Re: [DNG] Update successful but video card issue
Hello Tim, On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 10:05:54PM +, Tim Wallace via Dng wrote: > I have been happily running ascii but upgraded from my Intel built-in > graphics to an AMD FirePro W4100 because I do a lot of 4K video editing, > but no game-playing, and thought this 50W card would save energy and > work well with 4K. There is a nearly identical Nvidia card, but I > decided to support AMD, for easier Linux support, which has not been my > experience! > [...] > Motherboard ASRock Z97 Extreme6, i7-4790K, 16 GB, latest Bios 2.80 > [...] In the hope this won't disappoint you too much, but in my opinion you should have better invested the money into more memory or a fast SSD. The main purpose of AMD FirePro as well as the NVidia Quadro Cards are multi monitor configuration (They have lots of connectors) Do you have multiple monitors? If you compare their specs with the "gamer" cards you'll see that you get much less gpu performance for the same pricing. Their power consumption is low, because they are typically build from the lowest performance chips of a series, Often even clocked down variants. I suppose the W4100 to be something like an R7 250E card, which is actually the same as an Radeon HD7750 (Like mine, 5 years old). If have a single monitor, you'd better use a recent gamer card. You should remind, that the "Power Consumption" is the maximum value the card will take under full load. Typical GPUs have 8-15 W during Desktop use. My current favorite would be an Radeon RX550X. Its twice as fast as the W4100 but costs only about 90€. Also current cards have better Video decoding and Encoding capabilities than the old ones. I suppose the integrated GPU of the i7 can also drive a 4K Display provided the Mainboard has Display Port Connector. It should work without issues on any current linux distribution. cheers, Andreas -- gnuPG keyid: 8C2BAF51 fingerprint: 28EE 8438 E688 D992 3661 C753 90B3 BAAA 8C2B AF51 signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Update successful but video card issue
Hello Tim, > Thanks so much for your helpful (and sobering) replies! If I had spent > $50 (instead of $260) for this card, I would have already trashed it and > just bought the Nvidia one (Quadro K1200)! Clearly AMD is not a panacea > for Linux video cards! I may still do that, or maybe try to return it.) > AMDGPU drivers usually works great on Linux, as they are the same drivers shipped by Amd minus the proprietary stuff. radeon is the old opensource project, nobody really should use it anymore unless amdgpu isn't working for them. A work around for your problem could be to remove the other drivers (xserver-xorg-video-ati and xserver-xorg-video-radeon), leaving only amdgpu to be loaded. Make sure firmware-amd-graphics is installed, backports if possible. Don't forget to install the backports of mesa, to get the latest available drivers. ASCII uses pretty old software, and in your case you really want something more recent if not the most recent. When it comes to drivers and the kernel, there is almost no reason for anybody to not use backports. > Ludovic, I don't have the card installed right now, but the family is > VERDE as seen in this old Xorg output: (--) RADEON(0): Chipset: "VERDE" > (ChipID = 0x682c) > CAPE VERDE is of the Southern Islands family. The amdgpu driver supports SI and newer families' video cards. You should be good. Ludovic signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Update successful but video card issue
Hi temp, The 5.4 kernel is also available through the backports if you're running Beowulf. Ludovic On 31/01/20 03:20, tempforever wrote: > I have no idea whether it will help your particular problem, but I can > report that I've successfully built and run run 5.4 on ascii (if that > was a question). > > Tim Wallace via Dng wrote: >> I have played with the CMDLINE stuff, and blacklisting, to no avail. >> I wonder if compiling a 5.4 kernel would solve my graphics problem, >> and work with beowulf and/or asci? > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Update successful but video card issue
On Fri, Jan 31, 2020 at 02:28:09AM +, Tim Wallace via Dng wrote: > Yes it was, and thanks for that data point. I'm more likely to try it on > beowulf, but sounds like there are no major low-level subsystem > incompatibilities. > --Tim The 5.4.14 kernel compiles and runs just fine on Beowulf. Greg -- web site: http://www.gregn.net gpg public key: http://www.gregn.net/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) If we haven't been in touch before, e-mail me before adding me to your contacts. -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-mana...@eu.org ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Update successful but video card issue
Yes it was, and thanks for that data point. I'm more likely to try it on beowulf, but sounds like there are no major low-level subsystem incompatibilities. --Tim On Friday, January 31, 2020, 2:20:41 AM UTC, tempforever wrote: I have no idea whether it will help your particular problem, but I can report that I've successfully built and run run 5.4 on ascii (if that was a question). Tim Wallace via Dng wrote: > I have played with the CMDLINE stuff, and blacklisting, to no avail. I > wonder if compiling a 5.4 kernel would solve my graphics problem, and work > with beowulf and/or asci? ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Update successful but video card issue
