Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

2016-01-18 Thread Joel Roth
dev1fanboy wrote: > Some suggestions for minor updates to quick start > translations. > > There is a change in devuan that means it's no longer > necessary to do "apt-get install sysvinit core" anymore, > also "apt-get install basefiles" is not necessary. > > As mentioned before, adding the

Re: [DNG] Does dunst require dbus?

2016-01-18 Thread Rainer Weikusat
Simon Wise writes: [...] > But recently discovered that xfce4-terminal loses critical > functionality without a session dbus running (it no longer connects to > the cut buffer and clipboard ... which really destroys its > functionality). Desktop environment/ window

Re: [DNG] Does dunst require dbus?

2016-01-18 Thread Steve Litt
On Mon, 18 Jan 2016 13:31:43 +1100 Simon Wise wrote: > But recently discovered that xfce4-terminal loses critical > functionality without a session dbus running (it no longer connects > to the cut buffer and clipboard ... which really destroys its > functionality). I

[DNG] The perversion continues

2016-01-18 Thread Steve Litt
Hi all, I still monitor debian-user. Today on that mailing list a guy asked how to get network connectivity while using Openbox, and guesses (I have a feeling correctly) that it's a dhcp problem. He wants to know how to get dhcp running with Openbox --- it ran with Xfce. Yes indeedee, I'm pretty

Re: [DNG] The perversion continues

2016-01-18 Thread Edward Bartolo
Hi Steve, Oh come on Steve, Every modern computer user should know terminals are past their era: beautiful, appealing to the eye desktops is the way to go. Terminals are like using a handtool where a powertool can be used effortlessly and more efficiently. [/sarcasm] Yes, I agree with you, the

[DNG] What JACK is and isn't (was: Re: Slackware now uses PulseAudio...)

2016-01-18 Thread Joel Roth
Steve Litt wrote: > In all fairness, I've found few softwares as difficult to install and > get right as Jack. In fact, of the five times I've tried to install it > on various distros, I've succeeded zero times. Hi Steve, Probably a combination of bad luck, using (GUI?) utilities you don't need,

Re: [DNG] The perversion continues

2016-01-18 Thread Ozi Traveller
There's certainly a pause when boot, if my modem hasn't quite connected. And if I start the modem first, so it's connected properly, then it just boots. :( Ozi On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 6:07 AM, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Hi Steve, > > Oh come on Steve, > > Every modern computer

Re: [DNG] Startup delays (Was: The perversion continues)

2016-01-18 Thread Simon Hobson
Ozi Traveller wrote: > There's certainly a pause when boot, if my modem hasn't quite connected. > > And if I start the modem first, so it's connected properly, then it just > boots. That could be something much more mundane. If you have no internet connection, or

Re: [DNG] Startup delays (Was: The perversion continues)

2016-01-18 Thread Ozi Traveller
I also have a couple of non-systemd box connected to the same modem, and they boot to a desktop without the wait. On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 6:53 AM, Simon Hobson wrote: > Ozi Traveller wrote: > > > There's certainly a pause when boot, if my modem

Re: [DNG] Startup delays (Was: The perversion continues)

2016-01-18 Thread KatolaZ
On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 07:37:21AM +1100, Ozi Traveller wrote: > I have created iso using live-build for Debian wheezy and jessie as well as > Devuan Jessie. Apart from systemd and slight version differences they are > the same. Debian Jessie boot the slowest. > Hi Ozi, would it be possible

Re: [DNG] Startup delays (Was: The perversion continues)

2016-01-18 Thread Ozi Traveller
Yes exactly! ;) Should I hold my breath. :) On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 7:49 AM, Simon Hobson wrote: > Ozi Traveller wrote: > > > Debian Jessie boot the slowest. > > Ah, that'll be because of stuff that hasn't been "improved" into systemd > yet

Re: [DNG] Slackware now uses PulseAudio...

2016-01-18 Thread Rainer Weikusat
Steve Litt writes: > Rainer Weikusat wrote: >> Emiliano Marini writes: >> > Word from Eric Hameleers, one of the main Slackware maintainers (AKA >> > alienbob): >> > >> >> "...you have to have PA installed

Re: [DNG] The perversion continues

2016-01-18 Thread Nate Bargmann
I scanned that thread at first and my thought was that Network Manager wasn't being started when he loaded OpenBox. I thought that once configured that NM will have a network connection before its GUI component is even loaded. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all

Re: [DNG] Startup delays (Was: The perversion continues)

2016-01-18 Thread Simon Hobson
Ozi Traveller wrote: > I also have a couple of non-systemd box connected to the same modem, and they > boot to a desktop without the wait. It's probably not systemd vs non-systemd. While it does cause me a bit of a choke to defend systemd, it's probably not

Re: [DNG] Startup delays (Was: The perversion continues)

2016-01-18 Thread Simon Hobson
Ozi Traveller wrote: > Debian Jessie boot the slowest. Ah, that'll be because of stuff that hasn't been "improved" into systemd yet ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [DNG] Startup delays (Was: The perversion continues)

2016-01-18 Thread Ozi Traveller
I have created iso using live-build for Debian wheezy and jessie as well as Devuan Jessie. Apart from systemd and slight version differences they are the same. Debian Jessie boot the slowest. On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 7:17 AM, Simon Hobson wrote: > Ozi Traveller