[DNG] upgrade from Debian stretch to Devuan ascii?

2017-09-18 Thread Edward Bartolo
With a compromised CPU that has questionable smaller cores running a HIDDEN OS, I cannot see what advantages anyone gets by installing grsecurity. This is worse than having a compromised machine that is always connected to your computer. With such hardware around, GNU/Linux has just become yet ano

Re: [DNG] jessie keyring

2017-09-18 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 03:36:32AM +, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult wrote: > is there a package (in dng jessie) w/ the current repo pubkey ? Yes. Install devuan-keyring, and run apt-get update again. Greg -- web site: http://www.gregn.net gpg public key: http://www.gregn.net/pubkey.asc

[DNG] jessie keyring

2017-09-18 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
Hi folks, is there a package (in dng jessie) w/ the current repo pubkey ? W: GPG error: http://auto.mirror.devuan.org jessie InRelease: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 94532124541922FB --mtx __

Re: [DNG] upgrade from Debian stretch to Devuan ascii?

2017-09-18 Thread Miroslav Rovis
On 170917-21:39+0100, Antony Stone wrote: > On Sunday 17 September 2017 at 21:30:16, Adam Borowski wrote: > > > With KVM, there's no need for X to run as root. > > I don't see the connection between these two - are you talking about the > virtualisation framework and the graphical windowing envi

Re: [DNG] What if...

2017-09-18 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 21:26:24 +0100, Rowland wrote in message <20170918212624.530e2...@devstation.samdom.example.com>: > On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 22:09:08 +0200 > Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 17:03:47 +0100, Antony wrote in message > > <201709181703.47988.antony.st...@devuan.open.so

Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

2017-09-18 Thread Joel Roth
Hi, On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 03:35:12PM -0500, dev wrote: > Anyone know if there is an Apulse package for Devuan? I thought I had it > working a couple months back but now, on a different machine, I > cannot find the Apulse package. I don't remember how I got it working. > > Checking google of c

[DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

2017-09-18 Thread dev
Anyone know if there is an Apulse package for Devuan? I thought I had it working a couple months back but now, on a different machine, I cannot find the Apulse package. I don't remember how I got it working. Checking google of course brings up the git repo for apulse but there looks like some iss

Re: [DNG] What if...

2017-09-18 Thread Rowland Penny
On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 22:09:08 +0200 Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 17:03:47 +0100, Antony wrote in message > <201709181703.47988.antony.st...@devuan.open.source.it>: > > > On Monday 18 September 2017 at 15:54:16, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > > > On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 14:35:24 +0100, Anton

Re: [DNG] What if...

2017-09-18 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 17:03:47 +0100, Antony wrote in message <201709181703.47988.antony.st...@devuan.open.source.it>: > On Monday 18 September 2017 at 15:54:16, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 14:35:24 +0100, Antony wrote: > > > On Monday 18 September 2017 at 14:27:04, Arnt Karlsen

Re: [DNG] Upgrade to Devuan done.

2017-09-18 Thread Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 21:07:48 +0200 info at smallinnovations dot nl wrote: > > import wx.media > > Is part of wxPython package afaik. Found it, the upgrade to Devuan had missed python-wxgtk-media3.0 Cheers, Ron. -- If you want creative workers, give them enough time to play.

Re: [DNG] Upgrade to Devuan done.

2017-09-18 Thread info at smallinnovations dot nl
On 18-09-17 19:05, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: import wx.media Is part of wxPython package afaik. Grtz. Nick ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Devuan ceres has a bug for icedove/thunderbird

2017-09-18 Thread golinux
On 2017-09-18 12:41, zap wrote: thunderbird can be used only if you do it through icedove for some reason... otherwise it crashes. and as for enigmail, it cannot find gnupg's location which can be fixed by: going to enigmail preferences and using override with then /usr/bin/gpg2 just somethi

Re: [DNG] Gnome?

2017-09-18 Thread Steve Litt
On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 09:02:37 +0200 Narcis Garcia wrote: > Is there some published procedure to install Gnome in Devuan 8/9 ? Gnome is so tightly would with systemd that it can't be run on Devuan with reasonable effort. > I need this to migrate desktop users from Debian & Ubuntu. Why in the wor

[DNG] Devuan ceres has a bug for icedove/thunderbird

2017-09-18 Thread zap
thunderbird can be used only if you do it through icedove for some reason... otherwise it crashes. and as for enigmail, it cannot find gnupg's location which can be fixed by: going to enigmail preferences and using override with then /usr/bin/gpg2 just something I felt I should mention. :)

[DNG] Upgrade to Devuan done.

