Re: [DNG] Devuan on a Purism
On 01/11/18 at 00:56, Alessandro Selli wrote: > Suffices to sat to demolish whatever you wrote that we're talking of a > *smartphone*, not laptops! Sorry, re-reading the thread I figured out the thread started about laptops, and a sub-thread initiated by Hendrik Boom (Message-ID: <20181031004923.g7hyshbtgs63m...@topoi.pooq.com>) considered their smartphone too, the Librem5. So, concerning the smartphone nothing you wrote applies. And since there are no PowerPC laptops it does not apply to those Puri.sm produces, too. Everything else you wrote about Puri.sm was debated far and large and I'm not wasting further bytes on it. Get a life, will you? Alessandro -- Alessandro Selli VOIP SIP: dhatarat...@ekiga.net Chiave firma e cifratura PGP/GPG signing and encoding key: BA651E4050DDFC31E17384BABCE7BD1A1B0DF2AE signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan on a Purism
I was wondering how long before you started again with your misplaced tirades against Puri.sm. Suffices to sat to demolish whatever you wrote that we're talking of a *smartphone*, not laptops! I.e. something that has no Intel chips inside. Are there OpenPOWER-powered smartphones? Would you ever do some reading before, or better yet instead, of barking at everything that moves and is not from IBM? Alessandro On 31/10/18 at 23:59, taii...@gmx.com wrote: > Everyone here knows purism stuff is blobbed right? > > Their laptops have coreboot but that isn't open source firmware - the > hardware init process on their laptops is entirely blobbed (done via > FSP) and they are are being very dishonest for not stating this up front > and instead claiming to have "open source firmware" > > They also claim their laptops have a disabled ME which is impossible - > even with HAP on skylake the kernel and bup hw init still run. > > Trying to have freedom on modern x86 systems is being naive and beating > a dead horse at best - an incredibly dishonest scam at worst. > > I expect their mobile devices to be just as non-free and dishonest when > it comes to their touted security (usb isn't modem isolation!) > considering their track record for ignoring the community and not caring > what anyone thinks. > > Alternatives: > The g505s is an open cpu/ram init owner controlled ME/PSP free > alternative to the faux-libre laptops which with the best compatible > circa 2013 quad core A10 is nearly equivilant now that intel's cpu > performance is ruined via the spectre/meltdown fixes. > > If you want an owner controlled performance system either you buy old > x86 or you buy OpenPOWER - there is nothing else. > > x86 will never be free whereas with OpenPOWER you get an OEM[1] that > actually listens and implements suggestions provides help with small > system integrators like raptor (they asked for and received various > things from ibm needed to have an entirely libre firmware including the > hardware init process for their systems) > > [1]OP is one of the rare gems from IBM...it blows my mind the future of > computing freedom is from them...I guess they did it because better > performance alone isn't reason to switch to POWER there needed to be > more compelling reasons and now they have one. > > Here's to hoping for an OpenPOWER laptop. > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng -- Alessandro Selli VOIP SIP: dhatarat...@ekiga.net Chiave firma e cifratura PGP/GPG signing and encoding key: BA651E4050DDFC31E17384BABCE7BD1A1B0DF2AE signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] "Sloppy" backports
On Wednesday 31 October 2018 at 23:59:33, taii...@gmx.com wrote: > What do they mean by sloppy? https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/#index4h2 Antony. -- I bought a book about anti-gravity. The reviews say you can't put it down. Please reply to the list; please *don't* CC me. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] "Sloppy" backports
What do they mean by sloppy? ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan on a Purism
Everyone here knows purism stuff is blobbed right? Their laptops have coreboot but that isn't open source firmware - the hardware init process on their laptops is entirely blobbed (done via FSP) and they are are being very dishonest for not stating this up front and instead claiming to have "open source firmware" They also claim their laptops have a disabled ME which is impossible - even with HAP on skylake the kernel and bup hw init still run. Trying to have freedom on modern x86 systems is being naive and beating a dead horse at best - an incredibly dishonest scam at worst. I expect their mobile devices to be just as non-free and dishonest when it comes to their touted security (usb isn't modem isolation!) considering their track record for ignoring the community and not caring what anyone thinks. Alternatives: The g505s is an open cpu/ram init owner controlled ME/PSP free alternative to the faux-libre laptops which with the best compatible circa 2013 quad core A10 is nearly equivilant now that intel's cpu performance is ruined via the spectre/meltdown fixes. If you want an owner controlled performance system either you buy old x86 or you buy OpenPOWER - there is nothing else. x86 will never be free whereas with OpenPOWER you get an OEM[1] that actually listens and implements suggestions provides help with small system integrators like raptor (they asked for and received various things from ibm needed to have an entirely libre firmware including the hardware init process for their systems) [1]OP is one of the rare gems from IBM...it blows my mind the future of computing freedom is from them...I guess they did it because better performance alone isn't reason to switch to POWER there needed to be more compelling reasons and now they have one. Here's to hoping for an OpenPOWER laptop. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What's the latest stable version?
