Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

Quoting Simon Walter (si...@gikaku.com): > Which is why it could be construed that you disagree with a fork of > Debian - a for of Debian as in "A fork of Debian that could be said > to have been started because the default init system in Debian > became systemd." - that fork of Debian - not a

Re: [DNG] Ugly, ugly news

Quoting emnin...@riseup.net (emnin...@riseup.net): > Hi Rick! Cheerful greetings! > > I see all of them as being > > problems, because they're all managed as CADT-style projects > > (unstable, forever being EOLed and rewritten from scratch, etc.), > > create problems for other codebases, and

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

On 07/30/2016 04:18 AM, Rick Moen wrote: Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): In all fairness to Rick, he was making his statements on SVLUG, and then, on DNG, *I* referenced the SVLUG archive of the SVLUG discussion, and only then did he repeat his assertions here. And my

Re: [DNG] Bug#832508: O: systemd-shim -- SysVinit shim for systemd

Quoting Nate Bargmann (n...@n0nb.us): > For the recent few years GTK 3 can be thought of as GNOME ToolKit as > its developers are from the GNOME project and bug reports have been met > with retorts from devs such as 'you need to decide if you're a GNOME > project or not', or 'what's an Xfce?'

Re: [DNG] flat tires in SystemD

SystemD needs no tires: it normally floats silently on an air cushion with little to no energy requirements. When it encounters air turbulence it intelligently changes its propulsion system to one that uses a highly advanced system of super-conducting magnets. Due to its huge surface area, it has

Re: [DNG] Bug#832508: O: systemd-shim -- SysVinit shim for systemd

* On 2016 29 Jul 17:40 -0500, Rick Moen wrote: > Since then, LXDE has been (recently) pitched because the developers > realised gtk+ 3.x is terrible (something the GNOME, Unity, MATE, > Cinnamon, Unity, etc. people apparently still haven't realised) and > its replacement LXQt is a bit raw but

Re: [DNG] Ugly, ugly news

On 07/29/2016 08:53 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: Can we get Joey Hess to review it? -- hendrik I don't know him, but i think that he would not oppose it :) Aitor. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [DNG] Ugly, ugly news

Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > It was a corporate LUG. Kill the LUG, every cent in the treasury must > go to a 501C3, so they'd be starting with not a nickel to their name. I suppose that would do it. You may know that I maintain the Linux User Group HOWTO for the Linux

Re: [DNG] Bug#832508: O: systemd-shim -- SysVinit shim for systemd

Quoting Adam Borowski (kilob...@angband.pl): > Well, have you bothered taking a look? To be honest, no, not a lot, because I avoid GNOME as well as the rest of this stuff. The point I was making is that calling the presence of systemd-logind 'running systemd on a system' is highly misleading.

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

Quoting Jaromil (jaro...@dyne.org): [much snipped] Jaromil, you are a prince. Yes, I am sarcastic and inclined to mock when I think something is fanatical and/or purblind. I am often wrong, and all too often woefully undercaffeinated. I also have a nasty habit of backing people into

Re: [DNG] Ugly, ugly news

Quoting Edward Bartolo (edb...@gmail.com): > Nuances?! If it is a subtle difference, it can usually be ignored. Are > you trying to impress me? If that is the case, I am well past the age > of surprise. You're right, my mistake. That wasn't a nuance. You actually missed the _entirety_ of what

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

Quoting Simon Walter (si...@gikaku.com): > Rick, that's exactly what I was talking about. You might be well > intentioned, but in so many words you are saying that you disagree > with a fork of Debian. Um, excuse me, but I didn't say that. > If you really think Devuan is wrong, then flight it

[DNG] flat tires in SystemD

On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 09:02:22AM -0300, Marlon Nunes wrote: > https://www.ubuntubsd.org/wiki:why_not_systemd > > 12 points about why its bad. > My favorite line from this is "reinvents the flat tire" -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

Quoting info at smallinnovations.nl (i...@smallinnovations.nl): > On 29-07-16 01:43, Rick Moen wrote: > >Quoting info at smallinnovations.nl (i...@smallinnovations.nl): > > > >>I am a sysadmin myself and why in hell would i like to rebuild local > >>packages? > > >One of my worst and most

Re: [DNG] A nice summary about what's bad about SystemD

Quoting Go Linux (goli...@yahoo.com): > Here's another one: > > http://judecnelson.blogspot.com/2014/09/systemd-biggest-fallacies.html Yes, I know that one and think it's OK, but it's a great deal longer and is metadiscussion. Not the same category of piece at all. I appreciate the UbuntuBSD

Re: [DNG] Ugly, ugly news

Quoting Edward Bartolo (edb...@gmail.com): > Rich Meon wrote: Seriously, now? Isn't this just a bit childish? > For a "process-person" to claim publishing a manifesto (Debian Social > Contract) and then, unexpectedly, stressing "They do what they think > is best, and claim it best meets the

[DNG] On quora.

