Re: [DNG] Request for testing of slim/experimental

Hi, On 7/3/19 14:31, KatolaZ wrote: On Thu, Mar 07, 2019 at 08:13:01AM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote: Is beowulf already in a state where it is generally useable for an ordinary user on a laptop? Except maybe a few quirks like the one we're now debugging? If so I'll upgrade soon and look for

Re: [DNG] /var/lib/dbus/machine-id -- new dbus version

On 08/03/19 at 23:58, KatolaZ wrote: > Dear D1rs, > > following the discussion about /var/lib/dbus/machine-id, you find a > new version of dbus in unstable and beowulf. The new version is > 1.12.12-1+devuan2, and it should hit pkgmaster in the next 10 minutes. > > I have added a variable "IDTYPE"

Re: [DNG] new freedesktop "standard": /etc/machine-id

Hi, On 8/3/19 18:31, . fsmithred via Dng wrote: There's no /etc/machine-id in my beowulf that was an upgrade from refracta ascii or in the beowulf live iso that I just made with live-sdk. Refractasnapshot excludes /var/lib/dbus/machine-id and blanks /etc/machine-id if it's present.

Re: [DNG] new freedesktop "standard": /etc/machine-id

On 09/03/19 at 00:28, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Fri, 8 Mar 2019 22:56:36 +0100, Alessandro wrote in message > <93850f1a-3feb-adc9-1cd0-8ca8736fc...@linux.com>: > >> On 08/03/19 at 18:38, Arnt Karlsen wrote: >>> ..my /etc/cron.d/machine-id: >>> PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin >>> >>> # ..a new

Re: [DNG] /var/lib/dbus/machine-id -- new dbus version

On Fri, 8 Mar 2019 23:58:02 +0100, KatolaZ wrote in message <20190308225802.yzcbcl5e7rfl6...@katolaz.homeunix.net>: > Dear D1rs, > > following the discussion about /var/lib/dbus/machine-id, you find a > new version of dbus in unstable and beowulf. The new version is > 1.12.12-1+devuan2, and it

Re: [DNG] new freedesktop "standard": /etc/machine-id

On Fri, 8 Mar 2019 22:56:36 +0100, Alessandro wrote in message <93850f1a-3feb-adc9-1cd0-8ca8736fc...@linux.com>: > On 08/03/19 at 18:38, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > > ..my /etc/cron.d/machine-id: > > PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin > > > > # ..a new /etc/machine-id every minute... ;o) > > * * *

[DNG] /var/lib/dbus/machine-id -- new dbus version

Dear D1rs, following the discussion about /var/lib/dbus/machine-id, you find a new version of dbus in unstable and beowulf. The new version is 1.12.12-1+devuan2, and it should hit pkgmaster in the next 10 minutes. I have added a variable "IDTYPE" in /etc/default/dbus which is set by default to

Re: [DNG] new freedesktop "standard": /etc/machine-id

On 08/03/19 at 18:38, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > ..my /etc/cron.d/machine-id: > PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin > > # ..a new /etc/machine-id every minute... ;o) > * * * * * root date |md5sum |cut -d" " -f-1 >/etc/machine-id |tee > >/dev/null 2>&1   What is tee doing there?   It duplicates

Re: [DNG] simple-netaid-backend debugged.

On 08/03/19 at 01:34, Rick Moen wrote: > 'netstat -nalp' is hard-wired into my memory, whereas I have to look up > the 'ss' equivalent, every time.   You're lucky, as the ss equivalent of netstat -nalp is ss -nalp! -n, --numeric Do not try to resolve service names. -a, --all Display both

Re: [DNG] simple-netaid-backend debugged.

On 08/03/19 at 16:30, Bot Fap wrote: > > > On Fri, 8 Mar 2019, 00:10 Alessandro Selli, > wrote: > > On 08/03/19 at 00:50, Ralph Ronnquist via Dng wrote: > > > > It's intriguing to see you get so emotional about this. > > >   My objections are

Re: [DNG] simple-netaid-backend debugged.

