Re: [DNG] rc.local removed from Debian 9, rly?

Le 22/11/2017 à 07:19, John Hughes a écrit : Is there any way to read a file in format X without a program that reads format X?     The question is why use yet another "proprietary format"? Just to force people to be use systemd for every task they need to do with their computer.     The

Re: [DNG] rc.local removed from Debian 9, rly?

On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 02:59:11 +0100 Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 18:21:14 +0100, John wrote in message > : > > > (Damn but the systemd journal is great :-)) A T SteveT Steve Litt November 2017 featured

Re: [DNG] rc.local removed from Debian 9, rly?

On 21/11/17 19:46, Jaromil wrote: On Tue, 21 Nov 2017, John Hughes wrote: Come to think about it, if the problem was that their rc.local was failing somewhere then they should be able to see that in the output of systemctl or journalctl. Assuming they're using systemd, of

Re: [DNG] rc.local removed from Debian 9, rly?

On 22/11/17 02:59, Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 18:21:14 +0100, John wrote in message : (Damn but the systemd journal is great :-)) ..is there a way to decode and read those binary systemd journal logs on classic POSIX/Unix etc

Re: [DNG] rc.local removed from Debian 9, rly?

On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 02:59:11AM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 18:21:14 +0100, John wrote in message > : > > > (Damn but the systemd journal is great :-)) > > ..is there a way to decode and read those binary systemd

Re: [DNG] rc.local removed from Debian 9, rly?

On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 18:21:14 +0100, John wrote in message : > (Damn but the systemd journal is great :-)) ..is there a way to decode and read those binary systemd journal logs on classic POSIX/Unix etc forensic systems _not_ running systemd?

Re: [DNG] ifconfig deprecated?

On 11/20/2017 10:55 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 05:53:49PM +0100, Jaromil wrote: >> >> nono, as I wrote: that script doesn't works anymore, if ran on a >> freshly debootstrapped version of Debian 9. It seemed that rc.local >> wasn't executed anymore. But there is some

Re: [DNG] ifconfig deprecated?

Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > A program called ip. It has commands such as ip route, ip addr, ip > link, and several others. It's confusing and underdocumented, but so is > ifconfig (which I never even began to master). I have a knowledgebase item 'iproute2 transition' on

Re: [DNG] rc.local removed from Debian 9, rly?

On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 03:47:26PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 14:53:28 + > KatolaZ wrote: > > > As Olaf explained, the problem seems to originate in the fact that the > > initscripts package is not any more marked as important. Hence, if you > >

Re: [DNG] ifconfig deprecated?

On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 05:34:15PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > On Mon, 20 Nov 2017 22:55:36 -0500 > Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 05:53:49PM +0100, Jaromil wrote: > > > > > > nono, as I wrote: that script doesn't works anymore, if ran on a > > > freshly

Re: [DNG] ifconfig deprecated?

I find it quite confusing to have a collection of "commands" with space in the name, as if it would be a single command with lots of sub commands in it. But then, "the colour of the button isn't that important" -- it all hangs on the documentation. Apparently there an "IP Command reference

Re: [DNG] ifconfig deprecated?

On Tue, 2017-11-21 at 23:50 +0100, Adam Borowski wrote: > > No one is removing ifconfig yet, it's merely not installed by default > anymore -- so if you insist, just "apt install net-tools". > > ifconfig is inadequate for a number of widespread setups, though, and will > provide bad output

Re: [DNG] ifconfig deprecated?

On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 10:32:34PM +, jacksprat wrote: > the official line is that the "ip" command replaces "ifconfig". I only use > the Busybox version of ifconfig. You could use the Busybox version in the > interim. The ip command is cool, though. No one is removing ifconfig yet, it's

Re: [DNG] Error when updating from jessie to ascii 32bit

- Original Message - From: aitor_czr To: dng@lists.dyne.org ; Ismael L. Donis Garcia Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 1:40 PM Subject: Re: [DNG] Error when updating from jessie to ascii 32bit Hi Ismael, On 11/21/2017 06:18 PM, Ismael L. Donis Garcia wrote: gpgv:

Re: [DNG] ifconfig deprecated?

On Mon, 20 Nov 2017 22:55:36 -0500 Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 05:53:49PM +0100, Jaromil wrote: > > > > nono, as I wrote: that script doesn't works anymore, if ran on a > > freshly debootstrapped version of Debian 9. It seemed that rc.local > > wasn't

[DNG] ifconfig deprecated?

the official line is that the "ip" command replaces "ifconfig". I only use the Busybox version of ifconfig. You could use the Busybox version in the interim. The ip command is cool, though. jacksprat ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [DNG] ifconfig deprecated?

On Mon, 20 Nov 2017 22:55:36 -0500 Hendrik Boom wrote: > > nono, as I wrote: that script doesn't works anymore, if ran on a > > freshly debootstrapped version of Debian 9. It seemed that rc.local > > wasn't executed anymore. But there is some confusion, since both > >

[DNG] ifconfig deprecated?

