Re: [DNG] secure boot

2016-06-12 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 12/06/2016 21:56, Simon Hobson a écrit : Didier Kryn wrote: The dealer will just be instructed to not sell it to people who claim they will do anything else than using the pre-installed Windows. Eventually yes. But it will make their management aware of us for them to

Re: [DNG] LXC template for Devuan

2016-06-12 Thread Simon Walter
On 06/10/2016 10:39 PM, Greg Olsen wrote: On 2016-06-10 08:59, Simon Walter wrote: [snip] > > I will give the templates a go now. I had some issues: perl: warning: Setting locale failed. perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: LANGUAGE = "en_US:en", LC_ALL =

[DNG] problem with devuan on qemu

2016-06-12 Thread emninger
I try to install devuan ascii on qemu, following the respective instructions on the git (https://git.devuan.org/devuan/devuan-project/wikis/try-devuan-on-qemu). Boot is fine, i choose expert installation but when it comes to tasksel the installation of software always fails. I can pass by this

[DNG] installer iso with wpa_supplicant

2016-06-12 Thread emninger
I just realized that in the devuan jessie installer in the basic install (i.e. before you select software and DE) there is no wpa_supplicant - so you (at least me) cannot configure a wireless connection from commandline. (Jaromil in chat confirmed my observation) Are there any plans to correct

Re: [DNG] secure boot

2016-06-12 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 12:21:14 +0100 KatolaZ wrote: > On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 06:35:11AM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > [cut] > > > > > There's a real question here for us, and for Linux in general. > > > > How *do* we deal with secure boot? I am terrified of buying a

[DNG] FIFO underrun

2016-06-12 Thread Antonio Trkdz.tab
Hi DNG List, I bonded two ethernet interfaces on my home server, just for fault tolerance. It is running Devuan Jessie. On reboot the loading hung throwing out a message 'like' this: [drm:cpt_set_FIFO_underrun_reporting] *ERROR* uncleared pch FIFO underrun on pch transcoder A The boot hangs

Re: [DNG] ..another new(?) step towards Debian systemd: linux-image-4.6.0-1[-rt]-amd-signed, with MSTF keys...

2016-06-12 Thread Simon Hobson
Edward Bartolo wrote: > I have been 'told' that any kernel can still be booted under UEFI > Secure Boot. For now, how long until that changes ? > Refer to forums.debian.net thread: > http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=609579=c65ab3dc5f980e0c1f79b7b7a5116511#p609579 And

Re: [DNG] secure boot

2016-06-12 Thread Simon Hobson
Didier Kryn wrote: > The dealer will just be instructed to not sell it to people who claim they > will do anything else than using the pre-installed Windows. Eventually yes. But it will make their management aware of us for them to issue the instruction. But bear in mind that a

Re: [DNG] Mate desktop

2016-06-12 Thread richard lucassen
On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 12:24:31 +0100 Rowland Penny wrote: > > I use Ascii myself and I will stay with WindowMaker, so for me > > there's no problem, but does Devuan Jessie have installable Mate > > packages? > > Simple answer, yes, I have just installed Devuan along with

Re: [DNG] ..another new(?) step towards Debian systemd: linux-image-4.6.0-1[-rt]-amd-signed, with MSTF keys...

2016-06-12 Thread Edward Bartolo
Hi, In line with: << That way only the big distros will be able to provide a bootable OS and the poor DIY guy will be definitely disgusted. This EFI thingy will in no way improve the security. It is a pure fallacy. We can survive as long as the BIOS allows non-EFI boot. I hope they will be

Re: [DNG] secure boot

2016-06-12 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 12/06/2016 17:08, Simon Hobson a écrit : Hendrik Boom wrote: How *do* we deal with secure boot? I am terrified of buying a new machine because I'm afraid I won't get to install anything on it wxcept for an OS from one of the big companies that have sweetheart

Re: [DNG] ..another new(?) step towards Debian systemd: linux-image-4.6.0-1[-rt]-amd-signed, with MSTF keys...

2016-06-12 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 12/06/2016 09:14, Jaromil a écrit : On Sun, 12 Jun 2016, Adam Borowski wrote: Until systemd gets some DRM components, that is. I suspect this is going to happen sooner than later. This is just speculation of course, but the sort of vertically integrated architecture systemd is

Re: [DNG] secure boot

2016-06-12 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 12:43:55 +, Stephanie wrote in message : > In most cases right now, we have either the option to disable secure > boot, or there is a version of GRUB that is signed, therefore > permitting booting into

Re: [DNG] secure boot

2016-06-12 Thread Simon Hobson
Hendrik Boom wrote: > How *do* we deal with secure boot? I am terrified of buying a new > machine because I'm afraid I won't get to install anything on it > wxcept for an OS from one of the big companies that have > sweetheart deals with Microsoft. Well (under UK

Re: [DNG] secure boot

2016-06-12 Thread Stephanie Daugherty
In most cases right now, we have either the option to disable secure boot, or there is a version of GRUB that is signed, therefore permitting booting into other operating systems. For right now, investigate before buying to make sure you have the option to boot your operating system of choice. At

[DNG] Ascii install

2016-06-12 Thread KatolaZ
Hi all, just to report that I managed to install Devuan ascii on a new laptop, and everything works just fine. Well, to be honest, I was *not* able to install ascii from the any of the Jessie beta medium, since the d-i wants to install libpam-systemd which depends on systemd, so the install fails

Re: [DNG] secure boot

2016-06-12 Thread Adam Borowski
On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 12:21:14PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 06:35:11AM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > How *do* we deal with secure boot? I am terrified of buying a new > > machine because I'm afraid I won't get to install anything on it > > wxcept for an OS from one of

