On 11/19/18 3:17 AM, KatolaZ wrote:
Hi All,
in the last few days we have seen many people going at lengths with
the pros and cons of a non-merged usr. That has been a great
discussion. We have put together a solution that consists into
choosing if you want merged-usr at install time. It's
I have witnessed the same increase in productivity.
It involves a lot of people adding a filter rule to their mail clients.
Patrick
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On Thursday, November 22, 2018 7:10 PM, terryc wrote:
> Good advice, but sometimes it can be counter productive.
>
> There are
On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 12:10:11PM +1100, terryc wrote:
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>
> Good advice, but sometimes it can be counter productive.
>
> There are always "two" sides/views to any situation and I've always
> found any out burst can be helpful, cathartic and generally lead to
> increased production.
>
On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 11:44:04AM +1100, terryc wrote:
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> > Dear KatolaZ, My question wasn't intended to you, though I was
> > pretty sure you would answer and I knew your answer :-)
>
> >
> > I've observed people opposed to the merge feel very upset.
>
> At this point you
On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 11:24:05PM +0100, Alessandro Selli wrote:
> On 22/11/18 at 19:21, Roger Leigh wrote:
> > On 21/11/2018 16:11, Alessandro Selli wrote:
> >> On 21/11/18 at 13:17, Roger Leigh wrote:
> >>> Hi folks,
> >>>
> >>> I've been following the discussion with interest.
> >>
> >>
> >>
On 2018-11-22 19:10, terryc wrote:
On Thu, 22 Nov 2018 16:05:37 -0600
goli...@dyne.org wrote:
It seems you missed this good advice from Roger Leigh:
"Let me begin by stating that I found your reply (and others) to be
rude, unnecessarily aggressive, and lacking in well-reasoned
objective
On Thu, 22 Nov 2018 16:05:37 -0600
goli...@dyne.org wrote:
> On 2018-11-22 14:55, Alessandro Selli wrote:
> > On 22/11/18 at 16:25, Didier Kryn wrote:
> >> Le 22/11/2018 à 13:25, Alessandro Selli a écrit :
> >>> chown -R a-w /bin
> >>> chown -R a-w /sbin
> >>> chown -R a-w /lib
> >>
> >>
On Thu, 22 Nov 2018 18:32:53 +0100
Didier Kryn wrote:
> Le 22/11/2018 à 17:02, KatolaZ a écrit :
> > On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 04:28:55PM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote:
> >> Le 22/11/2018 à 13:42, terryc a écrit :
> >>> IME, absolutely nothing in real life works that way.
> >>> Do you dump all your
Hi Enrico,
On 19/11/18 19:34, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult wrote:
Maybe we should discuss how to bring extra packages (that aren't
covered by Debian at all) into the distro. Any ideas ?
--mtx
This week i've been working on the live-sdk and amprolla (gnuinos jessie
is comming soon). I
On 22/11/18 at 22:31, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> barrier related mount options are deprecated, well even removed at least
> for XFS, deprecated in 4.10 and and removed in 4.19¹. Write barriers
> have been replaced by explicit cache flushes² (somewhere around 2.6.39…
> I am too lazy to look it
On 22/11/18 at 19:21, Roger Leigh wrote:
> On 21/11/2018 16:11, Alessandro Selli wrote:
>> On 21/11/18 at 13:17, Roger Leigh wrote:
>>> Hi folks,
>>>
>>> I've been following the discussion with interest.
>>
>>
>> No, you definitely have not followed it. In fact you are
>> disregarding
>> all
On 2018-11-22 14:55, Alessandro Selli wrote:
On 22/11/18 at 16:25, Didier Kryn wrote:
Le 22/11/2018 à 13:25, Alessandro Selli a écrit :
chown -R a-w /bin
chown -R a-w /sbin
chown -R a-w /lib
Sorry, I meant chmod.
Mounting read-only isn't more secure than marking a directory
[… personal attacks against Didier omitted …]
I recommend to go back to basic netiquette. Attacking others in person
is not going to help anyone, nor does it add to a friendly community
around Devuan.
Alessandro Selli - 22.11.18, 21:55:
> You are again blockheadedly ignoring the fact that
On 22/11/18 at 16:28, Didier Kryn wrote:
> Le 22/11/2018 à 13:42, terryc a écrit :
>> IME, absolutely nothing in real life works that way.
>> Do you dump all your clothes into one big bin or store them by say
>> type?
>
> Files are stored in different directories, that's it for clean
>
On 22/11/18 at 16:25, Didier Kryn wrote:
> Le 22/11/2018 à 13:25, Alessandro Selli a écrit :
>> chown -R a-w /bin
>> chown -R a-w /sbin
>> chown -R a-w /lib
>
> Sorry, I meant chmod.
>
> Mounting read-only isn't more secure than marking a directory
> read-only. root can change it anytime
On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 03:16:07PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
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>
> But you wanted us to test the installer. The installer must have a
> working tasksel to not bomb out on that one step, right?
Steve, the mini.iso is a netinst. It downloads almost everything from
the net, including tasksel,
On Thu, 22 Nov 2018 21:07:57 +0100
KatolaZ wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 02:46:43PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> > On Thu, 22 Nov 2018 07:40:49 +0100
> > KatolaZ wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 12:17:45PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote:
> > >
> > > [cut]
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Note: the
Hi all,
There are a million different ways to set up your computer. Preserving
those choices is why we use Linux instead of windoz and mac. In a
recent thread people have expressed love or disdain for various setups.
