Quoting goli...@dyne.org (goli...@dyne.org):
> Because botbot logs the #devuan irc channel where a LOT of questions
> are answered and or solved. IMO every Devuan user should have it
> bookmarked. It is mentioned frequently on all Devuan communication
> channels - those references are pretty har
On 2017-09-20 22:36, John Franklin wrote:
On Sep 20, 2017, at 10:59 PM, goli...@dyne.org wrote:
From a search for 'network-manager' in the botbot logs.
https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/search/?q=network-manager
Was that so hard?
Yes, it is. And condescending.
Why would someone look at the I
> On Sep 20, 2017, at 10:59 PM, goli...@dyne.org wrote:
>
> From a search for 'network-manager' in the botbot logs.
> https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/search/?q=network-manager
> Was that so hard?
Yes, it is. And condescending.
Why would someone look at the IRC logs of a site that they've nev
On 2017-09-20 21:47, John Franklin wrote:
On Sep 20, 2017, at 4:25 PM, goli...@dyne.org wrote:
On 2017-09-20 15:09, zap wrote:
The phase “depends on systemd” is being used in two extreme contexts
here. The first is a technical context, where “apt-get install
” fails because of a dependency, a
On 2017-09-20 20:51, zap wrote:
I would actually like network manager to have its garbage systemd
dependencies removed.
___
It's already been done
golinux
In which version of devuan? all of them or just jessie? just curious.
From a search for
> On Sep 20, 2017, at 4:25 PM, goli...@dyne.org wrote:
>
> On 2017-09-20 15:09, zap wrote:
>>> The phase “depends on systemd” is being used in two extreme contexts here.
>>> The first is a technical context, where “apt-get install ” fails
>>> because of a dependency, and may be trivially fixed
I may sound like a broken record, but it is the next best thing, to
Icecat with one exception where it excels: the updates come much more
often.
it is also superior to firefox for the following reasons:
* Disabled Encrypted Media Extensions (EME) (*which sometimes is
enabled by default as o
I would actually like network manager to have its garbage systemd
>> dependencies removed.
>> ___
>>
>
> It's already been done
>
> golinux
>
In which version of devuan? all of them or just jessie? just curious.
>
> __
Le 21/09/2017 00:53, Arnt Karlsen a écrit :
> On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 23:55:47 +0200, mdn wrote in message
> <59c2e3e3.6010...@openmailbox.org>:
>
>> Le 20/09/2017 22:26, airmoose a écrit :
>>> Since there is currently some discussion about Chrome/Chromium
>>> security concerns, is Vivaldi (based o
On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 11:30:21PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 15:42:18 -0500, dev wrote in message
> :
>
> >
> >
> > On 09/20/2017 01:47 PM, Rick Moen wrote:
> >
> >
> > > At _least_ try Chromium before adopting a proprietary browser
> > > (Chrome). I don't know why so m
On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 23:55:47 +0200, mdn wrote in message
<59c2e3e3.6010...@openmailbox.org>:
> Le 20/09/2017 22:26, airmoose a écrit :
> > Since there is currently some discussion about Chrome/Chromium
> > security concerns, is Vivaldi (based on Chromium code I understand)
> > also affected with
Quoting airmoose (airmo...@velo-circus.com):
> Since there is currently some discussion about Chrome/Chromium
> security concerns, is Vivaldi (based on Chromium code I understand)
> also affected with the same security issues?
It's proprietary. Thus, it's the sponsoring company's black box where
Le 20/09/2017 22:26, airmoose a écrit :
> Since there is currently some discussion about Chrome/Chromium security
> concerns, is Vivaldi (based on Chromium code I understand) also affected
> with the same security issues?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vivaldi_(web_browser)
https://vivaldi.com/priva
On Wednesday 20 September 2017 at 23:41:15, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> * On 2017 20 Sep 06:36 -0500, J. Fahrner wrote:
> > Am 2017-09-20 13:08, schrieb Nate Bargmann:
> > >I am still puzzled how a desktop GUI can depend on init system.
> > >Services, yes, an init, not so much.
