Re: [DNG] How to use golang-1.7?

I have it installed in windows at work. These might be useful to you. https://tecadmin.net/install-go-on-debian/ https://golang.org/dl/ ozi On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 10:46 AM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > I installed golang-1.7 and could not find golang's main executable

Re: [DNG] devuan ascii - how much of systemd is still in there?

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 10:34:06PM +0100, Dave Turner wrote: > On 17/08/17 21:13, Adam Borowski wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 08:17:56PM +0100, Dave Turner wrote: > > > Having a bottle of wine before I start the devuan-jessie install and the > > > systemd purge... > > > > > > (hey, I need a

[DNG] openbox-themes in ASCII?

In Debian Wheezy, there was a package called openbox-themes (https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/openbox-themes), offering a pretty nice collection of themes for the Openbox window manager, some of them coming with matching GTK2 themes. Unfortunately, this package has been dropped with the release

[DNG] another "debian" that should be "devuan"

In aptitude, running interactively, when highlighting "New Packages" it gives the explanation These packages have been added to Debian ... Presumably it should say Devuan. I'll leave it to others to decide whether this is worth changing... But if it *is* worth changing, maybe there should be

Re: [DNG] OT: most processors are insecure (was Re: Nvidia Drivers)

Quoting Alessandro Selli (alessandrose...@linux.com): > >> "This is a NOMMU chip, implemented as Harvard architecture (separate > >> Instruction and Data busses) with a 5 stage pipeline, with 16k cache (8k > >> instruction, 8k data), supported by a memory controller interfacing with > >> up to

Re: [DNG] devuan ascii - how much of systemd is still in there?

Dave wrote: > I deleted /lib/udev and all the sub-directories - I'm running eudev right? > What could possibly go wrong? Still works, but whatever it is that sets the > font size is now broken, the font is huge! I suppose 'something' now thinks > the display is an old 640 x 380. Please keep

Re: [DNG] suggestion

Hi, Kees Schoenmakers writes: > When I installed Devuan first time on my (recently new) hardware, I > was initially left with some vague information provided by 'lspci'. > That hindered me by searching/selecting the right > drivers and X configuration. I discovered the 'update_pciids' utility >

Re: [DNG] OT: most processors are insecure (was Re: Nvidia Drivers)

On Thu, 17 Aug 2017 at 15:14:26 -0700 Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Alessandro Selli (alessandrose...@linux.com): > >> Plus, it seems to target SoC and IoT devices rather than desktops: >> >> http://j-core.org/roadmap.html > > _Initially_, yes. But not thereafter. > >>

Re: [DNG] OT: most processors are insecure (was Re: Nvidia Drivers)

Quoting Adam Borowski (kilob...@angband.pl): [j-core:] > Alas, they seem to be suspiciously quiet within the last year or so. D. Jeff Dionne wrote on http://lists.j-core.org/pipermail/j-core/2017-August/000645.html : We have not done a release in a while. Not because we stopped, rather

Re: [DNG] OT: most processors are insecure (was Re: Nvidia Drivers)

Quoting Alessandro Selli (alessandrose...@linux.com): > Plus, it seems to target SoC and IoT devices rather than desktops: > > http://j-core.org/roadmap.html _Initially_, yes. But not thereafter. > "This is a NOMMU chip, implemented as Harvard architecture (separate > Instruction and Data

Re: [DNG] OT: most processors are insecure (was Re: Nvidia Drivers)

On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 at 23:11:32 +0200 Adam Borowski wrote: > On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 01:26:15PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > > I'm watching the J-Core project, which has resurrected the Hitachi > > SuperH SH3/SH4 architecture as the patents expire, and should have a > > fully

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

On Thu, 17 Aug 2017 at 10:05:55 -0400 Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 02:17:03AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > > Every time one uses the word "cgroups" he's subtly arguing for > > systemd. Every time one uses the word "DE" he's subtly arguing for > >

Re: [DNG] devuan ascii - how much of systemd is still in there?

On 17/08/17 22:34, Dave Turner wrote: On 17/08/17 21:13, Adam Borowski wrote: On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 08:17:56PM +0100, Dave Turner wrote: Thanks Joel, but I have my 'killing head' on. _ANYTHING_ on wheezy that dares to mention systemd is gone. Still works. Having a bottle of wine before I

Re: [DNG] devuan ascii - how much of systemd is still in there?

On 17/08/17 21:13, Adam Borowski wrote: On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 08:17:56PM +0100, Dave Turner wrote: Thanks Joel, but I have my 'killing head' on. _ANYTHING_ on wheezy that dares to mention systemd is gone. Still works. Having a bottle of wine before I start the devuan-jessie install and the

Re: [DNG] devuan ascii - how much of systemd is still in there?

