Re: [DNG] What should an Install Guide accomplish?

2019-01-01 Thread Ralph Ronnquist via Dng
Concise is perfect, if comprehensive, within reason. And, perhaps gilded by a (growing?) collection of links to "user stories"? Ralph. chillfan--- via Dng wrote on 02/01/19 16:53: > Historically the community has always responded to things that are minimal > and simple, and not so much to

Re: [DNG] Added desktop-live to the install guides

2019-01-01 Thread golinux
On 2019-01-01 23:46, Edward Bartolo via Dng wrote: On 02/01/2019, goli...@dyne.org wrote: On 2019-01-01 21:37, Steve Litt wrote: The degree of attentiveness we now demand in our workplaces has been a positive trait for only a couple centuries, and genetics hasn't caught up. So

Re: [DNG] Fwd: Re: What should an Install Guide accomplish?

2019-01-01 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > Rick Moen wrote: > > > http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/lexicon.html#moenslaw-documentation > > > > Moen's Law of Documentation > > > > "The more you write, the less they read." > > Not true, if you structure the writing correctly. Especially

Re: [DNG] What should an Install Guide accomplish?

2019-01-01 Thread chillfan--- via Dng
Historically the community has always responded to things that are minimal and simple, and not so much to things that are bloated or windowsy, or similar. Imho, a reason why a new user might look to Devuan could be because it's less like windows than some of the others, and the community

[DNG] Added desktop-live to the install guides

2019-01-01 Thread Edward Bartolo via Dng
On 02/01/2019, goli...@dyne.org wrote: > On 2019-01-01 21:37, Steve Litt wrote: >> The degree of attentiveness we now >> demand in our workplaces has been a positive trait for only a >> couple centuries, and genetics hasn't caught up. So blame is >> counterproductive. >> > > I beg

Re: [DNG] Added desktop-live to the install guides

2019-01-01 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 01 Jan 2019 22:03:29 -0600 goli...@dyne.org wrote: > On 2019-01-01 21:37, Steve Litt wrote: > > The degree of attentiveness we now > > demand in our workplaces has been a positive trait for only a > > couple centuries, and genetics hasn't caught up. So blame is > >

Re: [DNG] Fwd: Re: What should an Install Guide accomplish?

2019-01-01 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 1 Jan 2019 19:04:32 -0800 Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting goli...@dyne.org (goli...@dyne.org): > > [much concentrated wisdom] > > > The best documemntation will be useless if no one reads it. > [...] > > Even though information is already available on the site and > > elsewhere, quite

Re: [DNG] Added desktop-live to the install guides

2019-01-01 Thread golinux
On 2019-01-01 21:37, Steve Litt wrote: The degree of attentiveness we now demand in our workplaces has been a positive trait for only a couple centuries, and genetics hasn't caught up. So blame is counterproductive. I beg to differ. It's not in the genetics. It's in how we

Re: [DNG] Added desktop-live to the install guides

2019-01-01 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 01 Jan 2019 19:08:17 -0600 goli...@dyne.org wrote: > On 2019-01-01 15:40, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > On Tue, 01 Jan 2019 13:51:58 -0600, goli...@dyne.org wrote in > > message <80c73e7cb3edf956e191a56acaeb4...@dyne.org>: > > > >> This useful information is beyond the scope of these INSTALL

Re: [DNG] What should an Install Guide accomplish?

2019-01-01 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 1 Jan 2019 17:34:57 -0600 Michael wrote: > = For an Install Guide I’m against ‘Minimalism.’ My feeling is that > not giving total, and literally an over abundance of information, not > only directly inhibits and stops people from doing the Install, but > also creates vast negative word

Re: [DNG] Fwd: Re: What should an Install Guide accomplish?

2019-01-01 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting goli...@dyne.org (goli...@dyne.org): [much concentrated wisdom] > The best documemntation will be useless if no one reads it. [...] > Even though information is already available on the site and > elsewhere, quite often there will be questions that could be readily > answered with a

[DNG] Fwd: Re: What should an Install Guide accomplish?

2019-01-01 Thread golinux
Sorry. Forgot to send to the list. Original Message Subject: Re: [DNG] What should an Install Guide accomplish? Date: 2019-01-01 18:50 From: goli...@dyne.org To: Michael On 2019-01-01 17:34, Michael wrote: Hi golinux and everyone else, Okay, I’m breaking this topic off

Re: [DNG] Added desktop-live to the install guides

2019-01-01 Thread golinux
On 2019-01-01 15:25, info at smallinnovations dot nl wrote: We do not have to write specific Windows guides to mention Unetbootin which will work for Linux, Windows and Mac. Of course we will have to tell the authors of Unetbootin to add Devuan to the pre-selected distros to make it complete.

Re: [DNG] Added desktop-live to the install guides

2019-01-01 Thread golinux
On 2019-01-01 15:04, chillfan--- via Dng wrote: Validating the images is optional but I think it's useful to tell people how this is done for those that want it. That part could easily be rewritten to be optional and a recommendation only. That's my suggestion for this anyway. So something like:

[DNG] What should an Install Guide accomplish?