Let me brag about my setup, which is probably wrong for most of you,
but it
On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 02:46:43PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Nov 2018 07:40:49 +0100
> KatolaZ wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 12:17:45PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote:
> >
> > [cut]
> >
> > >
> > > Note: the mini.iso is a barebone netinst, and tasksel does not
> > > currently work (I
On Thu, 22 Nov 2018 07:40:49 +0100
KatolaZ wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 12:17:45PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote:
>
> [cut]
>
> >
> > Note: the mini.iso is a barebone netinst, and tasksel does not
> > currently work (I am on that). The "Package selection" step will
> > fail. Just skip it, continue
On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 06:21:01PM +, Roger Leigh wrote:
> On 21/11/2018 16:11, Alessandro Selli wrote:
> > On 21/11/18 at 13:17, Roger Leigh wrote:
> > > Hi folks,
> > >
> > > I've been following the discussion with interest.
> >
> >
> > No, you definitely have not followed it. In fact
On 21/11/2018 16:11, Alessandro Selli wrote:
On 21/11/18 at 13:17, Roger Leigh wrote:
Hi folks,
I've been following the discussion with interest.
No, you definitely have not followed it. In fact you are disregarding
all the points that were expressed against the merge.
Let me begin by
On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 04:28:55PM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote:
> Le 22/11/2018 à 13:42, terryc a écrit :
> > IME, absolutely nothing in real life works that way.
> > Do you dump all your clothes into one big bin or store them by say
> > type?
>
> Files are stored in different directories,
On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 03:10:15PM +0100, Miroslav Skoric wrote:
>
> What is needed to install so that Devuan Jessie recognizes Huawei modems:
>
> - Huawei Mobile Connect - 3G modem (Wintendo sees it as such)
> - Huawei USB modem E3372 4G
> - Huawei Mobile Wifi router E5573C 4G
I used to use a
Le 22/11/2018 à 13:42, terryc a écrit :
IME, absolutely nothing in real life works that way.
Do you dump all your clothes into one big bin or store them by say
type?
Files are stored in different directories, that's it for clean
bookkeeping. Making these directories mountpoint does not
Le 22/11/2018 à 13:25, Alessandro Selli a écrit :
chown -R a-w /bin
chown -R a-w /sbin
chown -R a-w /lib
Sorry, I meant chmod.
Mounting read-only isn't more secure than marking a directory
read-only. root can change it anytime in a single command.
Didier
Hello all,
What is needed to install so that Devuan Jessie recognizes Huawei modems:
- Huawei Mobile Connect - 3G modem (Wintendo sees it as such)
- Huawei USB modem E3372 4G
- Huawei Mobile Wifi router E5573C 4G
Any good experience with those? Seems that those only support Wintendo
and Mac.
On 22/11/18 at 13:25, Alessandro Selli wrote:
> Wrong. Split / and /usr Unix systems have been around for decades and
> they have been upgradable. Your "solution" instead:
>
> chown -R a-w /bin
> chown -R a-w /sbin
> chown -R a-w /lib
>
>
> would make them not.
I am wrong here, as upgrades
On 22/11/18 at 13:42, terryc wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Nov 2018 10:10:20 +0100
> Didier Kryn wrote:
> But
>> the part of the OS (which is managed by dpkg) better stays on one
>> single partition.
> IME, absolutely nothing in real life works that way.
> Do you dump all your clothes into one big bin or
On Thu, 22 Nov 2018 10:10:20 +0100
Didier Kryn wrote:
But
> the part of the OS (which is managed by dpkg) better stays on one
> single partition.
IME, absolutely nothing in real life works that way.
Do you dump all your clothes into one big bin or store them by say
type?
Do you store all your
On 22/11/18 at 10:10, Didier Kryn wrote:
> Le 21/11/2018 à 17:11, Alessandro Selli a écrit :
>>> 1) A separate /usr serves no practical purpose on a Debian/Devuan
>>> system
>> Yes it does, and they were already listed:
>>
>>
>> 1) mounting /usr with different mount options (like barrier, ro,
Quoting Didier Kryn (k...@in2p3.fr):
> /home should
> definitely be separated and well protected (RAID where possible,
> backups), /usr/local (or /local) may as well, /opt also,since Debian
> does not use it.
Here's my idea for how best to deal with the problem of /opt:
:r! ls -l /opt
Quoting Didier Kryn (k...@in2p3.fr):
> Rick, I'm very impressed by the level of responsibility which
> has been given to you. We certainly don't have the same mileage. You
> are a professional while I am just a somehow educated amateur.
Well, when I _started_ doing that, I was a staff accountant
Le 22/11/2018 à 10:27, Rick Moen a écrit :
Quoting Didier Kryn (k...@in2p3.fr):
Just out of curiosity:
Debian kernels are patched by Debian's kernel team, in
particular for security fixes. Therefore I see 4 options (at least)
1) compile from kernel.org source with your own
Quoting Didier Kryn (k...@in2p3.fr):
> Just out of curiosity:
>
> Debian kernels are patched by Debian's kernel team, in
> particular for security fixes. Therefore I see 4 options (at least)
>
> 1) compile from kernel.org source with your own config
>
> 2) compile from
Le 21/11/2018 à 17:34, k...@aspodata.se a écrit :
To boot with an uefi system you need a fat partition available before
even the bootloader is loaded, so what is the reason that you cannot
use that instead of an initrd ?
I agree, anything done in an initrd or initramfs can be done in a
Le 21/11/2018 à 17:11, Alessandro Selli a écrit :
1) A separate /usr serves no practical purpose on a Debian/Devuan system
Yes it does, and they were already listed:
1) mounting /usr with different mount options (like barrier, ro, nodev etc);
chown -R a-w /bin
chown -R a-w /sbin
chown
Le 20/11/2018 à 20:04, Rick Moen a écrit :
Since the gentleman seemed not to be familiar with make-kpkg in package
kernel-package, perhaps he should start there. (However, I believe it's
now deprecated as of Debian stretch, and being replaced by newer
automation tool deb-pkg, and coverage in
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