2017-09-18 Thread Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
Two niggles: Is there a way to get rid of, or disable, keyring ? could not find the package that provides it. When I launch EasyABC, which worked under Wheezy this morning, I now get: ron@ron:~/Desktop $ easyabc Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/share/easyabc/easy_abc.py", line 20

Re: [DNG] What if...

2017-09-18 Thread Antony Stone
On Monday 18 September 2017 at 15:54:16, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 14:35:24 +0100, Antony wrote: > > On Monday 18 September 2017 at 14:27:04, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > ..and we still haven't proven it good enough for many of them. > And that can _only_ happen on Devuan Jessie LTS' o

Re: [DNG] What if...

2017-09-18 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 14:35:24 +0100, Antony wrote in message <201709181435.24801.antony.st...@devuan.open.source.it>: > On Monday 18 September 2017 at 14:27:04, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 12:59:20 +0100, KatolaZ wrote in message > > > > > > There is no need to be worried. Devu

Re: [DNG] What if...

2017-09-18 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 15:00:07 +0100, KatolaZ wrote in message <20170918140007.gn23...@katolaz.homeunix.net>: > On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 03:52:44PM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > > Le 18/09/2017 à 15:35, Antony Stone a écrit : > > >I'd say there are two categories of people still (deliberately) > > >ru

Re: [DNG] What if...

2017-09-18 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 18/09/2017 à 16:00, KatolaZ a écrit : Dear Didier, this issue was solved by parazyd in amprolla3, and will become effective on all devuan mirrors soon:) HND Enzo Dear Enzo, I've read this already; I know it's comming and I'm waiting impatiently for the final announcement, becaus

Re: [DNG] Another problem with systemd and I will switch to devuan

2017-09-18 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 14:41:33 +0100, KatolaZ wrote in message <20170918134133.gm23...@katolaz.homeunix.net>: > On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 03:37:31PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > [cut] > > > > > > > Now I understand :) We have been working for a while at the mirror > > > infrastructure, and shoul

Re: [DNG] What if...

2017-09-18 Thread KatolaZ
On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 03:52:44PM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 18/09/2017 à 15:35, Antony Stone a écrit : > >I'd say there are two categories of people still (deliberately) running > >Wheezy: > > > >1. Those who would upgrade to Jessie except for systemd. > > > >2. Those who don't want to upgrad

Re: [DNG] What if...

2017-09-18 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 18/09/2017 à 15:35, Antony Stone a écrit : I'd say there are two categories of people still (deliberately) running Wheezy: 1. Those who would upgrade to Jessie except for systemd. 2. Those who don't want to upgrade something that's still working. I'm keeping Debian Wheezy on one machin

Re: [DNG] Another problem with systemd and I will switch to devuan

2017-09-18 Thread KatolaZ
On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 03:37:31PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: [cut] > > > > Now I understand :) We have been working for a while at the mirror > > infrastructure, and should be able to start external testing very > > soon. There is no need at all to convert an existing Debian repo to be > > used

Re: [DNG] Another problem with systemd and I will switch to devuan

2017-09-18 Thread Antony Stone
On Monday 18 September 2017 at 14:37:31, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 13:56:53 +0100, KatolaZ wrote in message > > > There is no need at all to convert an existing Debian repo to be > > used as a back-end of a Devuan repo. Only a few simple http rewrites. > > ..aye, that's my curren

Re: [DNG] Another problem with systemd and I will switch to devuan

2017-09-18 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 13:56:53 +0100, KatolaZ wrote in message <20170918125653.gk23...@katolaz.homeunix.net>: > On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 02:52:40PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > [cut] > > > > > ..now these conversion recipes will need to be tested, and such > > testing will be quicker for me th

Re: [DNG] What if...

2017-09-18 Thread Antony Stone
On Monday 18 September 2017 at 14:27:04, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 12:59:20 +0100, KatolaZ wrote in message > > > > There is no need to be worried. Devuan Jessie is running on thousands > > of servers out there, as is Devuan ASCII doing. > > ..for _some_ people, this worry is not

Re: [DNG] What if...

2017-09-18 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 12:59:20 +0100, KatolaZ wrote in message <20170918115920.gj23...@katolaz.homeunix.net>: > On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 07:46:34AM -0400, Renaud OLGIATI wrote: > > ...I upgrade my Debian Wheezy LTS to Devuan Jessie ? > > > > ...you get a Devuan Jessie? :D > > > What happens then

Re: [DNG] What if...

