Quoting Arnt Karlsen (a...@iaksess.no):
> ..is/was these 2 separate swap spaces faster stand-alone than put
> together in a RAID0?
I'm not sure. Adding the additional complication of the md layer to
the Linux swapper thread's management of alternate access between two swap
partitions with equal
On Tue, 20 Nov 2018 11:50:45 -0500, Steve wrote in message
<20181120115045.311c5...@mydesk.domain.cxm>:
> On Sun, 18 Nov 2018 09:36:18 +0100
> KatolaZ wrote:
>
> > On Sun, Nov 18, 2018 at 01:08:41AM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote:
>
> > > Instead, any package diff from Debian should be
On Mon, 19 Nov 2018 11:22:53 -0800, Rick wrote in message
<20181119192253.gk4...@linuxmafia.com>:
> ## sdb and sdc are RAID1 mirrored, except for swap. Each is 18 GB
> SCSI.
> /dev/md0/var/wwwext3nodev,nosuid0
> 2 #sdb5,sdc5
> /dev/md1/var/libext3
On 08.11.18 15:12, Nico Schottelius wrote:
>
> Hey mtx,
>
> that is AWESOME. It is *THE* thing we are looking at into for ungleich
> and if there was direct support of k8s in Devuan, it could potentially
> enable many more people to use Devuan as the default infrastructure OS.
thx.
Maybe we
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On 19/11/2018 02.01, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> ..you mirror straight off http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged/, or
> off http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/ and pull some amprolla
> style stunt?
I don't pull any amprolla like stunts, I just use
For the question of whether merging / and usr is good:
It would be good except that rh pushes doing it backwards and debian
seems to be falling for that insanity, too.
/usr was intended for home directories. Hense usEr.
/usr/bin and /usr/lib were created only because disks were small.
Disks,
On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 12:03:37PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Nov 2018 09:40:14 +0100
> KatolaZ wrote:
>
> > On Sun, Nov 18, 2018 at 04:51:43PM +0900, Olaf Meeuwissen wrote:
> >
> > [cut]
> >
> > >
> > > ACK. Just like to point out that Devuan might run into packages
> > > that
On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 11:04:42AM -0800, Rick Moen wrote:
>
> As to the rest, I'm not in the habit of posting to public mailing lists
> detailed information about how often and precisely how I carry out
> security-sensitive maintenance at the very core of my systems. I'm just
> fickle and
Quoting Martin Steigerwald (mar...@lichtvoll.de):
> AFAIK make-kpkg from kernel-package has been deprecated since a long
> time, easily more than year or to already. I just did not care so far.
> It works just the way I like it… so I intend to continue to use it for
> as long as it does. Which
Rick Moen - 21.11.18, 00:02:
> Quoting Harald Arnesen (skog...@gmail.com):
> > Why not just use "make deb-pkg" from the kernel source tree?
>
> I'm a little unclear on whether this is a suggestion, ot a question,
> or both, or a suggestion disguised as a question. ;->
>
> Yesterday when I
Quoting Harald Arnesen (skog...@gmail.com):
> Why not just use "make deb-pkg" from the kernel source tree?
I'm a little unclear on whether this is a suggestion, ot a question, or
both, or a suggestion disguised as a question. ;->
Yesterday when I posted upthread, I had just then learned that
Rick Moen [20/11/2018 20.04]:
> Since the gentleman seemed not to be familiar with make-kpkg in package
> kernel-package, perhaps he should start there. (However, I believe it's
> now deprecated as of Debian stretch, and being replaced by newer
> automation tool deb-pkg, and coverage in The
Rich Moen:
...
> Since the gentleman seemed not to be familiar with make-kpkg in package
> kernel-package, perhaps he should start there. (However, I believe it's
> now deprecated as of Debian stretch, and being replaced by newer
> automation tool deb-pkg, and coverage in The Debian
On 20-11-18 18:38, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Nov 2018 13:09:59 +0100
> info at smallinnovations dot nl wrote:
>
>> On 18-11-18 09:36, KatolaZ wrote:
>>> This is not gonna happen, given for instance the way our presence in
>>> debian-devel has been "cheered up" (with aggressive posts and
>>>
On 11/19/2018 06:17 AM, KatolaZ wrote:
Hi All,
in the last few days we have seen many people going at lengths with
the pros and cons of a non-merged usr. That has been a great
discussion. We have put together a solution that consists into
choosing if you want merged-usr at install time. It's
Quoting Hendrik Boom (hend...@topoi.pooq.com):
> On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 02:32:28AM -0800, Rick Moen wrote:
> > Quoting Didier Kryn (k...@in2p3.fr):
> >
> > > And what kernel source do you use, kernel.org or Debian?
> >
> > I'm unclear on what possible use you would have for that information.
>
On 2018-11-20 11:38, Steve Litt wrote:
And who can forget the GR, where, at the last minute, when it appeared
that they stacked the deck, by adding a new alternative, when it looked
like the GR would demand Debian work without a systemd PID1?
