Re: [DNG] Check default_transport if you can't send email through Postfix
Quoting Ian Zimmerman (i...@very.loosely.org): > Hi Rick :) Greetings, friend! > Is there a reference to a Debian mailing list (or a similar digital > history document) where the decision to switch to Postfix was taken? Upon re-examination, I believe I erred, and Exim4 remains Default MTA in Debian, albeit arguing over that vs. Postfix appears to be a sempiternal flamewar^W discussion. -- Cheers, Rick MoenDiaeresis: Keeping the cow out of co-worker since 700 AD. r...@linuxmafia.com McQ! (4x80) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Check default_transport if you can't send email through Postfix
On 2020-05-12 23:58, Rick Moen via Dng wrote: > Passing along as Postfix is now default MTA for Devuan/Debian. > Untested by this reporter. (Personally, I still like Exim4.) Hi Rick :) Is there a reference to a Debian mailing list (or a similar digital history document) where the decision to switch to Postfix was taken? -- Ian ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] beowulf and partitionable md raids
Dear Dev1ers Unfortunately Debian still thinks partionable RAIDs are not worth to integrate into the installer. Like this it is still hard work to get a Devuan beowulf on a bootable partionable md raid1 and with UEFI not even possible according to my tries... First of all I believe partitionable md raids are superior to "usual" mds which just span over partitions on different disks instead over the whole disk. If a disks dies and has to be replaced for the usual mds one needs to copy the partition table first using sfdisk -d /dev/workingdisk | sfdisk /dev/newdisk and install the boot loader on it, where as with partionable mds you can just hot add a new disk to the running raid using mdadm. Maybe that changed until today without me being aware of. I was able to set up a ascii on a partitionable raid0 including /boot using BIOS and DOS disk labels (with metadata 1.2). I failed miserably doing this using a GPT partition scheme and UEFI. Did someone manage to achieve this? Recently I retried using the beowulf installer, changed to the console to setup and format the md. The installer did not recognise the partitions are formatted and suggest refomatting them. Since I don't know if it pays attention to the stride-size and stripe-width options of Ext4 I don't want to let it do it. I then found out that it will install on it, when the raid is mounted in /target (you also need to bind mount /dev, /dev/pts, mount /sys and /proc as well). This definitively used to be different in earlier versions of the installer. Would it be hard to enhance the installer to fully support partitionable mds? Regards, Adrian. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] without-systemd.org not working
On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 12:09:46PM -0700, spiralofhope wrote: > On Sat, 16 May 2020 03:06:37 +1000 > wirelessduck--- via Dng wrote: > > > > On 15 May 2020, at 22:51, Emiliano Marini via Dng > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > I don't know who contact but the site http://without-systemd.org > > > isn't working (it throws database error): > > > > It looks to have been resurrected by someone else at > > https://without-systemd.frama.wiki/ but I can’t verify for it’s > > authenticity or content. "This is the resurrected without-systemd wiki, which was once hosted at without-systemdorg. The pages were fetched from Wayback Machine and converted to dokuwiki syntax." > TL;DR - WONTFIX Reminds me to revisit https://ewontfix.com/14/ for Felker's Broken by Design article on systemd. None of the other init systems could compete sysvinit due to the latter's huge installed base. Except when marketing came along... -- Joel Roth ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] DNG] Waterfox issues under Devuan ASCII
On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 11:40:56AM +0200, Riccardo Mottola via Dng wrote: > I don't have a fast enough i686 machine with Devuan.. it needs 1.5GB of ram > at least. Maybe a version compiled on Ubuntu 16 works? Setup a i686 chroot on amd64. Either that, or a virtual machine with a i686 guest. No need for real i686 machines to compile software; they'd probably spend days doing it anyway assuming they could in the first place with big enough swap. Greg -- web site: http://www.gregn.net gpg public key: http://www.gregn.net/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) If we haven't been in touch before, e-mail me before adding me to your contacts. -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-mana...@eu.org ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] without-systemd.org not working
Great, thanks! On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 2:06 PM wirelessduck--- via Dng wrote: > > > On 15 May 2020, at 22:51, Emiliano Marini via Dng > wrote: > > > I don't know who contact but the site http://without-systemd.org isn't > working (it throws database error): > > > It looks to have been resurrected by someone else at > https://without-systemd.frama.wiki/ but I can’t verify for it’s > authenticity or content. > > —Tom > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] without-systemd.org not working
I believe that, we are being targeted by some.. even in the IRC, whitout expanding more on that.. Citando spiralofhope : On Sat, 16 May 2020 03:06:37 +1000 wirelessduck--- via Dng wrote: On 15 May 2020, at 22:51, Emiliano Marini via Dng wrote: I don't know who contact but the site http://without-systemd.org isn't working (it throws database error): It looks to have been resurrected by someone else at https://without-systemd.frama.wiki/ but I can’t verify for it’s authenticity or content. TL;DR - WONTFIX Checking archives, it looks to have died in June 2019 with this as the last snapshot (from the Wayback Machine, I did not check other archives): https://web.archive.org/web/20190531032538/http://without-systemd.org:80/wiki/index.php/Main_Page I have a note from 2016-11-08 that said it had dated and incorrect information (with nothing specific cited). I don't know if the website was improved/corrected between then and that 2019-05-31 archive, and I don't know if that frama.wiki is an updated fork or just an archive. When I check the whois record: https://godaddy.com/whois/results.aspx?domain=without-systemd.org I see that without-systemd.org was updated 2019-10-02. Since that update is after the site died (2019-06-nn), I'm guessing the website has was abandoned, and there won't be any interest in fixing it. :( ___ Dng mailing list d...@lists.dyne.orghttps://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] without-systemd.org not working