2017-09-18 Thread Ron
Finally taking the plunge, and upgrading following Dev1fanboy's howto on https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/wikis/Upgrade-to-Devuan Cheers, Ron. -- My karma just ran over your dogma. -- http://

Re: [DNG] Another problem with systemd and I will switch to devuan

2017-09-18 Thread KatolaZ
On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 02:52:40PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: [cut] > > ..now these conversion recipes will need to be tested, and such > testing will be quicker for me than wiping my Debian mirror and > set up a new fresh Devuan mirror, again because of my sucking > bandwidth. > Now I under

Re: [DNG] Another problem with systemd and I will switch to devuan

2017-09-18 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 12:43:09 +0100, KatolaZ wrote in message <20170918114309.gi23...@katolaz.homeunix.net>: > On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 01:40:23PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > [cut] > > > > > ..excellent, we're getting there. :o) Now, can we get the > > mirror upgrade-to-Devuan as good? > >

Re: [DNG] What if...

2017-09-18 Thread KatolaZ
On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 07:46:34AM -0400, Renaud OLGIATI wrote: > ...I upgrade my Debian Wheezy LTS to Devuan Jessie ? > ...you get a Devuan Jessie? :D > What happens then to those packages I need/use which are not in the Devuan > repositories ? Everything that is is Debian Jessie in in Devuan

Re: [DNG] What if...

2017-09-18 Thread Antony Stone
On Monday 18 September 2017 at 12:46:34, Renaud OLGIATI wrote: > ...I upgrade my Debian Wheezy LTS to Devuan Jessie ? It works for me... > What happens then to those packages I need/use which are not in the Devuan > repositories ? They will not get upgraded. > Will the older versions still ru

[DNG] What if...

2017-09-18 Thread Ron
...I upgrade my Debian Wheezy LTS to Devuan Jessie ? What happens then to those packages I need/use which are not in the Devuan repositories ? Will the older versions still run ? Or will the upgrade remove them ? Or, if they have no systemd dependencies, can I install the Debian Jessie version

Re: [DNG] Another problem with systemd and I will switch to devuan

2017-09-18 Thread KatolaZ
On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 01:40:23PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: [cut] > > ..excellent, we're getting there. :o) Now, can we get the > mirror upgrade-to-Devuan as good? > I have a partial Debian mirror we can use as a guinea pig. > uh? What are you talking about, exactly? I am not sure I am fol

Re: [DNG] Another problem with systemd and I will switch to devuan

2017-09-18 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 10:21:18 +0100, KatolaZ wrote in message <20170918092118.gh23...@katolaz.homeunix.net>: > On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 10:29:35AM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > [cut] > > > > > > > I haven't replied for a while. but yeah your probably right. > > > Devuan is better as is. I would

Re: [DNG] Gnome?

2017-09-18 Thread Svante Signell
On Mon, 2017-09-18 at 09:02 +0200, Narcis Garcia wrote: > Is there some published procedure to install Gnome in Devuan 8/9 ? > > I need this to migrate desktop users from Debian & Ubuntu. On IRC September 6 somebody (shwsh) reported gnome running on Devuan. He packaged elogind gnome-settings-deam

Re: [DNG] Gnome?

2017-09-18 Thread Ron
On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 09:02:37 +0200 Narcis Garcia wrote: > Is there some published procedure to install Gnome in Devuan 8/9 ? > > I need this to migrate desktop users from Debian & Ubuntu. For a recent version of Gnome: 1- Install systemd .. Cheers, Ron. -- Whenever one person

Re: [DNG] Another problem with systemd and I will switch to devuan

2017-09-18 Thread KatolaZ
On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 10:29:35AM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: [cut] > > > > I haven't replied for a while. but yeah your probably right.  Devuan > > is better as is. I would definitely though that being said, hope to > > make a not pure rolling release, but one with a stability in the > > middle

Re: [DNG] unmet package dependencies

2017-09-18 Thread Lars Noodén
On 09/17/2017 02:45 PM, Lars Noodén wrote: > When I try to install the package scdaemon, it wants a different version > of gnupg-agent than what is available in the repository. > So how should I handle the following error? > > The following packages have unmet dependencies: >scdaemon : Depend

Re: [DNG] Another problem with systemd and I will switch to devuan

2017-09-18 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 21:08:36 -0400, zap wrote in message : > On 09/17/2017 04:05 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > > > On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 05:27:19 +0100 > > KatolaZ wrote: > > > >> > >> In many typical Devuan use cases (mission-critical services, > >> for instance), you absolutely don't want the latest

Re: [DNG] Gnome?

2017-09-18 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 09:02:37 +0200, Narcis wrote in message : > Is there some published procedure to install Gnome in Devuan 8/9 ? > > I need this to migrate desktop users from Debian & Ubuntu. ..the only versions I can recommend, are the gnome-1.x-ish versions that came with S.u.S.E.-5.2. It

[DNG] Gnome?

2017-09-18 Thread Narcis Garcia
Is there some published procedure to install Gnome in Devuan 8/9 ? I need this to migrate desktop users from Debian & Ubuntu. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng