On Sat, 15 Aug 2015 20:19:03 +
Stephanie Daugherty sdaughe...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi, Stephanie! =)
They did, but out of all this design by committee, hidden between all
the political bullshit and bikeshedding, they also created the most
brilliant, most comprehensive set of standards for
I would be interested in
* No-dbus replacement for NetworkManager/Wicd
Are you thinking a C program?
HECK no! There's no requirement for this program to be fast, and I want
to make it easy on myself. Python probably, with the minimum Python
addons, and only addons that ship with Python
On Sun, 16 Aug 2015 14:26:41 +1200
Daniel Reurich dan...@centurion.net.nz wrote:
On 16 August 2015 7:47:46 AM GMT+12:00, T.J. Duchene
t.j.duch...@gmail.com wrote:
All that I ever try to say that I think there should be room for
both sorts to make Devuan a home. Yes, I think Devuan should
On Sun, 16 Aug 2015 07:37:16 +0300
Lars Noodén lars.noo...@gmail.com wrote:
I would be interested in
* No-dbus replacement for NetworkManager/Wicd
Are you thinking a C program?
HECK no! There's no requirement for this program to be fast, and I
want to make it easy on myself.
On Sat, 8/15/15, Simon Hobson li...@thehobsons.co.uk wrote:
Subject: Re: [DNG] Devuan and upstream
To: dng@lists.dyne.org dng@lists.dyne.org
Date: Saturday, August 15, 2015, 3:53 PM
Hendrik Boom hend...@topoi.pooq.com wrote:
THe way I heard the
On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 06:19:23PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
On Sun, 16 Aug 2015 00:08:11 +0200
shraptor shrap...@bahnhof.se wrote:
I would be interested in
* No-dbus replacement for NetworkManager/Wicd
Are you thinking a C program?
HECK no! There's no requirement for this
Stephanie Daugherty sdaughe...@gmail.com wrote:
They did, but out of all this design by committee, hidden between all the
political bullshit and bikeshedding, they also created the most brilliant,
most comprehensive set of standards for quality control, package uniformity,
license
Le 15/08/2015 18:01, Steve Litt a écrit :
On Sat, 15 Aug 2015 08:51:55 +0200
Didier Kryn k...@in2p3.fr wrote:
Le 15/08/2015 02:26, Steve Litt a écrit :
On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 14:49:17 -0700
Go Linux goli...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Fri, 8/14/15, T.J. Duchene t.j.duch...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 11:54:06AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 22:25:06 -0700
Isaac Dunham ibid...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 07:01:11AM -0400, Haines Brown wrote:
The aim is to boot to a console prompt, log in as root, install
xorg and fluxbox. That
I would be interested in
* No-dbus replacement for NetworkManager/Wicd
Are you thinking a C program?
daemon and user interface/GUI separation?
On 2015-08-15 18:01, Steve Litt wrote:
On Sat, 15 Aug 2015 08:51:55 +0200
Didier Kryn k...@in2p3.fr wrote:
Le 15/08/2015 02:26, Steve Litt a écrit
Simon Hobson li...@thehobsons.co.uk writes:
T.J. Duchene t.j.duch...@gmail.com wrote:
I used Debian Sid recently, with the apparent ability to boot
using either System 5 or Systemd via Grub. The choice seems clear to me
that Devuan could minimize upsteam maintenance by looking at that.
The
The lack of the last two: multiple versions and shell scripts are why
Debian derivatives cannot share packages, even though they use
identical base code.
Correction:
The lack of multiple versions and packahe shell scripts are why
Debian derivatives cannot share packages, even though they use
On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 07:43:04AM -0400, Haines Brown wrote:
I reiinstalled (avoiding past missteps), to a console, and from it
installed xorg and fluxbox. I then ran xstart from console and all went
well.