On Sun, 14 Oct 2018 17:17:43 +1100, Andrew wrote in message <3906de46-0579-820e-4a19-988c46abe...@affinityvision.com.au>: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > Hi, > > On 14/10/18 07:01, Antony Stone wrote: > > On Saturday 13 October 2018 at 21:49:30, Steve Litt wrote: > >> What's the latest stable version of Devuan? I'm going to set up a > >> test VM to test runit on Devuan. > > > > "Devuan’s stable release is now 2.0.0 ASCII." > > > > https://devuan.org/ > > > > I'm surprised to see *you* ask a question like this, Steve... > > Well there is a different answer to that. > > Sometimes stable is testing that has been testing long enough and is > perhaps close enough to freezing that it is considered stable. > > ;-) ..in the good old days before pulseaudio etc pötterware, I found Debian Sid/"unstable" stable enough for my needs. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] util-linux needs an upgrade on ceres
On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 14:34:47 -0400, Steve wrote in message <20181031143447.2b764...@mydesk.domain.cxm>: > On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 17:04:18 +0100 > KatolaZ wrote: > > > On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 12:16:30PM +0100, aitor_czr wrote: > > > Hi KatolaZ, > > > > > > On 10/30/2018 01:52 PM, KatolaZ wrote: > > > > Hi Irrwhan, > > > > > > > > you are right. Working on it. Update soon. Sorry for the > > > > inconvenience. > > > > > > > > HND > > > > > > > > KatolaZ > > > > > > I'm removing the 'su' files from shadow (login). An empty dummy > > > package for udevin Ceres is required too. Otherwise, debootstrap > > > will not work: libudev1.so exists in both udev and eudev. > > > > > > > Dear aitor, > > > > this should be solved now, at least for amd64, and at least for the > > base system. Please be aware that there might be some breakages on > > ceres as we are working to update it to the current state in sid in > > the next few weeks. > > > > HND > > > > KatolaZ > > > > So then this would be a good time for me to upgrade to ceres for my > runit script project, right? ..how many of you guys here on dng are on ceres? -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] util-linux needs an upgrade on ceres
On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 17:04:18 +0100 KatolaZ wrote: > On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 12:16:30PM +0100, aitor_czr wrote: > > Hi KatolaZ, > > > > On 10/30/2018 01:52 PM, KatolaZ wrote: > > > Hi Irrwhan, > > > > > > you are right. Working on it. Update soon. Sorry for the > > > inconvenience. > > > > > > HND > > > > > > KatolaZ > > > > I'm removing the 'su' files from shadow (login). An empty dummy > > package for udevin Ceres is required too. Otherwise, debootstrap > > will not work: libudev1.so exists in both udev and eudev. > > > > Dear aitor, > > this should be solved now, at least for amd64, and at least for the > base system. Please be aware that there might be some breakages on > ceres as we are working to update it to the current state in sid in > the next few weeks. > > HND > > KatolaZ > So then this would be a good time for me to upgrade to ceres for my runit script project, right? SteveT Steve Litt September 2018 featured book: Quit Joblessness: Start Your Own Business http://www.troubleshooters.com/startbiz ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan on a Purism
On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 08:27:45 -0400, Hendrik wrote in message <20181031122744.clkla3eewf2bi...@topoi.pooq.com>: > On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 11:53:03PM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 14:01:03 -0400, Hendrik wrote in message > > <20181030180103.7xwhnvyqbs6zn...@topoi.pooq.com>: > > > > > I use Devuan on a Purism laptop. Purism's OS is based on Debian, > > > and has become contaminated with systemd. > > > > ..they blindly accepted it? > > > > > So, naturally, I replaced it with Devuan. > > > > ..any response on that from puri.sm? > > > > > It works very well, except for a problem with the touchpad. > > > > > > I can move the mouse pointer around by stroking the touch pad and > > > I can do the usual left-click by pressing on the touchpad. I can > > > do two-finger scrolling as well. > > > > > > On Purism's OS though I couls get a right-click by pushing down > > > with two fingers, and a centre-click by pushing down with three > > > fingers. This does not work on Devuan. To get