[DNG] what looks for gsettings?

2017-06-18 Thread Haines Brown
Not a real problem, but annoying. I have a new installation of Devuan Jessie that has an X server, the fluxbox window manager, but no desktop environment. When I boot, just before the log in prompt is the message: "-bash: gsettings: command not found" Why do I have anything gnomish in the

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-06-18 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 18 Jun 2017 08:41:15 -0400 Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 05:16:34AM -0700, Bruce Perens wrote: > > On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 3:19 AM, Joachim Fahrner > > wrote: > > > > > > systemd is not not only an init system, it is expanding

[DNG] results of upgrade from devaun jessie to ascii

2017-06-18 Thread Dave Turner
This is on an 11 year old Apple Imac, slim would not play nicely at all when I did the upgrade from debian wheezy to devuan jessie, left me with a black screen. After many weeks of jessie it seems like a good time to move on to ascii. I have decided to keep to a minimal setup set up so I am

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-06-18 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 05:16:34AM -0700, Bruce Perens wrote: > On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 3:19 AM, Joachim Fahrner wrote: > > > > systemd is not not only an init system, it is expanding to a whole eco > > system around the linux kernel, creating apis for everything you can think

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-06-18 Thread Bruce Perens
On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 3:19 AM, Joachim Fahrner wrote: > > systemd is not not only an init system, it is expanding to a whole eco > system around the linux kernel, creating apis for everything you can think > of. Systemd started with the desire to communicate the desktop

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-06-18 Thread Joachim Fahrner
Am 2017-06-18 12:08, schrieb info at smallinnovations dot nl: Expanding to that we can even make a libsystemd0 that actually works with any init system (except systemd) for all relevant init parts and to all other calls answering that systemd is not present. I think most of you are wrong

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-06-18 Thread info at smallinnovations dot nl
On 18-06-17 10:54, Rick Moen wrote: Quoting Bruce Perens (br...@perens.com): It seems to me that expanding on the current libsystemd0 stub so that it *actually does something *but *is still not systemd *would be a good way to go. Word. I'd been thinking of suggesting that, but you said it

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-06-18 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Bruce Perens (br...@perens.com): > It seems to me that expanding on the current libsystemd0 stub so that > it *actually > does something *but *is still not systemd *would be a good way to go. Word. I'd been thinking of suggesting that, but you said it before I could get around to

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-06-18 Thread Bruce Perens
Before we cast stones at Gnome, let's remember that the Debian project from which Devuan is descended has done a good many screwed up things in its history, besides locking their distribution into systemd. We can't pose as paragons of virtue. I support getting GNOME to be available out-of-the-box

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-06-18 Thread taii...@gmx.com
On 06/17/2017 01:25 PM, Bruce Perens wrote: Can we be a little more focused, please? Gnome went for systemd. While I don't think it was a good decision, it should not cause you to write off the entirety of Gnome for their lack of philososophical purity. A philosophical purity issue would be a