Re: [DNG] secure boot

2016-06-12 Thread Rowland Penny
On 12/06/16 12:21, KatolaZ wrote: On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 06:35:11AM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: [cut] There's a real question here for us, and for Linux in general. How *do* we deal with secure boot? I am terrified of buying a new machine because I'm afraid I won't get to install anything

Re: [DNG] Mate desktop

2016-06-12 Thread Rowland Penny
On 12/06/16 12:18, richard lucassen wrote: Hello list, For a few friends I installed Mate desktop using Debian. Under Debian systemd is required for running Mate. When trying to install Mate on a Devuan Ascii (using the Debian install commands) I run into a dependency hell of unmet

Re: [DNG] secure boot

2016-06-12 Thread KatolaZ
On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 06:35:11AM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: [cut] > > There's a real question here for us, and for Linux in general. > > How *do* we deal with secure boot? I am terrified of buying a new > machine because I'm afraid I won't get to install anything on it > wxcept for an OS

[DNG] Mate desktop

2016-06-12 Thread richard lucassen
Hello list, For a few friends I installed Mate desktop using Debian. Under Debian systemd is required for running Mate. When trying to install Mate on a Devuan Ascii (using the Debian install commands) I run into a dependency hell of unmet dependencies. And I'd rather use the normal repositories

[DNG] secure boot

2016-06-12 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 06:54:20AM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > Hi, > > > ..another new(?) step towards Debian systemd: > linux-image-4.6.0-1[-rt]-amd-signed, with MSTF keys... : > https://packages.debian.org/sid/linux-image-4.6.0-1-rt-amd64-signed > https://wiki.debian.org/SecureBoot >

Re: [DNG] network-only install from devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_amd64_CD.iso

2016-06-12 Thread Paweł Cholewiński
W dniu 12.06.2016 o 11:50, Lars Noodén pisze: > Thanks. Is git.devuan.org where bug reports should go? For now - yes, git.devuan.org is place where bug should be reported. There is issue https://git.devuan.org/devuan-infrastructure/todo/issues/24 and

Re: [DNG] network-only install from devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_amd64_CD.iso

2016-06-12 Thread Lars Noodén
On 06/12/2016 12:33 PM, Paweł Cholewiński wrote: > W dniu 12.06.2016 o 10:58, Lars Noodén pisze: >> ... >> One question I have is that it seems to install the base system from the >> net rather than taking the base packages from the ISO image. Later, >> "select and install software" downloads

Re: [DNG] Best way to manage wifi / wwan

2016-06-12 Thread Paweł Cholewiński
W dniu 12.06.2016 o 11:19, dr.kl...@gmx.at pisze: > Hi! > > What is currently the best or most reliable work to get wifi / wwan working > for a "consumer"? i.e. I'm looking for an "easy" GUI interface that simply > works. > > Nik > > > Hi Nik, try wicd (#apt-get install wicd;). Paweł

Re: [DNG] network-only install from devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_amd64_CD.iso

2016-06-12 Thread Paweł Cholewiński
W dniu 12.06.2016 o 10:58, Lars Noodén pisze: > I've installed Devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_amd64_CD.iso from USB stick onto > an older MacBook Pro and it installs. > > One question I have is that it seems to install the base system from the > net rather than taking the base packages from the ISO

[DNG] Best way to manage wifi / wwan

2016-06-12 Thread dr . klepp
Hi! What is currently the best or most reliable work to get wifi / wwan working for a "consumer"? i.e. I'm looking for an "easy" GUI interface that simply works. Nik -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA.

Re: [DNG] ..another new(?) step towards Debian systemd: linux-image-4.6.0-1[-rt]-amd-signed, with MSTF keys...

2016-06-12 Thread Lars Noodén
On 06/12/2016 10:14 AM, Jaromil wrote: > On Sun, 12 Jun 2016, Adam Borowski wrote: > >> Until systemd gets some DRM components, that is. > > I suspect this is going to happen sooner than later. This is just > speculation of course, but the sort of vertically integrated > architecture systemd is

[DNG] network-only install from devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_amd64_CD.iso

2016-06-12 Thread Lars Noodén
I've installed Devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_amd64_CD.iso from USB stick onto an older MacBook Pro and it installs. One question I have is that it seems to install the base system from the net rather than taking the base packages from the ISO image. Later, "select and install software" downloads from

Re: [DNG] task-lxde-desktop is needed?

2016-06-12 Thread aitor_czr
Hi emninger, On 10/06/16 10:36, wrote: When i removed slim i saw the package task-lxde-desktop was removed as well. I checked a bit and i saw: This package is used to install Devuan desktop, featuring the LXDE desktop environment, and with other packages that Devuan

Re: [DNG] Devuan powered

2016-06-12 Thread Jaromil
On Sat, 11 Jun 2016, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 11:24:48AM -0400, aitor_czr wrote: > > Hi Hellekin, > > > > I would like to use the following slogan for the beta of gnuinos: > > > > *DEVUAN POWERED* > > > > Did you use an existing typography for the logo of devuan or, on the

Re: [DNG] ..another new(?) step towards Debian systemd: linux-image-4.6.0-1[-rt]-amd-signed, with MSTF keys...

2016-06-12 Thread Jaromil
On Sun, 12 Jun 2016, Adam Borowski wrote: > Until systemd gets some DRM components, that is. I suspect this is going to happen sooner than later. This is just speculation of course, but the sort of vertically integrated architecture systemd is implementing goes in the direction of playing the