Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ?

2016-04-21 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 22/04/2016 06:56, Simon Walter a écrit : It's so refreshing that you all talk freely about this subject. In my social and professional circles it is taboo to even mention the NSA. People look at me like I am a "flatearther" when I simply quote the news. The three-letters agencies haha

Re: [DNG] Which desktops work without systemd

2016-04-21 Thread Svante Signell
On Thu, 2016-04-21 at 23:57 +0300, Mitt Green wrote: > ‎Rob van der Putten wrote: > > > > > Which desktops work without systemd? > > A list would be nice. > Every desktop environment is known > to work without systemd. GNOME3 works > on Funtoo, Slackware, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, > DragonflyBSD. It depe

Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ?

2016-04-21 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 22/04/2016 06:51, Joel Roth a écrit : Didier Kryn wrote: >hellekin a écrit : > >Does apulse serve for anything else than running non-free spyware? > > > > > Probably not. The author states that his goal was to run Skype test >call, and after he achieved this goal, the project has just b

Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ?

2016-04-21 Thread Noel Torres
Simon Walter escribió: [...] It's so refreshing that you all talk freely about this subject. In my social and professional circles it is taboo to even mention the NSA. People look at me like I am a "flatearther" when I simply quote the news. Which wicked kind of environment do you work

Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ?

2016-04-21 Thread Simon Walter
On 04/22/2016 01:51 PM, Joel Roth wrote: Didier Kryn wrote: hellekin a écrit : Does apulse serve for anything else than running non-free spyware? Probably not. The author states that his goal was to run Skype test call, and after he achieved this goal, the project has just been stale.

Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ?

2016-04-21 Thread Joel Roth
Didier Kryn wrote: > hellekin a écrit : > >Does apulse serve for anything else than running non-free spyware? > > > > > Probably not. The author states that his goal was to run Skype test > call, and after he achieved this goal, the project has just been stale. The most recent commit is Februa

Re: [DNG] Which desktops work without systemd

2016-04-21 Thread Simon Walter
On 04/22/2016 05:57 AM, Mitt Green wrote: ‎Rob van der Putten wrote: Which desktops work without systemd? A list would be nice. Every desktop environment is known to work without systemd. GNOME3 works on Funtoo, Slackware, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, DragonflyBSD. It depends on the distribution itself.

Re: [DNG] Printing -- now even pdf works. I have no idea why.

2016-04-21 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 07:05:06PM +, Noel Torres wrote: > Just curious... > > Why not using CUPS ? Too bulky and cumbersome. Go to a web interface. Follow link to install device. Choose device from a list ... I prefer to read up on the syntax of a config file or two, and just edit them, or w

Re: [DNG] Fw: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!]

2016-04-21 Thread hellekin
Thank you all for your positive response! It's heart-warming. == hk ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ?

2016-04-21 Thread hellekin
On 04/21/2016 08:17 PM, Mitt Green wrote: > > Frankly, no idea. ‎I have never used Skype, nor have > a Microsoft account (removed right after throwing > away my Lumia; smartphones suck by the way). > > / Mitt > I guess you're my kind of a guy :) == hk -- _ _ We are free to share code and

Re: [DNG] Which desktops work without systemd

2016-04-21 Thread Mitt Green
‎Rob van der Putten wrote: > Which desktops work without systemd? > A list would be nice. Every desktop environment is known to work without systemd. GNOME3 works on Funtoo, Slackware, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, DragonflyBSD. It depends on the distribution itself. / Mitt _

Re: [DNG] Printing -- now even pdf works. I have no idea why.

2016-04-21 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 09:21:46PM +0100, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > Noel Torres writes: > > Just curious... > > > > Why not using CUPS ? > > > > I've been using it since times' night with no issues. > > For me, the answer is that I see no benefit in getting accustomed with > something as complicat

Re: [DNG] Printing -- now even pdf works. I have no idea why.

2016-04-21 Thread Noel Torres
Jaromil escribió: On Thu, 21 Apr 2016, Noel Torres wrote: Just curious... Why not using CUPS ? I've been using it since times' night with no issues. I use CUPS and i'm intrigued by the thread. I have two printers, one at home and one in the office. After I switched to Devuan for all my

Re: [DNG] Printing -- now even pdf works. I have no idea why.

2016-04-21 Thread Rainer Weikusat
Noel Torres writes: > Just curious... > > Why not using CUPS ? > > I've been using it since times' night with no issues. For me, the answer is that I see no benefit in getting accustomed with something as complicated (looking) as CUPS for as long as I don't want more than to run some input file t

Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ?

2016-04-21 Thread Mitt Green
hellekin wrote: > Thanks Mitt. That means it would be candidate > for the contrib component, right? (Which is not > supposed to be part of Devuan.) Frankly, no idea. ‎I have never used Skype, nor have a Microsoft account (removed right after throwing away my Lumia; smartphones suck by the way).

Re: [DNG] Fw: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!]