these clicks I > > > have resorted to a separate physical USB mouse. > > > > > > Is there any way to get this right- and centre-click emulation > > > working on Devuan? Perhaps some missing driver or > > > configuration? > > > > > > ..does this recipe work?: > > https://www.evilcodingmonkey.com/2014/01/23/ubuntu-activate-multi-touch-on-elantech/ > > > > I'm ever cautious. > > Haven't tried it yet. Am currently trying to figure out what is does. > It appears to obtain an Ubuntu driver for the touchpad, which a bit > of net search suggests is from Elantech, and then replaces the > existing driver with it. > > My question is this: How do I undo this if things go wrong? ..dude, I thought dkms was part of the apt/dpkg tool set! ;oD aptitude install dkms and its recommends etc and _make_ it part of your apt/dpkg tool set! ;oD ..I see it refuse or fail to build bad drivers all the time, but, I have _never_ seen it fail me, all I've ever done with bad stuff rejected by dkms, is remove or purge it with aptitude. ..best way is build a .deb package of that tarball and use dpkg -i to install it and then restart X, (I only reboot on long power outages and kernel upgrades) or start a new X session on :1, don't reboot, that way you can back out of everything killing any bad X and dpkg -P and reinstall whatever you threw out to try that tarballed pad driver, they may even have newer versions. ..I don't see any reason to try out tarballs any other way, other than in virtual machines. > I'd still presumably be able to boot to a text-only console, but what > do I do then? ..dunno, AFAICR, I have never played with dkms manually, I have always done it thru dpkg or aptitude. Kernel modules are easy, to remove one, e.g. modprobe -vr psmouse, I like "v" for its verbose hints. ..if you avoid rebooting, back up all your config files, build a .deb package from their tarball and let dpkg/apt handle all the dkms stuff, you'll find your .deb installed as a "Obsolete and Locally Created Packages" that you can purge with dpkg or apt. ..whether this restores all your current config files, depends on how well the distro (our and Debian's) packages has been built, so you wanna back up your config files, first. ..if you do have to reboot, e.g. on a freeze-up, and you have experience digging out of neck deep init=/bin/sh boot mud depth the good old unixy ways, fix whatever is wrong, and telinit 2 to chk it works and back, until you're done. > -- hendrik > > > > > ..found it here: > > https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Elantech+Multitouch+Trackpad=web > > > > ..https://duckduckgo.com/?q=PureOS+%22Elantech+Multitouch+Trackpad%22=images > > finds: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1166442 > > > > > I'm using ascii with LXQt. ..me too. ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] util-linux needs an upgrade on ceres
On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 12:16:30PM +0100, aitor_czr wrote: > Hi KatolaZ, > > On 10/30/2018 01:52 PM, KatolaZ wrote: > > Hi Irrwhan, > > > > you are right. Working on it. Update soon. Sorry for the inconvenience. > > > > HND > > > > KatolaZ > > I'm removing the 'su' files from shadow (login). An empty dummy package for > udevin Ceres is required too. Otherwise, debootstrap will not work: > libudev1.so exists in both udev and eudev. > Dear aitor, this should be solved now, at least for amd64, and at least for the base system. Please be aware that there might be some breakages on ceres as we are working to update it to the current state in sid in the next few weeks. HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan on a Purism
On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 09:44:48AM +0100, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > Hendrik Boom - 31.10.18, 01:49: > > On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 11:53:03PM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 14:01:03 -0400, Hendrik wrote in message > > > > > > <20181030180103.7xwhnvyqbs6zn...@topoi.pooq.com>: > > > > I use Devuan on a Purism laptop. Purism's OS is based on Debian, > > > > and > > > > has become contaminated with systemd. > > > > > > ..they blindly accepted it? > > > > Don't know how blind they were. I suspect they had started as a > > Debian derivative and didn't have the resources to jump ship. Though > > I suspect merging their changes into devuan would have been > > feasible... > > > > Now they're working on a Purism phone. They do seem to intend it to > > work with a variety of GNU/Linux systems. They're currently hoping > > to get some developers to adapt their free software to Purism's > > mobile hardware. > > AFAIR Purism also contact both the KDE and GNOME communities about > adapting their desktops. Maybe some developers got test machines. I know they were selling development boards. But a development board doesn't have the same ergomonic affordances as an actual mobile device. -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan on a Purism