On 08/03/19 at 05:26, terryc wrote: > On Thu, 7 Mar 2019 22:05:39 +0100 > Alessandro Selli wrote: > >> On 07/03/19 at 21:22, Ralph Ronnquist via Dng wrote: >>> Alessandro Selli wrote on 8/3/19 6:49 am:   Next improvement would be using current commands (ip and iw) in place of the

Re: [DNG] new freedesktop "standard": /etc/machine-id

KatolaZ wrote on 9/3/19 1:00 am: > On Fri, Mar 08, 2019 at 01:49:20PM +, Mark Hindley wrote: >> On Fri, Mar 08, 2019 at 02:23:20PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: >>> Jaromil, >>> >>> this is currently managed by eudev in devuan and, IIRC, it is simply >>> regenerated as a random ID at each boot.

Re: [DNG] new freedesktop "standard": /etc/machine-id

On Fri, 8 Mar 2019 19:18:10 +0100, KatolaZ wrote in message <20190308181810.7wnfugnqmqtie...@katolaz.homeunix.net>: > anyway: > > - /etc/hostid is defined in POSIX 2001 and POSIX 2008 (man gethostid) > > - /proc/sys/kernel/random/boot_id is randomly generated by the kernel > at each boot

Re: [DNG] new freedesktop "standard": /etc/machine-id

Quoting Arnt Karlsen (a...@iaksess.no): > ..my /etc/cron.d/machine-id: > PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin > > # ..a new /etc/machine-id every minute... ;o) > * * * * * root date |md5sum |cut -d" " -f-1 >/etc/machine-id |tee > >/dev/null 2>&1 _Very_ nice solution. I think I'll steal it

Re: [DNG] Request for testing of slim/experimental

On Thu, Mar 07, 2019 at 08:31:33AM +1100, Ralph Ronnquist via Dng wrote: > So, apparently 'slim' since long ago believes something else is > responsible for registring the session(s), but that something else > doesn't agree. Would people who are experiencing missing slim utmp entries mind trying

Re: [DNG] new freedesktop "standard": /etc/machine-id

Am Freitag, 8. März 2019 schrieb KatolaZ: > On the other hand, it looks like /etc/machine-id mighr come from > Debian installations "converted" to Devuan, but we should check > whether any of the installer components might have put it there. We > should collect as many reports as possible of

Re: [DNG] new freedesktop "standard": /etc/machine-id

On 2019-03-08 11:50, KatolaZ wrote: On Fri, Mar 08, 2019 at 12:31:55PM -0500, . fsmithred via Dng wrote: On 3/8/19, KatolaZ wrote: > > Then we could probably just ignore it, right? It turns out I was > making confusion between /etc/machine-id and > /car/lib/dbus/machine-id. There is no

Re: [DNG] new freedesktop "standard": /etc/machine-id

Rowland: > On Fri, 8 Mar 2019 11:44:49 -0600 > "Jamey Fletcher" wrote: ... > > I have it here on my Gentoo install - and /var/lib/dbus/machine-id is > > a symlink to it. It's basically the same length as a MD5SUM - why > > not just standardize on the MD5SUM of an empty 0-byte file ( > >

Re: [DNG] new freedesktop "standard": /etc/machine-id

On Fri, Mar 08, 2019 at 06:38:32PM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote: [cut] > > > > I don't seem to have it and everything works without it. > > > > It's on my beowulf installations, and I didn't even know that it was > > there :-/ > > ..quick starting point: > ll /proc/sys/kernel/random/boot_id

Re: [DNG] new freedesktop "standard": /etc/machine-id

Rowland wrote: > On Fri, 8 Mar 2019 11:44:49 -0600 > "Jamey Fletcher" wrote: >> I have it here on my Gentoo install - and /var/lib/dbus/machine-id is >> a symlink to it. It's basically the same length as a MD5SUM - why >> not just standardize on the MD5SUM of an empty 0-byte file ( >>