With one exception. I'm in what looks like VGA mode with large crude
characters. It
On Sun, 16 Aug 2015 00:08:11 +0200
shraptor shrap...@bahnhof.se wrote:
On 2015-08-15 18:01, Steve Litt wrote:
Please, Steve, provide us with all you mentionned, as an
alternative to mainstream bloated/infected stuff. Since Devuan is
all about freedom, this is the place where to
On 16 August 2015 7:47:46 AM GMT+12:00, T.J. Duchene t.j.duch...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Sat, 15 Aug 2015 03:15:50 -0700
James Powell james4...@hotmail.com wrote:
Hi Jim! =)
To me, a shim is not the way. Sanitization is what is needed, and if
that requires work, then question this, 'Will the
On 15/08/2015 00:19, James Powell wrote:
Slackware is maintained by 3 core people with extra help as needed. The
rest of the packages are pushed by the community at large contributing.
Devuan doesn't have to maintain every package possible. That's ludicrous
to think so.
Debian got in over its
On 15/08/2015 05:38, Isaac Dunham wrote:
On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 02:42:14PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote:
On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 02:02:22PM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote:
Seems to me there's something weird, both, in libreoffice depending on
just one single version of libstdc++, and in
My $0.02...
Shims are not needed, or, in my viewpoint, wanted. You're still working with
systemd or pseudo-systemd and either way you see it, it's still systemd. While
the prospect of systemd-shim does allow to separate the API layer and logind
out from the core project, as uselessd allowed
On 15/08/2015 05:57, T.J. Duchene wrote:
On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 22:38:35 -0700
Isaac Dunham ibid...@gmail.com wrote:
To elaborate on this, GCC 5.1 (I think) has changed the ABI for C++11
support.
Packages using C++11 need to be rebuilt with the new library;
libreoffice has already been rebuilt,
Le 15/08/2015 02:26, Steve Litt a écrit :
On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 14:49:17 -0700
Go Linux goli...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Fri, 8/14/15, T.J. Duchene t.j.duch...@gmail.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [DNG] Systemd Shims
To: dng@lists.dyne.org
Date: Friday, August 14, 2015, 2:47 PM
I know not
Hi,
I built the minimal chroot jailgenerated by live-build in devuan, and
the hostname is set to none:
$ hostname
(none)
There aren't underscores in the /etc/hostname file, and the /etc/hosts
is also correct.It happened to me the same some other time starting with
sysvinit, but not with
Hi again,
Grub-install failed in gnuinos server (Alpha2). Apparently libfuse2 and
os-prober are not included in it. I will solve this issue during the day.
Thanks,
Aitor.
On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 23:52:56 +0200 aitor_czr wrote:
Hi all,
I'm uploading a live image of gnuinos in amd64
On Sat, 15 Aug 2015 12:01:35 -0400
Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote:
Please, Steve, provide us with all you mentionned, as an
alternative to mainstream bloated/infected stuff. Since Devuan is
all about freedom, this is the place where to deliver to the world.
As soon as I can
Il 15/ago/2015 03:05 PM, Hendrik Boom hend...@topoi.pooq.com ha scritto:
There are still a few systemd-related packages iinstalled:
libpam-systemd
systemd
systemd-shim
libsystemd0
Is this normal?
Yes (for now), and you can easily remove all of them, except libsystemd0,
with no issues
If
On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 03:33:31PM +0200, Anto wrote:
On 15/08/15 14:39, Edward Bartolo wrote:
What is the purpose of:
Package: init
Pin: origin
Pin-Priority: -1
As far as I understood, the init package was developed to allow smoother
transition of Debian default init from sysvinit to
I reiinstalled (avoiding past missteps), to a console, and from it
installed xorg and fluxbox. I then ran xstart from console and all went
well.
With one exception. I'm in what looks like VGA mode with large crude
characters. It seems a problem (or symptom) is that installation did not
create a
On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 05:15:44PM +1200, Daniel Reurich wrote:
On 15/08/15 16:54, Hendrik Boom wrote:
On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 03:21:47PM +1200, Daniel Reurich wrote:
On 15/08/15 14:47, Hendrik Boom wrote:
Don't forget to do `update-initramfs -u -k all` and `update-grub` to
rebuild the
I accidentally checked for systemd using aptitude on the wrong system.