On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 09:44:48 +0100, Martin wrote in message <8914632.p2IEeqaq0r@merkaba>: > Hendrik Boom - 31.10.18, 01:49: > > On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 11:53:03PM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 14:01:03 -0400, Hendrik wrote in message > > > > > > <20181030180103.7xwhnvyqbs6zn...@topoi.pooq.com>: > > > > I use Devuan on a Purism laptop. Purism's OS is based on > > > > Debian, and > > > > has become contaminated with systemd. > > > > > > ..they blindly accepted it? > > > > Don't know how blind they were. I suspect they had started as a > > Debian derivative and didn't have the resources to jump ship. > > Though I suspect merging their changes into devuan would have been > > feasible... > > > > Now they're working on a Purism phone. They do seem to intend it to > > work with a variety of GNU/Linux systems. They're currently hoping > > to get some developers to adapt their free software to Purism's > > mobile hardware. > > AFAIR Purism also contact both the KDE and GNOME communities about > adapting their desktops. Maybe some developers got test machines. ..they (puri.sm) would want to have a backup plan in case someone shuts or shoots down systemd... and wise people would want such wisdom in place and ready for action, before such drama happens, sooo, we'll see what happens. ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] A shift in systemd development
On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 19:52:39 -0700, Bruce wrote in message : > On 10/30/18 4:34 PM, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 16:00:23 -0700, Bruce wrote in message > > : > > > >> On 10/30/18 3:55 PM, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > >>> On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 15:06:33 -0700, Bruce wrote in message > >>> <34aa7646-0df8-ceec-b3ff-98c5b34f1...@baywinds.org>: > >>> > On 10/29/18 3:02 PM, goli...@dyne.org wrote: > > OK. Having no idea what an S/390 system is (except for a scan > > of the wikipedia page), I'm hoping that someone can 'splain > > how this will affect community based Linux and everyone who > > jumped on the systemd bandwagon: > > > > - > > Lennart Poettering > > @pid_eins > > > > As you all know we never have been fans of portability. It will > > come at no surprise that in light of the recent developments we > > will discontinue all non-S/390 ports of systemd very soon now. > > Please make sure to upgrade to an S/390 system soon. Thank you > > for understanding. > > > > https://twitter.com/pid_eins/status/1056924336349691905 > > > > - > What that tweet means is he can anticipate encouragement to leave > RH shortly > >>> ..maybe: ;o) > >>> https://devclass.com/2018/10/29/ibm-targets-red-hat-developers-sometime-in-2019/ > >>> > >> Yep. Having worked for them for a short short at one time, I can > >> say they take a dim view of devs (and execs) who give them the > >> finger. > > ..that's you and me opining, and probably agreeing. :o) > > > > ..but what are the facts, and IBM's opinion on them? > > > LOL you are 100 percent keerckt and we are in agreement... I think! > Opinions are like.. We don't need to finish that, do we? ..naaah, let's hear it all from the good folks at Big Blue. ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan on a Purism