Re: [DNG] new freedesktop "standard": /etc/machine-id

On Fri, 8 Mar 2019 11:44:49 -0600 "Jamey Fletcher" wrote: > > Anno domini 2019 Fri, 8 Mar 10:45:04 -0600 > > > Nate Bargmann scripsit: > > >> * On 2019 08 Mar 08:00 -0600, KatolaZ wrote: > > >>> and, IIRC, also /var/lib/dbus/machine-id is re-generated at boot > >>> time. But we need to

Re: [DNG] new freedesktop "standard": /etc/machine-id

On Fri, Mar 08, 2019 at 12:31:55PM -0500, . fsmithred via Dng wrote: > On 3/8/19, KatolaZ wrote: > > > > Then we could probably just ignore it, right? It turns out I was > > making confusion between /etc/machine-id and > > /car/lib/dbus/machine-id. There is no /etc/machine-id in any of my > >

Re: [DNG] new freedesktop "standard": /etc/machine-id

On Fri, Mar 08, 2019 at 11:44:49AM -0600, Jamey Fletcher wrote: > >> Not on this Debian Buster machine. Both /var/lib/dbus/machine-id and > >> /etc/machine-id have a date/time consistent with the initial system > >> installation back in October. The machine has been rebooted a number of > >>

Re: [DNG] new freedesktop "standard": /etc/machine-id

> Anno domini 2019 Fri, 8 Mar 10:45:04 -0600 > Nate Bargmann scripsit: >> * On 2019 08 Mar 08:00 -0600, KatolaZ wrote: >>> and, IIRC, also /var/lib/dbus/machine-id is re-generated at boot >>> time. But we need to double-check. >> Not on this Debian Buster machine. Both

Re: [DNG] new freedesktop "standard": /etc/machine-id

On Fri, 8 Mar 2019 15:46:26 +0100, Dr. wrote in message <201903081546.27040.dr.kl...@gmx.at>: > Anno domini 2019 Fri, 8 Mar 13:15:48 + > Rowland Penny via Dng scripsit: > > On Fri, 8 Mar 2019 13:47:40 +0100 > > Jaromil wrote: > > > > > > > > re all, > > > > > > any thoughts about this

Re: [DNG] new freedesktop "standard": /etc/machine-id

On 3/8/19, KatolaZ wrote: > > Then we could probably just ignore it, right? It turns out I was > making confusion between /etc/machine-id and > /car/lib/dbus/machine-id. There is no /etc/machine-id in any of my > machines, either on ascii or on beowulf, and I had forgotten you had > pushed the

Re: [DNG] new freedesktop "standard": /etc/machine-id

Anno domini 2019 Fri, 8 Mar 10:45:04 -0600 Nate Bargmann scripsit: > * On 2019 08 Mar 08:00 -0600, KatolaZ wrote: > > and, IIRC, also /var/lib/dbus/machine-id is re-generated at boot > > time. But we need to double-check. > > Not on this Debian Buster machine. Both /var/lib/dbus/machine-id and

Re: [DNG] new freedesktop "standard": /etc/machine-id

* On 2019 08 Mar 08:00 -0600, KatolaZ wrote: > and, IIRC, also /var/lib/dbus/machine-id is re-generated at boot > time. But we need to double-check. Not on this Debian Buster machine. Both /var/lib/dbus/machine-id and /etc/machine-id have a date/time consistent with the initial system

Re: [DNG] new freedesktop "standard": /etc/machine-id

On Fri, Mar 08, 2019 at 02:08:39PM +, Mark Hindley wrote: > On Fri, Mar 08, 2019 at 03:00:31PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > > > Yes, elogind uses it. But I got upstream to take a patch which uses > > > /var/lib/dbus/machine-id as an alternative to /etc/machine-id. > > > > > > > and, IIRC, also

