collective salutes you! > > > > As most of you know, we have followed up with our intentions

Re: [Dng] Update from the Veteran Unix Admins

2015-04-01 Thread KatolaZ
On Wed, Apr 01, 2015 at 11:56:03AM +0200, Veteran Unix Admins wrote: > > Dear Init Freedom lovers, > > Once again the Veteran Unix Admin collective salutes you! > > As most of you know, we have followed up with our intentions in > developing Devuan GNU/Linux right after Ian Jackson's GR vote res

Re: [Dng] Update from the Veteran Unix Admins

2015-04-01 Thread shraptor shraptor
A good laugh at the funds should support Kay Sievers kernel push ha ha On Wednesday, April 1, 2015, Veteran Unix Admins wrote: > > Dear Init Freedom lovers, > > Once again the Veteran Unix Admin collective salutes you! > > As most of you know, we have followed up with our intentions in > develo

Re: [Dng] Update from the Veteran Unix Admins

2015-04-01 Thread Mario Fetka
no no plz not. a 2015-04-01 12:18 GMT+02:00 Linux O'Beardly : > And FTR, I forgot it was April Fool's Day and my heart literally sank > during my initial reading of this email. Good one! > > Linux O'Beardly > @LinuxOBeardly > http://o.beard.ly > > > > On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 6:07 AM

[Dng] logo penguin

2015-04-01 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Wed, Apr 01, 2015 at 10:36:15AM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > > Le 01/04/2015 00:22, Go Linux a écrit : > > Now if it were Hubble or some recognizable space object instead of a > > raptor . . . h . . . > > Penguin-driven spacecraft escaping Death Planet :-) Penguins, I'm told, fly qu

[Dng] logo bird

2015-04-01 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 10:27:54PM +0300, Arthur Schopenhauer wrote: > > I like the eagle as a symbol though. Maybe a nice green tone would fit better? The eagle has been used as a symbol for imperial domination for a long time. Maybe a dove? -- hendrik > > -- > Kapitän Arthur Schopenhauer >

Re: [Dng] Freedom Logo

2015-04-01 Thread Martijn Dekkers
> Well, it does not sync with the planet scheme, but for example ubuntu logo > has nothing in common with their code naming scheme > The ubuntu logo is pretty much a direct visualisation of the meaning of the word "ubuntu" ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.

Re: [Dng] Freedom Logo

2015-04-01 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 10:39:15PM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > I support without the swirl, which Debian might find provocative > in a time when relations are not so good. I like it red. Do we need > symbols everywhere, down to the colour? I prefer a beautifull > colour, even if it doesn't cont

Re: [Dng] Freedom Logo

2015-04-01 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 09:36:52PM +0200, Anto wrote: > > > On 31/03/15 21:27, Arthur Schopenhauer wrote: > > > >I like the eagle as a symbol though. Maybe a nice green tone would > >fit better? > > > > Green is good colour. It is an earthy (is that even a word?) colour > which symbolises freedo

Re: [Dng] This has GOT to be an April Fools joke

2015-04-01 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 04:36:05PM -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote: > > To me "trust" is a euphemism for the cartels divvying up the pie. I once heard that the NSA's definition of a "trusted system" was one that, if it misbehaves, you're screwed. Seems to fit here. -- hendrik __

Re: [Dng] Update from the Veteran Unix Admins

2015-04-01 Thread Linux O'Beardly
And FTR, I forgot it was April Fool's Day and my heart literally sank during my initial reading of this email. Good one! Linux O'Beardly @LinuxOBeardly http://o.beard.ly On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 6:07 AM, Linux O'Beardly wrote: > Happy April Fools, you limey bastards. > > On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at

Re: [Dng] Update from the Veteran Unix Admins

2015-04-01 Thread Linux O'Beardly
Happy April Fools, you limey bastards. On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 5:56 AM, Veteran Unix Admins wrote: > > Dear Init Freedom lovers, > > Once again the Veteran Unix Admin collective salutes you! > > As most of you know, we have followed up with our intentions in > developing Devuan GNU/Linux right af

[Dng] Update from the Veteran Unix Admins

2015-04-01 Thread Veteran Unix Admins
Dear Init Freedom lovers, Once again the Veteran Unix Admin collective salutes you! As most of you know, we have followed up with our intentions in developing Devuan GNU/Linux right after Ian Jackson's GR vote resolution in Debian. We have made great progress and achieved several milestones amon

Re: [Dng] Freedom Logo

2015-04-01 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 01/04/2015 00:22, Go Linux a écrit : Now if it were Hubble or some recognizable space object instead of a raptor . . . h . . . Penguin-driven spacecraft escaping Death Planet :-) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailin

Re: [Dng] Freedom Logo

2015-04-01 Thread Aldemir Akpinar
On 31 March 2015 at 23:38, Svarog wrote: > Hi all, > I uploaded a different version: > http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/File:Devuan_Freedom_blue1.png > > Kind Regards, > kvasny > snip > Very nice! I like it. -- aldemir ___ Dng mailing list Dng