2019-01-01 Thread Michael
Hi golinux and everyone else, Okay, I’m breaking this topic off from the ‘Added desktop-live to the install guides’ as it seems we have a much higher, philosophical level decision to make before we can continue with editing the Devuan Install Guide. Which is: == What should an Install Guide

Re: [DNG] Added desktop-live to the install guides

2019-01-01 Thread golinux
On 2019-01-01 05:52, Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Tue, 1 Jan 2019 11:01:44 +0100, aitor_czr wrote in message <93007179-fc33-c2ea-5fb4-00cd732f5...@gnuinos.org>: Happy 2019 :) On 1/1/19 10:46, goli...@dyne.org wrote: > Happy new year everyone! > > I've kicked off the new year with a late night

[DNG] SOLVED: slashes in FAT file names

2019-01-01 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 10:23:14PM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote: > I have a 32GiB microSD card an am reying to read it on my Devuan system. > I munted it with a simpel mount /dev/sdb1 /nedia/hendrik/ > > It reads almost everything fine, except for a few files whose names > contain '/' characters.

Re: [DNG] Added desktop-live to the install guides

2019-01-01 Thread chillfan--- via Dng
I was thinking about wether this would be useful too. If I remember I didn't do this with the original guide because unetbootin has more than one way of doing things, which may just confuse users. But if they did include Devuan as a target that might solve the issue, depending what people think

Re: [DNG] Added desktop-live to the install guides

2019-01-01 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 01 Jan 2019 13:51:58 -0600, goli...@dyne.org wrote in message <80c73e7cb3edf956e191a56acaeb4...@dyne.org>: > Hi Michael, > > Thanks for your thoughtful and detailed comments. Response inline > below. > > On 2019-01-01 09:46, Michael wrote: > > On Tuesday 01 January 2019 03:46:52 am

Re: [DNG] Added desktop-live to the install guides

2019-01-01 Thread info at smallinnovations dot nl
On 01-01-19 22:04, chillfan--- via Dng wrote: > Validating the images is optional but I think it's useful to tell people how > this is done for those that want it. That part could easily be rewritten to > be optional and a recommendation only. That's my suggestion for this anyway. > So

Re: [DNG] Added desktop-live to the install guides

2019-01-01 Thread chillfan--- via Dng
Validating the images is optional but I think it's useful to tell people how this is done for those that want it. That part could easily be rewritten to be optional and a recommendation only. That's my suggestion for this anyway. So something like: Installation images distributed by Devuan are

Re: [DNG] Added desktop-live to the install guides

2019-01-01 Thread golinux
On 2019-01-01 12:48, Steve Litt wrote: On Tue, 1 Jan 2019 09:46:55 -0600 Michael wrote: = {Pathing walk through of how to find the right .iso} I suggest flowchart. SteveT One of our devs has expressed an interest in putting together an interactive walkthrough to choosing the right

Re: [DNG] Added desktop-live to the install guides

2019-01-01 Thread golinux
Hi Michael, Thanks for your thoughtful and detailed comments. Response inline below. On 2019-01-01 09:46, Michael wrote: On Tuesday 01 January 2019 03:46:52 am goli...@dyne.org wrote: tweaking the install guides and adding one for the desktop-live gui install. You can start here:

Re: [DNG] Added desktop-live to the install guides

2019-01-01 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 1 Jan 2019 09:46:55 -0600 Michael wrote: > = {Pathing walk through of how to find the right .iso} I suggest flowchart. SteveT Steve Litt December 2018 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21

Re: [DNG] Added desktop-live to the install guides

2019-01-01 Thread Michael
On Tuesday 01 January 2019 03:46:52 am goli...@dyne.org wrote: > tweaking the install guides and adding one for the desktop-live gui > install. You can start here: > > https://beta.devuan.org/os/documentation/install-guides/start-here.html Hi golinux, These thoughts are from the angle of

Re: [DNG] Added desktop-live to the install guides

2019-01-01 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 1 Jan 2019 11:01:44 +0100, aitor_czr wrote in message <93007179-fc33-c2ea-5fb4-00cd732f5...@gnuinos.org>: > Happy 2019 :) > > On 1/1/19 10:46, goli...@dyne.org wrote: > > Happy new year everyone! > > > > I've kicked off the new year with a late night session in gitlab > > tweaking the

Re: [DNG] Devuan on the Librem5 devkit

2019-01-01 Thread Alessandro Selli
On 31/12/18 at 22:10, Daniel Abrecht via Dng wrote: > My devuan Images can boot on the librem5 devkit now.   Great news! > A lot of things, like the lcd display, don't work yet,   Not so great news! > but I'm working on it.   Good news!   Well, with a 2 to 1 majority of good news, the

Re: [DNG] Added desktop-live to the install guides

2019-01-01 Thread aitor_czr
Happy 2019 :) On 1/1/19 10:46, goli...@dyne.org wrote: Happy new year everyone! I've kicked off the new year with a late night session in gitlab tweaking the install guides and adding one for the desktop-live gui install. You can start here:

[DNG] Added desktop-live to the install guides

2019-01-01 Thread golinux
Happy new year everyone! I've kicked off the new year with a late night session in gitlab tweaking the install guides and adding one for the desktop-live gui install. You can start here: https://beta.devuan.org/os/documentation/install-guides/start-here.html Navigation is at the bottom of