I have no idea whether it will help your particular problem, but I can report that I've successfully built and run run 5.4 on ascii (if that was a question). Tim Wallace via Dng wrote: I have played with the CMDLINE stuff, and blacklisting, to no avail. I wonder if compiling a 5.4 kernel would solve my graphics problem, and work with beowulf and/or asci? ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Update successful but video card issue
Hi Ludovic and Roland-- Thanks so much for your helpful (and sobering) replies! If I had spent $50 (instead of $260) for this card, I would have already trashed it and just bought the Nvidia one (Quadro K1200)! Clearly AMD is not a panacea for Linux video cards! I may still do that, or maybe try to return it.) Roland, what kernel modules are you running (radeon, amdgpu, both?) and what X server driver? I get flashes much more often with X driver radeon, but FS video with mpv runs smoothly! Ludovic, I don't have the card installed right now, but the family is VERDE as seen in this old Xorg output: (--) RADEON(0): Chipset: "VERDE" (ChipID = 0x682c) I'm 99% sure that the amdgpu drivers are what I need for this card, which is a 2015 card. I'm just amazed that a company that supports Linux so well would have a card this old failing this badly! I have looked at many of the links you mention, and tried to blacklist the radeon module but without success. I've tried many things, so I forget the exact symptoms of that failure. After reading your replies, I re-looked at some of my other links, and found the following interesting one at https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/444068/how-to-switch-drivers-from-radeon-to-amdgpu Note at the bottom it states: I've been doing a lot of digging around, and seems linux kernel 4.13.0 doesn't have driver support I think for my card. So I tested kernel 4.16.0-041600-generic, which loaded the amdgpudrmfb driver along with amdgpu. Also to get x server working I had to add some device specific settings for the amdgpu in xorg.conf after doing X -showopts in console TTY1 (ctrl+alt+F1) – cryptoboy May 17 '18 at 5:24 Additionally and I'm not sure if it was already blacklisted but I noticed in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-framebuffer.conf that radeonfb was blacklisted. I was thinking maybe the amdgpu-pro package did that ? – cryptoboy May 17 '18 at 5:26 I figured out why it stops booting past the point of loading the amdgpudrmfb, as seen in the image I posted, due to the fact I needed to pass to the kernel the following parameters: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="radeon.si_support=0 amdgpu.si_support=1 amdgpu.cik_support=1 radeon.cik_support=0" However, this goes to a blank screen, until I put in the xorg.conf configuration, which then everything loads fine. – cryptoboy May 17 '18 at 5:36 I have played with the CMDLINE stuff, and blacklisting, to no avail. I wonder if compiling a 5.4 kernel would solve my graphics problem, and work with beowulf and/or asci? I find it pretty hilarious that I picked this card over the Nvidia for minimum hassle out-of-the-box, have spent a couple of full days failing to get it working, and am now talking about compiling kernels! When you've used Linux since 1992, you expect that you can solve any problem, but it's not always true! Not sure what I'll do going forward, but thankful for the very helpful DNG list! --Tim On Thursday, January 30, 2020, 7:10:49 AM UTC, Roland Gebhard Sidler wrote: Hi Ludovic,hi Tim, actually, I do have the same issues. I am running a Thinkstation P520Cwith a Radeon Firepro W4100 with a 4K Benq PD3200U. I literally spent weeks of searching information about this problem to get rid of the flickering,but without any success. I tried several distributions (Linux Mint, Devuan and actually MXLinux) without any difference. And I also tried the proprietary drivers, which didn't change anything,installing it after the open driver and by installing it as first driver. I even tried various connections (HDMI, DP). The problem appears irregularely and more frequently whilest watching videos.There is a slight difference between watching 4k/30fps and 4k/60fps, wheras 4k/60fpsshows less flickering of the whole screen than 4k/30fps. And after having watched a 4k/60fps video for some seconds,the screen won't flicker at all for several minutes. My guess is a timing problem of the AMD Firepro W4100. Might be, using a AMD Radeon Pro WX would change that? Sincerely Roland Am 30 Jan 2020 04:07:58 +0100 (CET) Von "Ludovic Bellière" : Hello Tim, First you need to know the chipset name of your card in order to know it's family. To do that you need to run (or similar): ``` lspci | grep VGA ``` It's output on my desktop shows: ``` 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Ellesmere [Radeon RX 470/480] (rev ef) ``` This tells me that the chipset name of my card is Ellesmere, which is the POLARIS architecture. A quick look to [RadeonFeature][1] tells me that POLARIS is part of the [Volcanic Islands family][2]. The [gentoo wiki][3] might help too. Knowing the family is important, as it tells you how to tell the kernel to load the amdgpu driver before radeon. Because I suspect FirePro W4100 to be quite