> >
> > Because systemd
* On 2017 20 Sep 06:36 -0500, J. Fahrner wrote:
> Am 2017-09-20 13:08, schrieb Nate Bargmann:
>
> >I am still puzzled how a desktop GUI can depend on init system.
> >Services, yes, an init, not so much.
>
> Because systemd is not only an init system, it provides a lot of services
> too.
I'll adm
On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 15:42:18 -0500, dev wrote in message
:
>
>
> On 09/20/2017 01:47 PM, Rick Moen wrote:
>
>
> > At _least_ try Chromium before adopting a proprietary browser
> > (Chrome). I don't know why so many Linux users think _only_ of the
> > proprietary Google Chrome Web browser and
Quoting dev (devua...@gmail.com):
> Because the last time I tried Chromium its functionality was about on
> par with Konquerer's and I wrote it off. Perhaps it's matured nicely?
Criteria and opinions differ, of course, but I'd say it's at least worth
your time to recheck.
On 09/20/2017 01:47 PM, Rick Moen wrote:
> At _least_ try Chromium before adopting a proprietary browser (Chrome).
> I don't know why so many Linux users think _only_ of the proprietary
> Google Chrome Web browser and not the open source Chromium browser of
> which Google Chrome is an odd and u
Since there is currently some discussion about Chrome/Chromium security
concerns, is Vivaldi (based on Chromium code I understand) also affected
with the same security issues?
If no one knows, what procedure do I go through to determine the answer
myself (with the understanding that I am basic
On 2017-09-20 15:09, zap wrote:
The phase “depends on systemd” is being used in two extreme contexts
here. The first is a technical context, where “apt-get install
” fails because of a dependency, and may be trivially fixed
with different build options. The second is “fundamentally and
irrep
Quoting zap (calmst...@posteo.de):
> I would agree adblock is much more memory intensive and ethically unsound.
ABP's 'Acceptable Ads' whitelisting is pretty questionable. OTOH, it's
openly documented (e.g., https://adblockplus.org/acceptable-ads) and
easy to revert. Just uncheck the 'Allow no
Quoting Adam Borowski (kilob...@angband.pl):
> Most people seem to be using these two names interchangeably, even though,
> as you rightfully point, they do differ. I did not go into a tangent of
> correcting this as it was not relevant to bashing PulseAudio.
'Ah, the rare valid point', as Josh
> The phase “depends on systemd” is being used in two extreme contexts here.
> The first is a technical context, where “apt-get install ” fails
> because of a dependency, and may be trivially fixed with different build
> options. The second is “fundamentally and irreparably depends on systemd
> Huh? I think uBlock Origin is superior to Adblock in every aspect.
>
> Thanks,
I would agree adblock is much more memory intensive and ethically unsound.
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Adam Borowski - 20.09.17, 21:21:
> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 11:47:05AM -0700, Rick Moen wrote:
> > Quoting Adam Borowski (kilob...@angband.pl):
[…]
> But, chromium as in Debian/Devuan is not good either:
> https://bugs.debian.org/792580 claims it phones home even in "incognito"
> mode -- and not jus
> All web browsers suck, and take turns at being the champions of
> suckatude. For the last three months, Chromium has sucked the least for
> me. I felt guilty because it was a Google product, but Rick has a
> point: ChromIUM is a free software product.
>
> If you use Google maps (I unfortunately
On 2017-09-20 14:22, John Franklin wrote:
On Sep 20, 2017, at 2:07 PM, Steve Litt
wrote:
On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 11:31:38 -0400
John Franklin wrote:
That said, there are plenty who either like it or at least have
gotten used to it. If we could get Gnome working here, it would
attract more user
> On Sep 20, 2017, at 2:07 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
>
> On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 11:31:38 -0400
> John Franklin wrote:
>
>
>> That said, there are plenty who either like it or at least have
>> gotten used to it. If we could get Gnome working here, it would
>> attract more users to Devuan.
>
> Serio
On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 11:47:05AM -0700, Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Adam Borowski (kilob...@angband.pl):
>
> > > I guess I am switching to Chrome. Another sad day for FOSS.
> >
> > You don't want that pile of spyware, it lacks any basic privacy extensions
> > Firefox has.