Re: [DNG] new freedesktop "standard": /etc/machine-id

Anno domini 2019 Fri, 8 Mar 13:15:48 + Rowland Penny via Dng scripsit: > On Fri, 8 Mar 2019 13:47:40 +0100 > Jaromil wrote: > > > > > re all, > > > > any thoughts about this new systemd-made thing that freedesktop > > immediately "standardized" (whatever is their procedure for that, > >

Re: [DNG] new freedesktop "standard": /etc/machine-id

On Fri, Mar 08, 2019 at 02:23:20PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > Jaromil, > > this is currently managed by eudev in devuan and, IIRC, it is simply > regenerated as a random ID at each boot. I guess it's still there > because it is used by several things, including > session-management-related stuff. We

Re: [DNG] new freedesktop "standard": /etc/machine-id

On Fri, Mar 08, 2019 at 03:00:31PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > > Yes, elogind uses it. But I got upstream to take a patch which uses > > /var/lib/dbus/machine-id as an alternative to /etc/machine-id. > > > > and, IIRC, also /var/lib/dbus/machine-id is re-generated at boot > time. But we need to

Re: [DNG] new freedesktop "standard": /etc/machine-id

On 08-03-19 14:23, KatolaZ wrote: > On Fri, Mar 08, 2019 at 01:47:40PM +0100, Jaromil wrote: >> re all, >> >> any thoughts about this new systemd-made thing that freedesktop >> immediately "standardized" (whatever is their procedure for that, >> likely smoking cigars among old-boys or so) >>

Re: [DNG] new freedesktop "standard": /etc/machine-id

On Fri, Mar 08, 2019 at 01:49:20PM +, Mark Hindley wrote: > On Fri, Mar 08, 2019 at 02:23:20PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > > Jaromil, > > > > this is currently managed by eudev in devuan and, IIRC, it is simply > > regenerated as a random ID at each boot. I guess it's still there > > because it

Re: [DNG] new freedesktop "standard": /etc/machine-id

Jaromil: > any thoughts about this new systemd-made thing that freedesktop > immediately "standardized" (whatever is their procedure for that, > likely smoking cigars among old-boys or so) > https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/machine-id.html ... . It doesn't say "why". Why should

Re: [DNG] new freedesktop "standard": /etc/machine-id

On Fri, Mar 08, 2019 at 02:23:20PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > > but first things first: do we want /etc/machine-id? and how? > this is currently managed by eudev in devuan and, IIRC, it is simply > regenerated as a random ID at each boot. > we concluded that keeping it around but re-generating it

Re: [DNG] new freedesktop "standard": /etc/machine-id

On Fri, Mar 08, 2019 at 01:47:40PM +0100, Jaromil wrote: > > re all, > > any thoughts about this new systemd-made thing that freedesktop > immediately "standardized" (whatever is their procedure for that, > likely smoking cigars among old-boys or so) >

Re: [DNG] new freedesktop "standard": /etc/machine-id

On Fri, 8 Mar 2019 13:47:40 +0100 Jaromil wrote: > > re all, > > any thoughts about this new systemd-made thing that freedesktop > immediately "standardized" (whatever is their procedure for that, > likely smoking cigars among old-boys or so) >

[DNG] new freedesktop "standard": /etc/machine-id

re all, any thoughts about this new systemd-made thing that freedesktop immediately "standardized" (whatever is their procedure for that, likely smoking cigars among old-boys or so) https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/machine-id.html its easy to replace by a script of course that's

Re: [DNG] simple-netaid-backend debugged.

On 2019-03-07 19:49, Alessandro Selli wrote: Next improvement would be using current commands (ip and iw) in place of the obsolete and deprecated ones, i.e. ifconfig and iwconfig: ifconfig and iwconfig being depracted or obsolete is questionable at best. They work, get security patches if