Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-06-17 Thread Steve Litt
On Sat, 17 Jun 2017 22:18:16 +0200 Dragan FOSS wrote: > On 17.06.2017. 17:26, Steve Litt wrote: > > > Are you nuts ? > > There are rumors, but there is no official evidence :) > > >excusing the Gnome project for the > > *horrible design decisions* they've

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-06-17 Thread Joel Roth
Dragan FOSS wrote: > On 17.06.2017. 17:26, Steve Litt wrote: > > >Are you nuts ? > > There are rumors, but there is no official evidence :) > > >excusing the Gnome project for the > >*horrible design decisions* they've made. > > If you don't like it, don't use it, but don't impose

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-06-17 Thread Dragan FOSS
On 17.06.2017. 17:26, Steve Litt wrote: Are you nuts ? There are rumors, but there is no official evidence :) excusing the Gnome project for the *horrible design decisions* they've made. If you don't like it, don't use it, but don't impose your *design* opinions on others and

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-06-17 Thread Dragan FOSS
On 17.06.2017. 19:46, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: The only interesting information would be: "Is it possible to install and run Gnome without having installed systemd ?" Of course it is possible...TRIOS is proof of concept for that. the only part that does not work(although it must be

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-06-17 Thread zap
can't do this at the moment, my computer screen is messed up on my devuan ascii computer. alas... and I don't want to wait two hours to reinstall the whole damn thing... so I am at a crossroads. ;/ oh well but thank you for telling me about this. When I get it fixed, I will gladly try it out.

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-06-17 Thread zap
On 06/17/2017 11:26 AM, Steve Litt wrote: > On Sat, 17 Jun 2017 03:39:28 +0200 > Dragan FOSS wrote: > >> On 17.06.2017. 03:09, Gary Olzeke wrote: >>> and XFCE is Devuan's initial Desktop too! >> Hm? Currently, I'm using GNOME 3 ;> > Are you nuts ? > > :-) > >

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-06-17 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > Would it prevent you from installing runit or s6 or Suckless Init + > daemontools-encore + LittKit or Epoch? In my experiments with Debian's init system packages on Debian 8 'Jessie', I had no problems installing and using the OpenRC or runit

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-06-17 Thread Ron
On Sat, 17 Jun 2017 17:25:59 + Bruce Perens wrote: > Can we be a little more focused, please? Gnome went for systemd. While I > don't think it was a good decision, it should not cause you to write off > the entirety of Gnome for their lack of philososophical purity. Debuan

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-06-17 Thread Bruce Perens
Can we be a little more focused, please? Gnome went for systemd. While I don't think it was a good decision, it should not cause you to write off the entirety of Gnome for their lack of philososophical purity. Debuan is built to protect your choices, not to rule some of them out for political

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-06-17 Thread Steve Litt
On Sat, 17 Jun 2017 03:39:28 +0200 Dragan FOSS wrote: > On 17.06.2017. 03:09, Gary Olzeke wrote: > > and XFCE is Devuan's initial Desktop too! > > Hm? Currently, I'm using GNOME 3 ;> Are you nuts ? :-) Gnome3 and systemd are long time lovers in the tightest

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-06-17 Thread Steve Litt
I wouldn't have systemd on my system, PID1 or otherwise, for the same reason I kicked all KDE apps and libs off my computer in 2013: monolithically entangled complexity that leads to instability if it ever gets run, directly or indirectly. The first couple years it was hard for me to run a system

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-06-17 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 16 Jun 2017 14:22:16 -0700 Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting zap (calmst...@posteo.de): > > > how does one remove that package without removing anything else? > > > > I mean how do you remove it from being depended on by nearly every > > bit of software... > > > > I want

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-06-17 Thread zap
okay, then. The computer I have it on needs some work anyways. On 06/17/2017 04:27 AM, KatolaZ wrote: > On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 04:24:04AM -0400, zap wrote: >> No I never said that openrc requires systemd or libsystemd0 matter of >> fact it would remove the libsystemd0 and most of the software on

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-06-17 Thread KatolaZ
On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 04:24:04AM -0400, zap wrote: > No I never said that openrc requires systemd or libsystemd0 matter of > fact it would remove the libsystemd0 and most of the software on my > devuan ascii install. > OK. As I said, please hold fire with openrc on ascii, since those packages

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-06-17 Thread zap
No I never said that openrc requires systemd or libsystemd0 matter of fact it would remove the libsystemd0 and most of the software on my devuan ascii install. On 06/17/2017 01:40 AM, KatolaZ wrote: > On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 08:55:44PM -0400, zap wrote: > > [cut] > >> depends, for me I cannot

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-06-17 Thread Svante Signell
On Fri, 2017-06-16 at 18:44 -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting zap (calmst...@posteo.de): > > > Anyways I am using devuan ascii and for some reason such an error > > does > > exist.  I don't know why though... I want openrc though instead and > > it > > doesn't seem to let me install it without

[DNG] Missing scrollbars and input widgets in firefox-esr for ascii

2017-06-17 Thread Tom
Firefox ESR in ascii seems to have problems showing the scrollbar thumb and checkbox/radio/text input outlines. I've found relevant bug reports on Firefox bugzilla, but they appear to have been fixed in Firefox 48/49. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1230955