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 08:17:56PM +0100, Dave Turner wrote: > Thanks Joel, but I have my 'killing head' on. _ANYTHING_ on wheezy that > dares to mention systemd is gone. Still works. > > Having a bottle of wine before I start the devuan-jessie install and the > systemd purge... > > (hey, I need

Re: [DNG] d1h pre-requisites

The package is called gnupg, itis on jessie, and if I recall correctly, it should also be already part of your system. You can find out with: dpkg -l | grep gnupg On 08/17/2017 10:00 AM, Gary Olzeke wrote: Trying to follow the d1h article at dev1galaxy.org id=#549

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

On 17/08/17 09:16, Harald Arnesen wrote: Rick Moen [2017-08-17 00:55]: So, here's a point: If you have a Linux system with Thunar (graphical file manager) and the xfwm4 window manager, I'm betting that those _are_ 99% of what you think of as 'XFCE4'. Not quite. I'm betting that you don't

Re: [DNG] devuan ascii - how much of systemd is still in there?

On 17/08/17 08:46, Joel Roth wrote: Dave Turner wrote: I have boot from a debian 6 squeeze CD, anything later refuses to boot the iMac. (Fedora has failed since fedora 13, Tinycore linux boots, Slackware boots) Then I do a dist-upgrade to wheezy, that takes it straight to 7.11 which has the

Re: [DNG] ..today's el Reg heads-up: "Red Hat banishes Btrfs from RHEL"

Quoting Arnt Karlsen (a...@iaksess.no): > ..today's el Reg heads-up: "Red Hat banishes Btrfs from RHEL, ZFS On > Linux adds the proper crypto Google wants before considering Btfrs for > Android" got me curious, so I looked into it. ;o)

Re: [DNG] Updating PCI ID lists in installer (Was: suggestion)

> On Aug 17, 2017, at 11:16 AM, Simon Hobson wrote: > > John Franklin wrote: > >> Adding a network dependency on a package install is generally a bad idea. >> What happens if the machine doesn’t have external network access, as is >> often the case

[DNG] Devuan presentation at Chemnitzer Linux-Tage (Germany) 2018?

Another advice is to avoid making analogies. Instead stick to plain facts. An analogy may help but given the audience is receptive. Remember, you will have a mixture of people with many of them convinced users of systemd. ___ Dng mailing list

Re: [DNG] Updating PCI ID lists in installer (Was: suggestion)

John Franklin wrote: > Adding a network dependency on a package install is generally a bad idea. > What happens if the machine doesn’t have external network access, as is often > the case for corporate build servers or people installing Devuan from USB > sticks where the

[DNG] d1h pre-requisites

Trying to follow the d1h article at dev1galaxy.org id=#549 it says it needs "gpg (for package signing)" apt-get can't find the package on jessie or experimental-main ' that should mean that it isn't in debian either ??!! ' I found this from google - is it the same? GnuPG

Re: [DNG] suggestion

> On Aug 17, 2017, at 3:31 AM, Kees Schoenmakers wrote: > > When I installed Devuan first time on my (recently new) hardware, I > was initially left with some vague information provided by 'lspci'. > That hindered me by searching/selecting the right > drivers and X

[DNG] ..today's el Reg heads-up: "Red Hat banishes Btrfs from RHEL"

Hi, ..today's el Reg heads-up: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/08/16/red_hat_banishes_btrfs_from_rhel/ "Red Hat banishes Btrfs from RHEL, ZFS On Linux adds the proper crypto Google wants before considering Btfrs for Android" got me curious, so I looked into it. ;o) ..from

[DNG] ..today's el Reg heads-up: "Red Hat banishes Btrfs from RHEL"

Hi, ..today's el Reg heads-up: "Red Hat banishes Btrfs from RHEL, ZFS On Linux adds the proper crypto Google wants before considering Btfrs for Android" got me curious, so I looked into it. ;o) ..from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Btrfs and a bunch of wiki pages, it seems somebody at Red Hat

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 10:05:55AM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 02:17:03AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > > Every time one uses the word "cgroups" he's subtly arguing for > > systemd. Every time one uses the word "DE" he's subtly arguing for > > complex, and usually bloated,

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

Android apps run in one process each, and anything in the background may be killed at any moment. If you are in the background and the foreground app needs memory, you just die. If the system invokes you, you do not get another process, you get another thread in your existing process. Thus,

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 02:17:03AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > Every time one uses the word "cgroups" he's subtly arguing for > systemd. Every time one uses the word "DE" he's subtly arguing for > complex, and usually bloated, GOSFUIs. Just wondering. Does Android use cgroups in its attampt to