There are actually a lot more systemd packages.
On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 08:58:46AM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote:
After a clean install of devuan from the alpha2 iso using a USB stick
my system is running properly, with xfce and
On 15/08/15 15:53, Edward Bartolo wrote:
So, init was transitional.
Thanks.
Yes. It was. But now it is an essential package in both Debian and
Devuan. I am not sure what is the purpose of that for Devuan. But
according to the discussion some time ago, it looks like it is to keep
the
On Fri, 8/14/15, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [DNG] Systemd Shims
To: dng@lists.dyne.org
Date: Friday, August 14, 2015, 7:26 PM
On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 14:49:17 -0700
Go Linux goli...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Fri, 8/14/15, T.J. Duchene t.j.duch...@gmail.com wrote:
I tried to install xfce4-power-manager which tried to pull in systemd.
Does it harm my new installation of DEVUAN to use apt pinning to block
packages like libsystemd0 and systemd?
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On 15/08/15 13:53, Edward Bartolo wrote:
I tried to install xfce4-power-manager which tried to pull in systemd.
Does it harm my new installation of DEVUAN to use apt pinning to block
packages like libsystemd0 and systemd?
Hello Edward,
Since months ago I always have
After a clean install of devuan from the alpha2 iso using a USB stick
my system is running properly, with xfce and an unknown display manager.
The only packages I asked to install were ones from dselect in the installer,
and very few of those. Beyond the defaults, I asked
for xfce.
There does
On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 22:25:06 -0700
Isaac Dunham ibid...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 07:01:11AM -0400, Haines Brown wrote:
The aim is to boot to a console prompt, log in as root, install
xorg and fluxbox. That gives me X and a window manager but no
desktop environment. At
On Sat, 15 Aug 2015 07:43:04 -0400
Haines Brown hai...@histomat.net wrote:
I purged and reinstalled xorg without luck. Installed were
libglu1-mesa, x11-apps, x11-session-utils, x11-server-utils, xinit,
xorg, xorg-docs-core.
The xorg log tells me that it is using as system configuration
Simon Hobson li...@thehobsons.co.uk writes:
Rainer Weikusat rainerweiku...@virginmedia.com wrote:
ClamAV claims to support FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, Solaris, OpenVMS,
Slackware and Windows, all of which certainly don't have systemd. I've
just cloned the current development repository and
On Sat, 15 Aug 2015 08:51:55 +0200
Didier Kryn k...@in2p3.fr wrote:
Le 15/08/2015 02:26, Steve Litt a écrit :
On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 14:49:17 -0700
Go Linux goli...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Fri, 8/14/15, T.J. Duchene t.j.duch...@gmail.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [DNG] Systemd Shims
To:
T.J. Duchene t.j.duch...@gmail.com wrote:
I used Debian Sid recently, with the apparent ability to boot
using either System 5 or Systemd via Grub. The choice seems clear to me
that Devuan could minimize upsteam maintenance by looking at that.
The problem is not which init system to use -
On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 8:20 PM James Powell james4...@hotmail.com wrote:
Slackware is maintained by 3 core people with extra help as needed. The
rest of the packages are pushed by the community at large contributing.
Devuan doesn't have to maintain every package possible. That's ludicrous to
On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 02:20:44PM -0500, T.J. Duchene wrote:
Having a specifically defined base makes it easier for third parties to
ensure that software is going to work without a hitch. It's much more
attractive from a testing standpoint than the usual Linux hodge-podge. I
think it is
On 15/08/2015 22:19, Stephanie Daugherty wrote:
They did, but out of all this design by committee, hidden between all
the political bullshit and bikeshedding, they also created the most
brilliant, most comprehensive set of standards for quality control,
package uniformity, license auditing, and
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