On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 05:53:49PM +0100, Jaromil wrote: > > nono, as I wrote: that script doesn't works anymore, if ran on a > freshly debootstrapped version of Debian 9. It seemed that rc.local > wasn't executed anymore. But there is some confusion, since both brctl > and ifconfig are

Re: [DNG] rc.local removed from Debian 9, rly?

On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 14:53:28 + KatolaZ wrote: > As Olaf explained, the problem seems to originate in the fact that the > initscripts package is not any more marked as important. Hence, if you > don't have it, you won't get it by default. I personally agree on the > fact

Re: [DNG] hotplug of SD cards fails on Jessie

Le 20/11/2017 à 19:13, aitor_czr a écrit : Hi Didier, On 11/21/2017 04:37 PM, Didier Kryn wrote: Le 20/11/2017 à 14:37, aitor_czr a écrit : Hi again Didier, On 11/20/2017 02:23 PM, aitor_czr wrote: Hi Didier, On 11/21/2017 12:59 PM, Didier Kryn wrote:     Hello.     On

Re: [DNG] rc.local removed from Debian 9, rly?

On Tue, 21 Nov 2017, John Hughes wrote: >Come to think about it, if the problem was that their rc.local >was failing somewhere then they should be able to see that in the >output of systemctl or journalctl. > >Assuming they're using systemd, of course.  :-) Not really. Its not

Re: [DNG] Error when updating from jessie to ascii 32bit

Hi Ismael, On 11/21/2017 06:18 PM, Ismael L. Donis Garcia wrote: gpgv: Firmado el mar 21 nov 2017 02:04:03 CST gpgv:    usando RSA clave 94532124541922FB gpgv: Imposible comprobar la firma: No public key .temp/.tmp/dists/ascii/InRelease signature does not

Re: [DNG] hotplug of SD cards fails on Jessie

Hi Didier, On 11/21/2017 04:37 PM, Didier Kryn wrote: Le 20/11/2017 à 14:37, aitor_czr a écrit : Hi again Didier, On 11/20/2017 02:23 PM, aitor_czr wrote: Hi Didier, On 11/21/2017 12:59 PM, Didier Kryn wrote:     Hello.     On my HP EliteBook laptop, where I've just

Re: [DNG] Error when updating from jessie to ascii 32bit

When I check the file does not exist: /root/.gnupg/trustedkeys.kbx But I do not know when and how it is created Bets Regards -- Ismael Devuan User : http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=devuan - Original Message - From: "Ismael L. Donis Garcia" To:

Re: [DNG] rc.local removed from Debian 9, rly?

On 21/11/17 17:53, Jaromil wrote: On Tue, 21 Nov 2017, John Hughes wrote: I followed your link to "gitian-building-setup-gitian-debian.md" Which says that you need to create the rc.local and reboot.  I see no mention of systemctl.  Am I looking in the wrong place? nono, as I

Re: [DNG] rc.local removed from Debian 9, rly?

On Tue, 21 Nov 2017, John Hughes wrote: >I followed your link to "gitian-building-setup-gitian-debian.md" > >Which says that you need to create the rc.local and reboot.  I see no >mention of systemctl.  Am I looking in the wrong place? nono, as I wrote: that script doesn't works

Re: [DNG] rc.local removed from Debian 9, rly?

On 21/11/17 16:19, Jaromil wrote: no, the "rumors" I refer to are, as I said, coming from an upstream project whose CI has broken. You said: Here the rumors I've heard from bitcoin core development: a CI script was broken for three reasons, of which the mandatory activation of rc.local via

Re: [DNG] rc.local removed from Debian 9, rly?

On Tue, 21 Nov 2017, John Hughes wrote: > On 21/11/17 16:19, Jaromil wrote: > > On Tue, 21 Nov 2017, John Hughes wrote: > > > > > > Then I believe we also agree that rc.local is a serious regressions? > > > What regression? > > the fact that besides creating it and making it executable, one must

Re: [DNG] rc.local removed from Debian 9, rly?

On 21/11/17 16:19, Jaromil wrote: On Tue, 21 Nov 2017, John Hughes wrote: Then I believe we also agree that rc.local is a serious regressions? What regression? the fact that besides creating it and making it executable, one must also activate the service unit. No, you don't.  systemd runs

Re: [DNG] hotplug of SD cards fails on Jessie

Le 20/11/2017 à 14:37, aitor_czr a écrit : Hi again Didier, On 11/20/2017 02:23 PM, aitor_czr wrote: Hi Didier, On 11/21/2017 12:59 PM, Didier Kryn wrote:     Hello.     On my HP EliteBook laptop, where I've just upgraded from Debian-Wheezy to Devuan-Jessie, the SD cards

Re: [DNG] rc.local removed from Debian 9, rly?

On Tue, 21 Nov 2017, John Hughes wrote: > > Then I believe we also agree that rc.local is a serious regressions? > > What regression? the fact that besides creating it and making it executable, one must also activate the service unit. > > In Debian right now I don't even see a debate, > > A

Re: [DNG] rc.local removed from Debian 9, rly?