>
> At _least_ try Chr
On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 11:47:05 -0700
Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Adam Borowski (kilob...@angband.pl):
>
> > > I guess I am switching to Chrome. Another sad day for FOSS.
> >
> > You don't want that pile of spyware, it lacks any basic privacy
> > extensions Firefox has.
>
> At _least_ try Chro
Quoting Adam Borowski (kilob...@angband.pl):
> > I guess I am switching to Chrome. Another sad day for FOSS.
>
> You don't want that pile of spyware, it lacks any basic privacy extensions
> Firefox has.
At _least_ try Chromium before adopting a proprietary browser (Chrome).
I don't know why so m
On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 09:59:10AM -0500, dev wrote:
> IIRC Jack, ALSA and Pulseaudio are three completely different software
> stacks. Firefox, as compiled from mozilla, will only work with
> Pulseaudio. Their official reasoning[1] was:
>
> "Make Pulse Audio a hard dependency on Linux so that w
On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 11:31:38 -0400
John Franklin wrote:
> That said, there are plenty who either like it or at least have
> gotten used to it. If we could get Gnome working here, it would
> attract more users to Devuan.
Serious question: Do we want that kind of user? Somebody who knows
enough
> On Sep 20, 2017, at 11:35 AM, Alessandro Selli
> wrote:
>
> On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 at 11:19:51 -0400
> John Franklin wrote:
>
>
>> Your premise that “Gnome depends on systemd” is false. The current
>> *packages* may depend on systemd, but I’ll bet they can be patched and
>> rebuilt without s
> On Sep 20, 2017, at 11:33 AM, J. Fahrner wrote:
>
> Am 2017-09-20 17:19, schrieb John Franklin:
>
>> Your premise that “Gnome depends on systemd” is false. The current
>> *packages* may depend on systemd, but I’ll bet they can be patched and
>> rebuilt without systemd.
>> Give it a try. Plea
On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 at 11:19:51 -0400
John Franklin wrote:
> Your premise that “Gnome depends on systemd” is false. The current
> *packages* may depend on systemd, but I’ll bet they can be patched and
> rebuilt without systemd.
>
> Give it a try. Please build the gnome packages from scratch and
Am 2017-09-20 17:19, schrieb John Franklin:
Your premise that “Gnome depends on systemd” is false. The current
*packages* may depend on systemd, but I’ll bet they can be patched and
rebuilt without systemd.
Give it a try. Please build the gnome packages from scratch and report
back with where
> On Sep 20, 2017, at 2:06 AM, Didier Kryn wrote:
>
> Le 19/09/2017 à 15:00, Narcis Garcia a écrit :
>> 1. Gnome is the desktop environment that better fits my criteria for
>> unexperienced and normal people.
>
>Are you kidding? I consider myself an experienced user and cannot make
> sense
> On Sep 20, 2017, at 4:16 AM, Erik Christiansen
> wrote:
>
> On 20.09.17 09:55, Svante Signell wrote:
>> On Wed, 2017-09-20 at 17:41 +1000, Erik Christiansen wrote:
>>> On 19.09.17 15:56, J. Fahrner wrote:
I'm wondering why people cry when they don't get Gnome and why they try to
>>
On 09/20/2017 04:47 AM, Rob van der Putten wrote:
>>
>> Anyone have it working on Devuan and Firefox 55.0.3 64bit ?
>
> How about FF and Jackd?
> I don't use Jack myself, but a lot people do.
IIRC Jack, ALSA and Pulseaudio are three completely different software
stacks. Firefox, as compiled fr
> On 20 Sep 2017, at 21:08, Nate Bargmann wrote:
>
> * On 2017 20 Sep 04:01 -0500, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
>
>> ..these https://forum.yunit.io/search.php?keywords=systemd
>> and https://yunit.io/?s=systemd would if anything, suggest
>> "systemd is not a worry here.", which might mean they might
On 09/18/2017 03:02 AM, Narcis Garcia wrote:
> Is there some published procedure to install Gnome in Devuan 8/9 ?
>
> I need this to migrate desktop users from Debian & Ubuntu.
>
While as others have said Gnome is an intertwined mess with systemd,
there has been a continuing effort by dantrell to k
Le 20/09/2017 à 13:08, Nate Bargmann a écrit :
I am still puzzled how a desktop GUI can depend on init system.