Re: [DNG] suggestion

On Thu, 17 Aug 2017 09:31:10 +0200, Kees wrote in message

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

Quoting Rowland Penny (rpe...@samba.org): > Probably because you don't want to see it, your tone seemed to say > 'Butt out Steve' That's indeed approximately what I said to my friend Steve, albeit quite a bit more politely than you're paraphrasing it. But the point is that this is very much

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

On Thu, 17 Aug 2017 04:15:58 -0700 Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Rowland Penny (rpe...@samba.org): > > > Certainly: > > > > [quote] > > Steve, please stop helping. As you often do, you are just adding > > noise. [/quote] > > I remain unclear on how politely asking my friend

Re: [DNG] openssl/libssl1 in Debian has disabled TLS 1.0 & 1.1

ael writes: I am happy with that. Just as long as one can enable it when *necessary*. You have a compiler and building is easy. What is unacceptable is for Devuan to take away the freedom to read email or prevent communication with devices which cannot be updated. Keep in mind that

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

Quoting Rowland Penny (rpe...@samba.org): > Certainly: > > [quote] > Steve, please stop helping. As you often do, you are just adding noise. > [/quote] I remain unclear on how politely asking my friend to stop 'helping' in this case prevents him from ignoring my request, if he prefers to

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

On Thu, 17 Aug 2017 04:01:50 -0700 Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Rowland Penny (rpe...@samba.org): > > > Rick, Steve has just as much a right to a point of view as you do. > > In fact, you both seem to be saying the same thing, just in > > different ways. > > I'm missing the

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

Quoting Rowland Penny (rpe...@samba.org): > Rick, Steve has just as much a right to a point of view as you do. In > fact, you both seem to be saying the same thing, just in different ways. I'm missing the part where I decreed to my friend Steve he has no right to butt into a conversation I've

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

On Thu, 17 Aug 2017 03:32:31 -0700 Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > > > That wouldn't be true of me. Back when I was an Xfce user, I defined > > Xfce as: > > > > * Able to use multiple panels > > * Able to config the panels via right

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

Quoting Harald Arnesen (har...@skogtun.org): > Rick Moen [2017-08-17 00:55]: > > > So, here's a point: If you have a Linux system with Thunar (graphical > > file manager) and the xfwm4 window manager, I'm betting that those _are_ > > 99% of what you think of as 'XFCE4'. > > Not quite. And

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > That wouldn't be true of me. Back when I was an Xfce user, I defined > Xfce as: > > * Able to use multiple panels > * Able to config the panels via right click > * Kinda twitchy during config on Linux, but rock solid on OpenBSD I note without

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > Rick, look in the mirror: You caused this. Every time you use words like > "Desktop Environment", "Desktop", and "DE" you make them sound special > (and geez, I have to investigate whether I need one), when in reality > they're all GOSFUIs. Some

Re: [DNG] openssl/libssl1 in Debian has disabled TLS 1.0 & 1.1

On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 01:27:33PM +0200, Alessandro Selli wrote: > On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 at 13:24:36 +0200 > Alessandro Selli wrote: > > > On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 at 11:56:46 +0100 > > ael wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > > Devuan needs to

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

On 17.08.17 01:27, Eric wrote: > I was able to install enlightenment desktop from > > https://www.enlightenment.org > > I followed along with the directions on their download page and also from > the site: > > https://www.tecmint.com/install-enlightenment-on-devuan-linux/ > > > It works with

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

Rick Moen [2017-08-17 00:55]: > So, here's a point: If you have a Linux system with Thunar (graphical > file manager) and the xfwm4 window manager, I'm betting that those _are_ > 99% of what you think of as 'XFCE4'. Not quite. > I'm betting that you don't actually have a specific desire and

Re: [DNG] devuan ascii - how much of systemd is still in there?

Dave Turner wrote: > I have boot from a debian 6 squeeze CD, anything later refuses to boot the > iMac. (Fedora has failed since fedora 13, Tinycore linux boots, Slackware > boots) Then I do a dist-upgrade to wheezy, that takes it straight to 7.11 > which has the beginnings of systemd in it. > >

[DNG] suggestion

Hello, When I installed Devuan first time on my (recently new) hardware, I was initially left with some vague information provided by 'lspci'. That hindered me by searching/selecting the right drivers and X configuration. I discovered the 'update_pciids' utility in /usr/sbin. After running that

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 15:55:30 -0700 Rick Moen wrote: > So, here's a point: If you have a Linux system with Thunar (graphical > file manager) and the xfwm4 window manager, I'm betting that those > _are_ 99% of what you think of as 'XFCE4'. That wouldn't be true of me.

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 10:34:10 -0700 Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Simon Hobson (li...@thehobsons.co.uk): > > [snip much] > > > And like it or not, for this very large group of people, the > > "desktop" needs to be familiar enough (ie look and work like > > Windows) for them to