2016-04-21 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 06:07:45PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Wed, 20 Apr 2016 19:46:26 + > hellekin wrote: > > > This thread contains a lot of praise for Devuan. I want to ask you > > whether it's fine to use it on devuan.org for promotion. You're > > welcome to reply here. I'll contac

Re: [DNG] Printing -- now even pdf works. I have no idea why.

2016-04-21 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 09:20:11PM +0200, Jaromil wrote: > On Thu, 21 Apr 2016, Noel Torres wrote: > > > Just curious... > > > > Why not using CUPS ? > > > > I've been using it since times' night with no issues. > > I use CUPS and i'm intrigued by the thread. > > I have two printers, one at ho

Re: [DNG] Gcc issue?

2016-04-21 Thread Steven W. Scott
Thanks all for the input . I'm definitely not ready to call it a bug, and always suspect my code first, but this is a new one on me and I'm stumped. You have given me new avenues to explore, and I am most appreciative. SWS On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 3:06 PM, Jaromil wrote: > On Thu, 21 Apr 2016, K

Re: [DNG] Fw: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!]

2016-04-21 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 21/04/2016 00:07, Steve Litt a écrit : On Wed, 20 Apr 2016 19:46:26 + hellekin wrote: >This thread contains a lot of praise for Devuan. I want to ask you >whether it's fine to use it on devuan.org for promotion. You're >welcome to reply here. I'll contact everyone individually to ask

Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ?

2016-04-21 Thread hellekin
On 04/21/2016 04:14 PM, Mitt Green wrote: > > From GitHub[1]: > Project is in stale state since its proclamation. > The main objective, working Skype test call, > is reached. I don't have any plans for further > development. > > [1]:https://github.com/i-rinat/apulse > Thanks Mitt. That means i

Re: [DNG] Printing -- now even pdf works. I have no idea why.

2016-04-21 Thread Jaromil
On Thu, 21 Apr 2016, Noel Torres wrote: > Just curious... > > Why not using CUPS ? > > I've been using it since times' night with no issues. I use CUPS and i'm intrigued by the thread. I have two printers, one at home and one in the office. After I switched to Devuan for all my personal compu

Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ?

2016-04-21 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 21/04/2016 17:18, hellekin a écrit : On 04/20/2016 03:46 PM, Didier Kryn wrote: This is not the first time apulse has been discussed on this list. There was talk of packaging apluse for Devuan last year but that conversation has been lost in time. Perhaps adding apulse to Devuan will be reco

Re: [DNG] Printing -- now even pdf works. I have no idea why.

2016-04-21 Thread Noel Torres
Just curious... Why not using CUPS ? I've been using it since times' night with no issues. Regards Noel er Envite bin3kVdqqeSWw.bin Description: Clave PGP pública pgp2Bm7hUEjmj.pgp Description: Firma digital PGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyn

Re: [DNG] Gcc issue?

2016-04-21 Thread Jaromil
On Thu, 21 Apr 2016, KatolaZ wrote: > Before going into finding gcc bugs, my humble suggestion is to give > a go to valgrind. It is a wise suggestion. All GNU C/C++ programmers should have several passes through valgrind on their code, this is should be perceived as a standard procedure. Profili

Re: [DNG] Gcc issue?

2016-04-21 Thread KatolaZ
On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 07:27:06PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 02:15:52PM -0400, Steven W. Scott wrote: > > Just curious, anyone else getting segfaults after compiling with gcc -O3 > > optimization flag on alpha 4? Same system, same code, same flags work ok on > > Wheezy. If I b

Re: [DNG] Gcc issue?

2016-04-21 Thread KatolaZ
On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 02:15:52PM -0400, Steven W. Scott wrote: > Just curious, anyone else getting segfaults after compiling with gcc -O3 > optimization flag on alpha 4? Same system, same code, same flags work ok on > Wheezy. If I back down to -O2 no problems. > > I'm blaming gcc, but I was inte

Re: [DNG] Printing -- now even pdf works. I have no idea why.

2016-04-21 Thread Rainer Weikusat
Hendrik Boom writes: [...] > HL3170CDW:\ > :mx=0:\ > :sd=/var/spool/lpd/hl3170cdw:\ > :sh:\ > :lp=POSTSCRIPT_P1@172.25.1.15:\ ^ This could be the magic fix as it's the name of a default Brother printer queue (for accepting PostScript). _

[DNG] Gcc issue?

2016-04-21 Thread Steven W. Scott
Just curious, anyone else getting segfaults after compiling with gcc -O3 optimization flag on alpha 4? Same system, same code, same flags work ok on Wheezy. If I back down to -O2 no problems. I'm blaming gcc, but I was interested if anyone else had a similar experience or insight as to what might

Re: [DNG] mpv from devuan.org/merged is broken

2016-04-21 Thread Noel Torres
David Hare escribió: What is, or will be, official Devuan policy on this? This is one of the points in which my idea of "eggs" would help, as I imagine it. What I do not know is if it is doable. Regards er Envite binPOnzfxwZWR.bin Description: Clave PGP pública pgpmpAjIytV5i.pgp Desc

[DNG] Which desktops work without systemd

2016-04-21 Thread Rob van der Putten
Hi there Which desktops work without systemd? A list would be nice. Regards, Rob ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Printing -- now even pdf works. I have no idea why.

