Re: [DNG] Ugly, ugly news

On Tue, 7/26/16, Rick Moen wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] Ugly, ugly news To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Tuesday, July 26, 2016, 4:09 AM Quoting Simon Walter (si...@gikaku.com): > Did the Debian leadership do a poll to find out what their users > wanted and who were their

Re: [DNG] Wirth's law

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 12:07:31PM +0100, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > I think you meant to write coroutines, not closures, as that's what go > adopted based on Hoare's 'Communicating Sequential Processes'. That's > also pretty 'old stuff'. It's also unfortunately an instace of something > which

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

Didier Kryn writes: > Le 25/07/2016 23:35, fsmithred a écrit : >> Either way, it >> looks like libsystemd is passively providing code for something else to >> use. > Calling a function does not mean that this function passively > provides code to the caller. But the library

Re: [DNG] Ugly, ugly news

On Tue, 26 Jul 2016 13:52:32 +0200, Stephan wrote in message <20160726t134403.ga.9b7e6.s...@fsing.rootsland.net>: > By the way, the systemd-shim package was orphaned in Debian (bug > #832508). Neither the current maintainers nor upstream are interested > in it anymore. ..can we use it (at

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

dev wrote: << It seems I cannot have a functioning Apache system on Debian 8 without installing at least some minimal facet of systemd and that's problematic if not for any other reason than simply being an unnecesary dependency. What this all really illustrates is the insidious nature of systemd

Re: [DNG] Raspberry Pi 2 and other ARM based credit card computers

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 03:53:22PM +0200, info at smallinnovations.nl wrote: [cut] > > At the moment the Pi 2 beta image is ... well ... bare, even the main module > bcm2835 is not installed by default. To be attractive to those new users we > should have a image available with a minimal

Re: [DNG] Ugly, ugly news

- Original Message - From: "Simon Walter" To: Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 10:27 PM Subject: Re: [DNG] Ugly, ugly news On 07/26/2016 08:03 AM, Adam Borowski wrote: On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 10:06:09PM +, hellekin wrote: On 07/25/2016 06:07

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

On 07/26/2016 09:58 PM, dev wrote: On 07/26/2016 04:26 AM, Rick Moen wrote: libsystemd0's status as a bundle of interface code that does nothing in the absence of systemd is not because it's a library -- obviously -- but rather because all it _contains_ is interface code that does nothing in

Re: [DNG] Ugly, ugly news

On 26/07/16 03:27, Simon Walter wrote: > > I have a question about what Simon Richter said on his > blog(http://www.simonrichter.eu/blog/2016-03-03-why-sysvinit.html): > > "Here's the thing: most users will be entirely happy with fully > uncustomized systemd. It will suspend your laptop if you

Re: [DNG] Ugly, ugly news

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 02:09:42AM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: I personally wish there _had_ been pondering of a guiding plan at this point -- and that the Project had decided to dump GNOME, which would have made the original problem go away. Unfortunately, that was not the Maybe this problem,

Re: [DNG] Ugly, ugly news

On 07/26/2016 06:09 PM, Rick Moen wrote: Quoting Simon Walter (si...@gikaku.com): Did the Debian leadership do a poll to find out what their users wanted and who were their typical users? To the based of my recollection, no. To be clear, in the blog passage you quoted, Simon Richter

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

On 07/25/2016 06:09 PM, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 25/07/2016 23:35, fsmithred a écrit : >> Either way, it >> looks like libsystemd is passively providing code for something else to >> use. > Calling a function does not mean that this function passively provides > code to the caller. What happens

Re: [DNG] Wirth's law

Jaromil writes: > On Sun, 24 Jul 2016, Rainer Weikusat wrote: >> Didier Kryn writes: >> > Le 22/07/2016 18:21, Brian Nash a écrit : >> >> For example, when I discovered multithreading, all my programs used it >> >> in some way, even when it was unnecessary. >> >

Re: [DNG] Wirth's law

Didier Kryn writes: > Le 25/07/2016 01:29, Rainer Weikusat a écrit : >> Sleeping on a contended mutex is implemented in this way. But that's >> supposed to be an exceptional case. > > This is why, while advertizing itself as a cool "don't care" > feature, a mutex is

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

On 07/25/2016 05:57 PM, Rick Moen wrote: > If you ever feel like trying a less-brittle Desktop Environment ('DE'), > consider LXQt or Enlightenment. (A more-radical step would be no DE at > all, which is my personal preference. To me, a DE is a goulash of apps I > want with ones I don't, so I

Re: [DNG] Ugly, ugly news

Quoting Simon Walter (si...@gikaku.com): > Did the Debian leadership do a poll to find out what their users > wanted and who were their typical users? To the based of my recollection, no. To be clear, in the blog passage you quoted, Simon Richter (whoever _he_ is) _didn't assert_ that Debian

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

Rick Moen wrote: >> OK, that's what I thought, which is at odds with some comments that have >> been made. > > Well, if you're referring to 'comments that have been made' about > libsystemd0, the more useful (IMO) comments characterised what is > actually present in that

Re: [DNG] Ugly, ugly news

On 07/26/2016 04:27 PM, Edward Bartolo wrote: Simon Walker wrote: << Here's the thing: most users will be entirely happy with fully uncustomized systemd. It will suspend your laptop if you close the lid, and even give your download manager veto power. I fully support Debian's decision to use

Re: [DNG] Ugly, ugly news

On 07/26/2016 03:45 PM, Steve Litt wrote: On Tue, 26 Jul 2016 11:27:20 +0900 Simon Walter wrote: We need to drive a wedge into the FOSS community and separate the desktop users from the professionals. I am sorry to be divisive, but the water is under the bridge and the

Re: [DNG] Ugly, ugly news

Simon Walker wrote: << Here's the thing: most users will be entirely happy with fully uncustomized systemd. It will suspend your laptop if you close the lid, and even give your download manager veto power. I fully support Debian's decision to use systemd as the default init for new installs,

Re: [DNG] Ugly, ugly news

Steve Litt wrote: > I wouldn't split it desktop/server or desktop/professional. It didn't > split that way. Very truthfully, it split smart guys vs dumb guys, with > the dumb ones remaining in Debian. I think you're conflating being intelligent with having values similar to your own. Debian and

Re: [DNG] Ugly, ugly news

Le 26/07/2016 04:27, Simon Walter a écrit : "Here's the thing: most users will be entirely happy with fully uncustomized systemd. It will suspend your laptop if you close the lid, and even give your download manager veto power. I fully support Debian's decision to use systemd as the default

Re: [DNG] Ugly, ugly news

On Tue, 26 Jul 2016 11:27:20 +0900 Simon Walter wrote: > We need to drive a wedge into the FOSS community and separate the > desktop users from the professionals. I am sorry to be divisive, but > the water is under the bridge and the damage has already been done. You might