On Sat, 16 May 2020 03:06:37 +1000 wirelessduck--- via Dng wrote: > > On 15 May 2020, at 22:51, Emiliano Marini via Dng > > wrote: > > > > > > I don't know who contact but the site http://without-systemd.org > > isn't working (it throws database error): > > It looks to have been resurrected by someone else at > https://without-systemd.frama.wiki/ but I can’t verify for it’s > authenticity or content. TL;DR - WONTFIX Checking archives, it looks to have died in June 2019 with this as the last snapshot (from the Wayback Machine, I did not check other archives): https://web.archive.org/web/20190531032538/http://without-systemd.org:80/wiki/index.php/Main_Page I have a note from 2016-11-08 that said it had dated and incorrect information (with nothing specific cited). I don't know if the website was improved/corrected between then and that 2019-05-31 archive, and I don't know if that frama.wiki is an updated fork or just an archive. When I check the whois record: https://godaddy.com/whois/results.aspx?domain=without-systemd.org I see that without-systemd.org was updated 2019-10-02. Since that update is after the site died (2019-06-nn), I'm guessing the website has was abandoned, and there won't be any interest in fixing it. :( ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] without-systemd.org not working
> On 15 May 2020, at 22:51, Emiliano Marini via Dng wrote: > > > I don't know who contact but the site http://without-systemd.org isn't > working (it throws database error): It looks to have been resurrected by someone else at https://without-systemd.frama.wiki/ but I can’t verify for it’s authenticity or content. —Tom___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] without-systemd.org not working
I don't know who contact but the site http://without-systemd.org isn't working (it throws database error): *Warning*: include(/usr/share/mediawiki-extensions/base/ExtensionFunctions.php): failed to open stream: No such file or directory in */etc/mediawiki-extensions/extensions.php* on line *4* *Warning*: include(): Failed opening '/usr/share/mediawiki-extensions/base/ExtensionFunctions.php' for inclusion (include_path='/var/lib/mediawiki:/var/lib/mediawiki/includes:/var/lib/mediawiki/languages:/usr/share/mediawiki/vendor/pear/pear_exception:/usr/share/mediawiki/vendor/pear/console_getopt:/usr/share/mediawiki/vendor/pear/pear-core-minimal/src:/usr/share/mediawiki/vendor/pear/mail_mime:/usr/share/mediawiki/vendor/pear/net_socket:/usr/share/mediawiki/vendor/pear/net_smtp:/usr/share/mediawiki/vendor/pear/mail:.:/usr/share/php:/usr/share/pear') in */etc/mediawiki-extensions/extensions.php* on line *4* A database query error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. Can somebody contact the site admin? Cheers, Emiliano. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan success report - Old Toshiba
Hi, Antony Stone wrote: I'm assuming that you're saying that things got noticeably worse when you "upgraded" from Debian 7 Wheezy to Debian 8 Jessie (with the introduction of systemd), but is that correct? Yes. But things got even worse with Debian 9. I'm intrigued as to how "like for like" a comparison we have here, between a version of Debian and the essentially identical version of Devuan, minus of course, systemd. This is what I think a little unfair: I felt a "gradual" worsening, release after release. Even in the time of starting up X, memory usage. Interesting is that I kept this laptop for several years on Debian and did not "add" packages, actually I just removed the nice IceApe and never replaced it with firefox which would die on such an old machine,. So standard console productivity (telnet, ssh...) , X11 and standard X tools (xterm, such), minicom. Then I have all development tools (gcc, gobjc, make, libffi) to compile GNUstep, but those should normally just consume up disk space when not used. And you update, update update... and things "look" the same but get slower and slower... On one side I would think fatter libraries, feature creep independencies. Newer kernels... And then systemd! Riccardo ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] DNG] Waterfox issues under Devuan ASCII
Hi "Tux" tuxd3v wrote: If someone is interested.. I can use also some help, no tot hijack this One nice thing would be deb packages for it, on i686:) I don't have a fast enough i686 machine with Devuan.. it needs 1.5GB of ram at least. Maybe a version compiled on Ubuntu 16 works? For me it is easy to make a .tgz (the build system has a "package", never made a .deb package. Will search. Maybe Aitor created a deb? As said - right now I have very little help for this project. It started as a "test" but now proves to be more useful and has has some followers! Riccardo ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Waterfox issues under Devuan ASCII
Hello Aitor, aitor wrote: The issue was the same as you pointed out: that is, the version of the compiler. It worked for me only with gcc-6. Trying with gcc-7 the build process ends upwith the mentioned non declared functions. No idea about a possible solution so far.About the missing symbols you say you're getting, they might be related with the use of-jN together with higher versions of gcc. It happened to me building bulmages a few years ago,an accounting program, when we were migrating it from Qt4 to Qt5: using -j1 it worked. All the same, i tried with gcc-7, and the strtol function (declared in without any precompiler directive) was not recognized. no unfortunately it is not as simple as compiling with -j1. I am pretty sure it has to do with gcc7 and linux (since as said, on NetBSD I can compile with gcc7 amd -j2!) I will ask generally for help, perhaps. It would help me a lot fixing this. Maybe there are some firefox commits that fiexd it between FF 45 and 52-esr. As you noticed it fails with "standard" thigns like strtol and atoi... Riccardo ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