Services, yes, an init, not so much.
Excellent argument to oppose to those peole still claiming Systemd
is an init system.
Didier
_
On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 07:38:28AM -0400, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 13:35:42 +0200
> Adam Borowski wrote:
>
> > And yeah, an analogy that makes systemd a disease is fitting...
>
> I know, been refering to it for ages as a pox...
It's funnier in Polish where colloquial wo
On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 06:08:46 -0500, Nate wrote in message
<20170920110846.ge3...@n0nb.us>:
> * On 2017 20 Sep 04:01 -0500, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
>
> > ..these https://forum.yunit.io/search.php?keywords=systemd
> > and https://yunit.io/?s=systemd would if anything, suggest
> > "systemd is not a w
On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 13:35:42 +0200
Adam Borowski wrote:
> And yeah, an analogy that makes systemd a disease is fitting...
I know, been refering to it for ages as a pox...
Cheers,
Ron.
--
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Control of the flow of information
Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI - 20.09.17, 07:01:
> On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 11:15:11 +0100
>
> KatolaZ wrote:
> > > > Have you tried to install any of them?
> > >
> > > No, I did not; I do not either try to poke rattlesnakes with a stick
> >
> > You shouldn't be scared of a toothless rattlesnake
>
> Ho
On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 07:00:06AM -0400, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 12:50:55 +0200
> Narcis Garcia wrote:
>
> > I prefer the best (for me) of all worlds: No Systemd, but Yes Gnome.
>
> Which is like wanting unprotected sex, but without sexually transmitted
> diseases...
Am 2017-09-20 13:08, schrieb Nate Bargmann:
I am still puzzled how a desktop GUI can depend on init system.
Services, yes, an init, not so much.
Because systemd is not only an init system, it provides a lot of
services too.
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On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 07:01:20AM -0400, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 11:15:11 +0100
> KatolaZ wrote:
>
> > > > Have you tried to install any of them?
>
> > > No, I did not; I do not either try to poke rattlesnakes with a stick
>
> > You shouldn't be scared of a too
* On 2017 20 Sep 04:01 -0500, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> ..these https://forum.yunit.io/search.php?keywords=systemd
> and https://yunit.io/?s=systemd would if anything, suggest
> "systemd is not a worry here.", which might mean they might
> be or become agnostic on init systems.
I read the forum pos
On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 11:15:11 +0100
KatolaZ wrote:
> > > Have you tried to install any of them?
> > No, I did not; I do not either try to poke rattlesnakes with a stick
> You shouldn't be scared of a toothless rattlesnake
How do you know a priori that the snake is toothless ?
Cheers,
On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 12:50:55 +0200
Narcis Garcia wrote:
> I prefer the best (for me) of all worlds: No Systemd, but Yes Gnome.
Which is like wanting unprotected sex, but without sexually transmitted
diseases...
Cheers,
Ron.
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On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 12:50:55PM +0200, Narcis Garcia wrote:
> El 20/09/17 a les 12:43, J. Fahrner ha escrit:
> > Am 2017-09-20 11:59, schrieb Narcis Garcia:
> >
> >> I like to rely on distribution's packages and be able to open a bug when
> >> necessary about it. If Devuan's people say Gnome is
El 20/09/17 a les 12:43, J. Fahrner ha escrit:
> Am 2017-09-20 11:59, schrieb Narcis Garcia:
>
>> I like to rely on distribution's packages and be able to open a bug when
>> necessary about it. If Devuan's people say Gnome is not supported at
>> all, this means I need some other way to work on thi
Am 2017-09-20 11:59, schrieb Narcis Garcia:
I like to rely on distribution's packages and be able to open a bug
when
necessary about it. If Devuan's people say Gnome is not supported at
all, this means I need some other way to work on this.
IMHO this would be the best option for you. Why do y
Could Devuan project itself open a bug in bugzilla.gnome.org about
issues without Systemd?
El 18/09/17 a les 09:02, Narcis Garcia ha escrit:
> Is there some published procedure to install Gnome in Devuan 8/9 ?