2016-04-21 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 03:18:10PM +0100, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > Hendrik Boom writes: > > On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 05:43:10PM +0100, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > >> Hendrik Boom writes: > >> > >> [Brother printer] > >> > >> > I did manage to get the printer going. I should have mentionned long >

Re: [DNG] Devuan Web A11y

2016-04-21 Thread Herb Garcia
Better to remove reference to links, than have bad links. It is good to know which are bad. Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Droid On Apr 21, 2016 10:36 AM, Rainer Weikusat wrote: hellekin writes: > On 04/20/2016 07:55 PM, Rainer Weikusat wrote: >> >> Clicking on 'forked from Debian' >> > > This is

Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ?

2016-04-21 Thread Mitt Green
hellekin wrote: > Does apulse serve for anything else than > running non-free spyware? From GitHub[1]: Project is in stale state since its proclamation. The main objective, working Skype test call, is reached. I don't have any plans for further development. [1]:https://github.com/i-rinat/apulse

Re: [DNG] Devuan Web A11y

2016-04-21 Thread Rainer Weikusat
hellekin writes: > On 04/20/2016 07:55 PM, Rainer Weikusat wrote: >> >> Clicking on 'forked from Debian' >> > > This is indeed one of the sections that remain to write. Generalizing > like you did is useless and misguiding. I didn't 'generalize' anything. Svante Signell wrote: Nice pa

Re: [DNG] Devuan Web A11y

2016-04-21 Thread hellekin
On 04/20/2016 07:55 PM, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > > Clicking on 'forked from Debian' > This is indeed one of the sections that remain to write. Generalizing like you did is useless and misguiding. Don't forget that this is the BETA site of the BETA, so it's normal that a house in-the-making does

Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ?

2016-04-21 Thread hellekin
On 04/20/2016 03:46 PM, Didier Kryn wrote: >> >> This is not the first time apulse has been discussed on this list. >> There was talk of packaging apluse for Devuan last year but that >> conversation has been lost in time. Perhaps adding apulse to Devuan >> will be reconsidered once the beta is ou

Re: [DNG] Printing -- now works.

2016-04-21 Thread Rainer Weikusat
Gregory Nowak writes: > On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 06:27:26PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: >> I'm using the driver from Brother, and lpr from lprng. I found the >> lprng-doc package. I suppose the next thing is to read it, > > While I haven't used a brother printer, I do seem to have a > recollectio

Re: [DNG] Printing -- now works.

2016-04-21 Thread Rainer Weikusat
Hendrik Boom writes: > On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 05:43:10PM +0100, Rainer Weikusat wrote: >> Hendrik Boom writes: >> >> [Brother printer] >> >> > I did manage to get the printer going. I should have mentionned long >> > ago what the final problem was. >> > >> > It turns out I was trying to prin

Re: [DNG] mpv from devuan.org/merged is broken

2016-04-21 Thread Daniel Reurich
On 21/04/16 22:43, David Hare wrote: > I needed to install mpv, which failed with this error: > > :~$ mpv '/my/file.mp4' mpv was compiled and linked against a mixture > of Libav and FFmpeg versions. This won't work and will most likely > crash at some point. Exiting. > > This took me quite some t

Re: [DNG] mpv from devuan.org/merged is broken

2016-04-21 Thread David Hare
Another reference: https://forum.videolan.org/viewtopic.php?t=70719 On 21 April 2016 at 11:43, David Hare wrote: > I needed to install mpv, which failed with this error: > > :~$ mpv '/my/file.mp4' > mpv was compiled and linked against a mixture of Libav and FFmpeg > versions. This won't work an

[DNG] mpv from devuan.org/merged is broken

2016-04-21 Thread David Hare
I needed to install mpv, which failed with this error: :~$ mpv '/my/file.mp4' mpv was compiled and linked against a mixture of Libav and FFmpeg versions. This won't work and will most likely crash at some point. Exiting. This took me quite some time to debug. The reason appears to be incompatibil

Re: [DNG] Devuan Web A11y

2016-04-21 Thread Svante Signell
On Wed, 2016-04-20 at 14:54 +, Go Linux wrote: > On Wed, 4/20/16, Svante Signell wrote: > >  Subject: Re: [DNG] Devuan Web A11y >  To: dng@lists.dyne.org >  Date: Wednesday, April 20, 2016, 9:38 AM >   > On Tue, 2016-04-19 at 04:29 +, hellekin wrote: > > > > For the Devuan Web we tried t