Re: [DNG] Fwd: init system agnosticism [WAS: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system]

On Wed, 12 Apr 2017 22:32:32 -0400 Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 08:13:46PM -0400, Dan Purgert wrote: > > > > > > On 04/12/2017 11:58 AM, Steve Litt wrote: > > > [...] > > > Systemd actively sabotages the ability to replace it, whereas no > > > other

Re: [DNG] Fwd: init system agnosticism [WAS: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system]

Quoting Hendrik Boom (hend...@topoi.pooq.com): [...] > We support potential devuan users who wish option (2) by having them use > Debian's installer, Debian's packages, and Debian's mailing lists, all > available directly from Debian's mirrors. Well and fairly stated, IMO. I'll also ask: Has

Re: [DNG] Fwd: init system agnosticism [WAS: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system]

On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 08:13:46PM -0400, Dan Purgert wrote: > > > On 04/12/2017 11:58 AM, Steve Litt wrote: > > [...] > > Systemd actively sabotages the ability to replace it, whereas no > > other inits do that (that I know of). It would be stupid of Devuan to > > allow systemd into their

Re: [DNG] Fwd: init system agnosticism [WAS: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system]

On 04/12/2017 11:58 AM, Steve Litt wrote: > [...] > Systemd actively sabotages the ability to replace it, whereas no > other inits do that (that I know of). It would be stupid of Devuan to > allow systemd into their software. Wouldn't it also be kind of undoing the whole reason that the

Re: [DNG] gvfs depends on libsystemd0

Quoting Alessandro Selli (alessandrose...@linux.com): > As sudo can be made to operate either requiring the user to type his > own password or no password, stating (now) that just "a particular usage > model" of sudo constiutes a proxy for the superuser's password can only > refer to the case

Re: [DNG] gvfs depends on libsystemd0

Il 12/04/2017 03:32, Rick Moen ha scritto: > Quoting Alessandro Selli (alessandrose...@linux.com): > >> I argued against the assertion by Rick Moen that sudo constitutes "a >> proxy for the root password"... > I did not so state. > > I characterised a particular usage model of sudo as such. As

Re: [DNG] Fwd: init system agnosticism [WAS: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system]

On 12.04.2017 17:58, Steve Litt wrote: > I have no knowledge of the origin of this thread, probably having to do > with my .procmailrc /dev/nulling certain people. But I have a very > clear message about this thread's subject: There's no place in Devuan > for init system agnosticism if such

Re: [DNG] Testing samba for release candidate: help needed

On Wed, 12 Apr 2017, Jaromil wrote: > On Wed, 12 Apr 2017, KatolaZ wrote: > > > I am up to include a workaround to the > > long-standing samba version conflict problem. > > yep. apparently the only solution we have for now is pinning. update on this: we are rolling out an "hot fix" on the

Re: [DNG] Fwd: init system agnosticism [WAS: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system]

On Wed, 12 Apr 2017, Steve Litt wrote: > Systemd actively sabotages the ability to replace it, whereas no > other inits do that (that I know of). It would be stupid of Devuan > to allow systemd into their software. we go even further Steve: we will also not allow the systemd hooligans to

Re: [DNG] Fwd: init system agnosticism [WAS: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system]

On Wed, 12 Apr 2017 08:29:00 +0100 KatolaZ wrote: > On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 08:41:23AM +0200, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT > consult wrote: > > Hi folks, > > > > > > FYI: just posted that to debian-devel. > > What's your opponion on that ? > > > > > > "...They have taken

Re: [DNG] Testing samba for release candidate: help needed

On Wed, 12 Apr 2017, KatolaZ wrote: > I am up to include a workaround to the > long-standing samba version conflict problem. yep. apparently the only solution we have for now is pinning. its a bit of a pity since Devuan Jessie is adamantine: thanks to Nextime's work on Amprolla (being

[DNG] Testing samba for release candidate: help needed

Hi folks, we are trying to bash the outstanding Balrog...ehm...bugs for the Release Candidate. I am up to include a workaround to the long-standing samba version conflict problem. Please join #devuan-dev asap to help testing. Thanks KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - GLUGCT --

Re: [DNG] Fwd: init system agnosticism [WAS: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system]

On Wed, 12 Apr 2017, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting KatolaZ (kato...@freaknet.org): > > > "...They have taken the bridge and the second hall. We have barred the > > gates but cannot hold them for long. The ground shakes, drums... drums > > in the deep. We cannot get out. A shadow lurks in the dark.

Re: [DNG] Fwd: init system agnosticism [WAS: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system]

Quoting KatolaZ (kato...@freaknet.org): > "...They have taken the bridge and the second hall. We have barred the > gates but cannot hold them for long. The ground shakes, drums... drums > in the deep. We cannot get out. A shadow lurks in the dark. We can not > get out... they are coming"

Re: [DNG] Fwd: init system agnosticism [WAS: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system]

On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 08:41:23AM +0200, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult wrote: > Hi folks, > > > FYI: just posted that to debian-devel. > What's your opponion on that ? > > "...They have taken the bridge and the second hall. We have barred the gates but cannot hold them for long. The

[DNG] Fwd: init system agnosticism [WAS: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system]

Hi folks, FYI: just posted that to debian-devel. What's your opponion on that ? --mtx Forwarded Message Subject: init system agnosticism [WAS: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system] Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2017 08:38:26 +0200 From: Enrico Weigelt,