On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 12:17:16PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > True story. As one of ten founders of a LUG in 1999, and > concerned about some future "evil group" "kidnapping" the LUG, I > convinced everyone to put a very difficult quorum requirement into the > constitution. Everyone was excited

Re: [DNG] A nice summary about what's bad about SystemD

Quoting Marlon Nunes (nu...@openmailbox.org): > https://www.ubuntubsd.org/wiki:why_not_systemd > > 12 points about why its bad. I like this a lot because it's concise, very clear, and non-ranty. Actually, I've been looking for a while for a single-stop place to refer people to, and can't

Re: [DNG] Ugly, ugly news

On Fri, 29 Jul 2016 08:10:40 -0400 Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 10:05:20AM +, hellekin wrote: > > I'm very much concerned that our own Devuan Constitution inherit the > > "toxicity" that Joey Hess interpreted in the Debian Constitution, > > and

Re: [DNG] A nice summary about what's bad about SystemD

On Fri, 29 Jul 2016, Marlon Nunes wrote: > https://www.ubuntubsd.org/wiki:why_not_systemd > > 12 points about why its bad. very good read. I never considered point 3 really. Makes sense and indeed is quite worrying to imagine the consequences: > Since systemd is very tightly welded with the

Re: [DNG] A nice summary about what's bad about SystemD

On Fri, 29 Jul 2016 09:02:22 -0300, Marlon wrote in message <84cee18669768451a14d662b41d5e...@openmailbox.org>: > https://www.ubuntubsd.org/wiki:why_not_systemd > > 12 points about why its bad. ..I disagree with #12, the SystemD people knows perfectly well what they wanna use SystemD for,

[DNG] A nice summary about what's bad about SystemD

https://www.ubuntubsd.org/wiki:why_not_systemd 12 points about why its bad. -- Stop slacking you lazy bum! ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Devuan Sticker Poll

On Fri, 29 Jul 2016 08:41:02 +, hellekin wrote in message <7a010170-9fe0-9a6a-d2d1-7561aad7c...@dyne.org>: > Dear Devuan supporters, > > We've been talking[0] to unixstickers.com for original, high-quality > Devuan stickers giving back a percentage of the proceeds to the > project as part

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

On 07/29/2016 06:27 PM, Simon Hobson wrote: I wrote: ... and in a place where "the IT world starts and ends with Windows" (or more or less did when I started here) that's not a bad result. And bear in mind that when I started here and pointed out that as a Mac user, half of our internal

Re: [DNG] Ugly, ugly news

On 07/29/2016 07:28 AM, Edward Bartolo wrote: > > According to you, voters vote for a political party basing their vote > on the party's electoral manifesto, then suddenly when the party wins > the government, they can be told the government does what they think > is best, and claim it best meets

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

I wrote: > ... and in a place where "the IT world starts and ends with Windows" (or more > or less did when I started here) that's not a bad result. And bear in mind that when I started here and pointed out that as a Mac user, half of our internal systems didn't work properly* - the lead

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

info at smallinnovations.nl wrote: >> Great, so answer me a question: How are you getting a system without >> libsystemd0 today? > Waiting for Devuan or using something else then Linux as i told in the part > of my message you did not quote. This. Plus in the

Re: [DNG] Linux-Speakup-friendly emails: was question about, mailing lists

On July 29, 2016 9:52:32 AM GMT+02:00, KatolaZ wrote: >On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 02:29:22PM -1000, Joel Roth wrote: > >[cut] > >> >> As of Aug. 14, 2015: >> >> ...Speakup is now part of the Linux kernel's staging tree, >> so you will find the source for its kernel modules

[DNG] Devuan Sticker Poll

Dear Devuan supporters, We've been talking[0] to unixstickers.com for original, high-quality Devuan stickers giving back a percentage of the proceeds to the project as part of https://devuan.org/os/shopping. Our choice are narrowed down to three types of stickers, and I'd like to know about your

Re: [DNG] Linux-Speakup-friendly emails: was question about, mailing lists

On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 02:29:22PM -1000, Joel Roth wrote: [cut] > > As of Aug. 14, 2015: > > ...Speakup is now part of the Linux kernel's staging tree, > so you will find the source for its kernel modules in the > source tarballs and git repositories of the kernel itself. > >

Re: [DNG] configure a wifi connection from commandline

Try this link. If it helps, please inform post back. http://www.pc-freak.net/blog/how-to-connect-to-wifi-network-using-console-or-terminal-on-gnu-linux/ Thanks -- Those who abuse me will be banned immediately from my email account. Here, I am communicating with supposedly intelligent adults

Re: [DNG] Ugly, ugly news

Rich Meon wrote: << Quoting Edward Bartolo (edb...@gmail.com): > The above quote clearly contradicts the scope of Debian Social Contract. > https://www.debian.org/social_contract Ummm... > Item no: 4 is in contradiction of what you are claiming. > > Quote from Debian Social Contract: > << > Our