Repeating here for truth in case anyone has not
On Mon, 19 Nov 2018 12:17:45 +0100
KatolaZ wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> in the last few days we have seen many people going at lengths with
> the pros and cons of a non-merged usr. That has been a great
> discussion. We have put together a solution that consists into
> choosing if you want merged-usr
On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 12:38:24PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Nov 2018 13:09:59 +0100
> info at smallinnovations dot nl wrote:
>
> > On 18-11-18 09:36, KatolaZ wrote:
> > > This is not gonna happen, given for instance the way our presence in
> > > debian-devel has been "cheered up"
On Sun, 18 Nov 2018 14:29:43 -0600
goli...@dyne.org wrote:
> On 2018-11-18 02:32, KatolaZ wrote:
> >
> > Besides the drama: we built yesterday a preliminary version of the
> > debian-installer for beowulf which has an explicit opt-in question
> > for usrmerge:
> >
> >
> >
Martin Steigerwald - 20.11.18, 18:22:
> So in my opinion it is good to cooperate so that Devuan can take as
> much as possible from Debian and focus on the packages that actually
> need to be changed for Debian.
For Devuan of course.
--
Martin
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On Mon, 19 Nov 2018 09:19:31 +0100
KatolaZ wrote:
> It does make a difference since we allow to install from the live,
> using refractainstaller (not d-i). I guess the ISOs themselves will be
> built without a merged usr, and then we will let the user choose if
> they want a merged usr in case
On Sun, 18 Nov 2018 13:48:47 +0100
KatolaZ wrote:
> The fact that systemd is the default in Debian and that any attempt to
> discuss the possibility of supporting alternatives is mostly seen as
> "trolling" does not make life any easier though.
And even if they promised to support
On Sun, 18 Nov 2018 13:09:59 +0100
info at smallinnovations dot nl wrote:
> On 18-11-18 09:36, KatolaZ wrote:
> > This is not gonna happen, given for instance the way our presence in
> > debian-devel has been "cheered up" (with aggressive posts and
> > personal insults). The truth is that too
Steve Litt - 20.11.18, 18:10:
> On Sun, 18 Nov 2018 10:46:13 +0100
>
> Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> > KatolaZ - 18.11.18, 09:36:
[…]
> > Maybe… not just yet.
> >
> > But there certainly is a potential. I am glad about the wonderful
> > cooperation between some Devuan and some Debian developers.
Henrik:
> On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 02:32:28AM -0800, Rick Moen wrote:
> > Quoting Didier Kryn (k...@in2p3.fr):
> >
> > > And what kernel source do you use, kernel.org or Debian?
> >
> > I'm unclear on what possible use you would have for that information.
>
> It might help those wanting to try
On Sun, 18 Nov 2018 10:46:13 +0100
Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> KatolaZ - 18.11.18, 09:36:
> > This is not gonna happen, given for instance the way our presence in
> > debian-devel has been "cheered up" (with aggressive posts and
> > personal
>
> The most important aspect here is: "has been".
On Sun, 18 Nov 2018 09:40:14 +0100
KatolaZ wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 18, 2018 at 04:51:43PM +0900, Olaf Meeuwissen wrote:
>
> [cut]
>
> >
> > ACK. Just like to point out that Devuan might run into packages
> > that have already moved programs that really ought to be in /bin
> > or /sbin over to
On Sun, 18 Nov 2018 09:36:18 +0100
KatolaZ wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 18, 2018 at 01:08:41AM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote:
> > Instead, any package diff from Debian should be considered a
> > problem to be fixed. Any patches, instead of removing systemd
> > support, should make things work both with
On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 02:32:28AM -0800, Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Didier Kryn (k...@in2p3.fr):
>
> > And what kernel source do you use, kernel.org or Debian?
>
> I'm unclear on what possible use you would have for that information.
It might help those wanting to try it themselves.
--
On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 04:28:42PM +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote:
> KatoloZ wrote: "We have put together a solution that consists into
> choosing if you want merged-usr at install time. It's available in the
> current unstable installer:"
>
> Ooooh, not even Einstein could have arrived at that!
KatoloZ wrote: "We have put together a solution that consists into
choosing if you want merged-usr at install time. It's available in the
current unstable installer:"
Ooooh, not even Einstein could have arrived at that! Very brainy,
extremely smart!
Quoting Didier Kryn (k...@in2p3.fr):
> Well, AFAIU, you compile your own kernel, with device drivers
> in the kernel, instead of modules (not possible for all), and don't
> use the packaged kernel/initrd provided by Debian.
That's not _precisely_ what I said, no. (I have nothing against
Le 20/11/2018 à 00:43, k...@aspodata.se a écrit :
Didier:
Le 17/11/2018 à 16:15,k...@aspodata.se a écrit :
Didier:
If you want to boot directly to the disk, then don't use a distro.
I boot directly to disk, why shouldn't I use a distro ?
I see no downside of using a distro, I just
Le 19/11/2018 à 23:57, Rick Moen a écrit :
Quoting Didier Kryn (k...@in2p3.fr):
Very nice. Congratulations. Do I understand well if I
understand your scripts read the config of the Debian kernel and
customize it to compile your own kernel?
I must beg your pardon, Didier, but I don't
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