>
> I need this to migrate desktop users from Debian & Ubuntu.
> _
On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 06:03:21AM -0400, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 10:29:08 +0100
> KatolaZ wrote:
>
> > Have you tried to install any of them?
>
> No, I did not; I do not either try to poke rattlesnakes with a stick
>
You shouldn't be scared of a toothless rattl
On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 10:29:08 +0100
KatolaZ wrote:
> Have you tried to install any of them?
No, I did not; I do not either try to poke rattlesnakes with a stick
Cheers,
Ron.
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They want us to be afraid, to hate, so
El 20/09/17 a les 11:48, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI ha escrit:
> On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 09:02:37 +0200
> Narcis Garcia wrote:
>
>> Is there some published procedure to install Gnome in Devuan 8/9 ?
>> I need this to migrate desktop users from Debian & Ubuntu.
>
> There are in the Devuan repo 557 packages
> ..these https://forum.yunit.io/search.php?keywords=systemd
> and https://yunit.io/?s=systemd would if anything, suggest
> "systemd is not a worry here.", which might mean they might
> be or become agnostic on init systems.
That doesn’t surprise me, considering Ubuntu was using Unity for a lon
On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 10:29:08 +0100, KatolaZ wrote in message
<20170920092908.gr23...@katolaz.homeunix.net>:
> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 05:20:05AM -0400, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:
> > After upgrading to Devuan Jessie, curiosity made me chack in
> > Synaptic that my system did not have any infecti
On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 09:02:37 +0200
Narcis Garcia wrote:
> Is there some published procedure to install Gnome in Devuan 8/9 ?
> I need this to migrate desktop users from Debian & Ubuntu.
There are in the Devuan repo 557 packages related to Gnome, 303 of which have
Gnome in their name.
So go ahe
Hi there
On 18/09/17 22:35, dev wrote:
Anyone know if there is an Apulse package for Devuan? I thought I had it
working a couple months back but now, on a different machine, I
cannot find the Apulse package. I don't remember how I got it working.
Checking google of course brings up the git r
On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 05:20:05AM -0400, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:
> After upgrading to Devuan Jessie, curiosity made me chack in Synaptic that my
> system did not have any infection of the systemd pox.apt search systemd
>
> I was surprised to see all those systemd packages appear in the list
After upgrading to Devuan Jessie, curiosity made me chack in Synaptic that my
system did not have any infection of the systemd pox.apt search systemd
I was surprised to see all those systemd packages appear in the list of
instalable packages.
Why are there so many ?
My source list:
deb http://
On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 17:44:35 +1000, Tom wrote in message
<97dde69e-3904-4abe-9acf-7fa2f104b...@gmail.com>:
> Has anyone tried out Yunit on Devuan? It’s a community fork of the
> Unity 8 code that was abandoned after Ubuntu switched to Gnome for
> their next release.
>
> https://yunit.io/
>
> ht
On 20.09.17 09:55, Svante Signell wrote:
> On Wed, 2017-09-20 at 17:41 +1000, Erik Christiansen wrote:
> > On 19.09.17 15:56, J. Fahrner wrote:
> > > I'm wondering why people cry when they don't get Gnome and why they try to
>
> > > And that's not possible for Gnome, because Gnome depends on syste
On Wed, 2017-09-20 at 17:41 +1000, Erik Christiansen wrote:
> On 19.09.17 15:56, J. Fahrner wrote:
> > I'm wondering why people cry when they don't get Gnome and why they try to
> > And that's not possible for Gnome, because Gnome depends on systemd.
> > If you want Gnome you have to live with sys
Has anyone tried out Yunit on Devuan? It’s a community fork of the Unity 8 code
that was abandoned after Ubuntu switched to Gnome for their next release.
https://yunit.io/
https://yunit.io/yunit-packages-for-debian-stable-testing-and-unstable/
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On 19.09.17 15:56, J. Fahrner wrote:
> I'm wondering why people cry when they don't get Gnome and why they try to
> enforce Devuan developers to offer Gnome. Devuans goal is to offer a Linux
> system without systemd.
Errr, Devuan's reason for _existing_ is to eschew systemd. Absolutely
nothing can
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