On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 11:53:03PM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 14:01:03 -0400, Hendrik wrote in message > <20181030180103.7xwhnvyqbs6zn...@topoi.pooq.com>: > > > I use Devuan on a Purism laptop. Purism's OS is based on Debian, and > > has become contaminated with systemd. > > ..they blindly accepted it? > > > So, naturally, I replaced it with Devuan. > > ..any response on that from puri.sm? > > > It works very well, except for a problem with the touchpad. > > > > I can move the mouse pointer around by stroking the touch pad and I > > can do the usual left-click by pressing on the touchpad. I can do > > two-finger scrolling as well. > > > > On Purism's OS though I couls get a right-click by pushing down with > > two fingers, and a centre-click by pushing down with three fingers. > > This does not work on Devuan. To get these clicks I have resorted to > > a separate physical USB mouse. > > > > Is there any way to get this right- and centre-click emulation working > > on Devuan? Perhaps some missing driver or configuration? > > > ..does this recipe work?: > https://www.evilcodingmonkey.com/2014/01/23/ubuntu-activate-multi-touch-on-elantech/ I'm ever cautious. Haven't tried it yet. Am currently trying to figure out what is does. It appears to obtain an Ubuntu driver for the touchpad, which a bit of net search suggests is from Elantech, and then replaces the existing driver with it. My question is this: How do I undo this if things go wrong? I'd still presumably be able to boot to a text-only console, but what do I do then? -- hendrik > > ..found it here: > https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Elantech+Multitouch+Trackpad=web > > ..https://duckduckgo.com/?q=PureOS+%22Elantech+Multitouch+Trackpad%22=images > finds: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1166442 > > > I'm using ascii with LXQt. > > > > -- hendrik > > > > -- > ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen > ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... > Scenarios always come in sets of three: > best case, worst case, and just in case. > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Well, this is interesting
On 10/30/2018 03:56 PM, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 20:58:47 +, Rowland wrote in message
<20181028205847.7fac4...@devstation.samdom.example.com>:
IBM is buying Red Hat.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-28/ibm-is-said-to-near-deal-to-acquire-software-maker-red-hat
Rowland
...and may be "coming for Red Hat developers … sometime in 2019?:
https://devclass.com/2018/10/29/ibm-targets-red-hat-developers-sometime-in-2019/
I see nothing in this for the older user who wants a nice quite
computer, without background activity. I do hope IBM will welcome User
input.
I am partial towards IBM, they helped me with my education and without
their help I would not have been able to build my first
computer('75-'76). I feel they are open and trusting to keep a secret.
At the same time they will be developing a automated snooping
system-device, I say device because it's using the hardware drivers to
bind with the hardware for it's own use, has nothing to do with what the
user wants or needs to do and taking the data to cloud and who will they
deal with, suspect they are planning on .gov for a lot of money and will
they deal with MS, etc.? Who's in?
--
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Re: [DNG] Devuan + remote desktop of Ubuntu = how?
On 10/28/18 3:14 AM, Olaf Meeuwissen wrote: I don't think you need SSH when using VNC. I just happen to have used it only with SSH (and RDP). Sure. I'll test it more. Tnx! Misko ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan on a Purism
Hendrik Boom - 31.10.18, 01:49: > On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 11:53:03PM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 14:01:03 -0400, Hendrik wrote in message > > > > <20181030180103.7xwhnvyqbs6zn...@topoi.pooq.com>: > > > I use Devuan on a Purism laptop. Purism's OS is based on Debian, > > > and > > > has become contaminated with systemd. > > > > ..they blindly accepted it? > > Don't know how blind they were. I suspect they had started as a > Debian derivative and didn't have the resources to jump ship. Though > I suspect merging their changes into devuan would have been > feasible... > > Now they're working on a Purism phone. They do seem to intend it to > work with a variety of GNU/Linux systems. They're currently hoping > to get some developers to adapt their free software to Purism's > mobile hardware. AFAIR Purism also contact both the KDE and GNOME communities about adapting their desktops. Maybe some developers got test machines. -- Martin ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] "Sloppy" backports
Hi everyone! I've just become aware of the existence of jessie-backports-sloppy :D It looks like this distribution is not available on Devuan's repository, is this an oversight or by design? Thanks for your time! ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