On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 04:05:47PM +0100, John Hughes wrote: > On 21/11/17 15:53, KatolaZ wrote: > > > >Also, it is not clear to me *when* the automagic systemd tool that > >should create the systemd service (if rc.local is executable) is > >run. > > man systemd.generator > ... >   

Re: [DNG] rc.local removed from Debian 9, rly?

On 21/11/17 15:53, KatolaZ wrote: Also, it is not clear to me *when* the automagic systemd tool that should create the systemd service (if rc.local is executable) is run. man systemd.generator ...    Generators are small binaries that live in    /usr/lib/systemd/user-generators/ and

Re: [DNG] rc.local removed from Debian 9, rly?

On 21/11/17 15:20, Jaromil wrote: dear John and Olaf, Thanks for proving me wrong, this is exactly what I hoped for. I'm not actually sure you've been "proved wrong" -- in the case of a Debian 9 system without the initscripts package installed (i.e. a fresh install with systemd as pid 1 for

Re: [DNG] rc.local removed from Debian 9, rly?

On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 03:07:07PM +0100, John Hughes wrote: [cut] > > If you have the initscripts package installed then /etc/rc.local will be > created for you (if it doesn't exist) and it will be run (if you are using > sysvinit or systemd at least). > > If you don't install initscripts

Re: [DNG] rc.local removed from Debian 9, rly?

dear John and Olaf, Thanks for proving me wrong, this is exactly what I hoped for. In fact my mail was perhaps badly worded and contained already a rant, but was really about asking this list for a critical analysis. For 2 main reasons: 1) there are very knowledgeable people (like you both)

Re: [DNG] rc.local removed from Debian 9, rly?

On 21/11/17 14:54, Rowland Penny wrote: On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 14:48:49 +0100 John Hughes wrote: No, no systemctl commands are needed, systemd-rc-local-generator will enable rc-local.service if /etc/rc.local is executable, which it is by default on Debian Stretch (AKA Debian

Re: [DNG] rc.local removed from Debian 9, rly?

On 21/11/17 11:58, Olaf Meeuwissen wrote: A quick check of the packages that would pull [ initscripts ] in (as per massaged `apt-cache rdepends`) on Stretch gives: $ apt-cache rdepends initscripts | sed -n '/^ /p' | while read pkg; do \ echo $pkg ; apt-cache depends $pkg | grep

Re: [DNG] rc.local removed from Debian 9, rly?

On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 14:48:49 +0100 John Hughes wrote: > > No, no systemctl commands are needed, systemd-rc-local-generator will > enable rc-local.service if /etc/rc.local is executable, which it is > by default on Debian Stretch (AKA Debian 9). > Yes, but will

Re: [DNG] rc.local removed from Debian 9, rly?

On 21/11/17 14:21, Jaromil wrote: On Tue, 21 Nov 2017, John Hughes wrote: On 20/11/17 11:30, Jaromil wrote: 1- it [ rc.local ] is not created by default It exists on my stretch systems. I always and only mean Debian 9. So I will reformulate: 1- /etc/rc.local does not exist by

Re: [DNG] rc.local removed from Debian 9, rly?

Hi Jaromil, list, Jaromil writes: > dear Olaf, > > On Mon, 20 Nov 2017, Olaf Meeuwissen wrote: > >> Crying wolf like this time and again is not doing Devuan any good. > > No, I am the wolf. I do not mean this personally. I just recalled the mail that set off the redis discussion and this one

Re: [DNG] Error when updating from jessie to ascii 32bit

The problem persists I come from: debian whezy to debian jessie debian jessie to devuan jessie devuan jessie to devuan ascii * root@(none):/mnt/datos/sistemas/linux/devuan# sh rdascii.sh =

Re: [DNG] hotplug of SD cards fails on Jessie

Hi Didier, On 11/21/2017 12:59 PM, Didier Kryn wrote:     Hello.     On my HP EliteBook laptop, where I've just upgraded from Debian-Wheezy to Devuan-Jessie, the SD cards don't show up on the Xfce desktop, while USB devices still do.     I have checked that  /dev/mmcblk0p1 is

Re: [DNG] rc.local removed from Debian 9, rly?

On Tue, 21 Nov 2017, John Hughes wrote: >On 20/11/17 11:30, Jaromil wrote: > > 1- it [ rc.local ] is not created by default > >It exists on my stretch systems. I always and only mean Debian 9. So I will reformulate: 1- /etc/rc.local does not exist by default on Debian 9. this is not

[DNG] hotplug of SD cards fails on Jessie

    Hello.     On my HP EliteBook laptop, where I've just upgraded from Debian-Wheezy to Devuan-Jessie, the SD cards don't show up on the Xfce desktop, while USB devices still do.     I have checked that  /dev/mmcblk0p1 is created - when there is only one partition.     On my HP desktop with

Re: [DNG] rc.local removed from Debian 9, rly?

On 20/11/17 11:30, Jaromil wrote: 1- it [ rc.local ] is not created by default It exists on my stretch systems.  As  Olaf Meeuwissen said it is created by initscripts.postinst: # # Create /etc/rc.local on first time install and when upgrading from # versions before "2.86.ds1-16"