Re: [DNG] net-install troubles [SOLVED]
Turns out tha the trouble was because i was trying to run the install from a muli-boot usb stick. found another smaller usb stick and dd’d the image to the stick. the install was then successfull. the installer didn’t work whe the is was loaded from grub on the stick. could be a feature or a bug. :-) it is amd64. the install is complete. thanks for your help. —Curtis mailto:cur...@maurand.com Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 1, 2020, at 7:53 PM, Ozi Traveller via Dng wrote: > > > The non-free firmware is here: > > http://deb.devuan.org/merged/pool/DEBIAN/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-linux-nonfree_20190114-2_all.deb > >> On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 6:31 AM Hendrik Boom wrote: >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 06:20:19PM +, Curtis Maurand via Dng wrote: >> > Hello, >> > I'm new to the mailing list, but not new to devuan. I've been running >> > devuan ascii in production for a couple of years. I really like the >> > product. My system is so much more stable without systemd and all the bull >> > associated with Ubuntu. >> > >> > I've been trying to use the net-install from a USB stick on a system that >> > does not have a CD-ROM attacted. It has been a failure. >> > >> > Here are the troubles. If any of you have work arounds, I'd be grateful >> > >> > first it complains about needing a non-free firmware for the wifi device >> > and asks for a a non-existant CD. It keeps asking and I keep saying no. It >> > look for the ISO that is loaded from the USB stick or go out to the >> > network for the firmware since it asks again after the network loads and >> > configures. >> > >> > It asks for a realtek driver for the realtek nic's but they seem to work >> > OK. >> >> Sorry. I don't know where to get the nonfree firmware if it isn't on >> your installation media. Perhaps you are installing in a mode that >> refuses nonfree anything? I believe there's an option in the installer >> to allow nonfree firmware. That's an option the Free Software >> Foundation complains about and refuses to consider Debian and Devuan to >> be truly free. >> >> See if you can find that option. >> >> > >> > When partitioning the disk, It sees the exisiting partitions and >> > filesystems that are there (Ext4, BTRFS and SWAP). When I go to set >> > the mount point and whether to use the partition I get the choice of >> > "Do not use," Ext2, Fat16, and Fat32. No Ext4 or BTRFS which are the >> > two that i need. >> >> Maybe a workaround? >> >> Are you planning to install the new system on those Ext4, BTRFS >> partitions? >> >> Or are you going to install it on new partitions and have the eventual >> installed system use those partitions? >> >> If the latter, you could install a minimal system on the partitions it >> will let you use, and then afterward add the others to the /etc/fstab >> file. >> >> This whole situation puzzles me; I have never had to do this on a new >> install. >> >> I have done things like this on my server, which has had no new >> installation of Debian/Devuan for over a decade. Create new partitions >> for new file systems, copy the entire system over, adjust critical files >> (like /etc/fstab) in the copied system, boot into it and then upgrade. >> I go through this charade to make sure I have a fallback in case the >> upgrade fails (it has once -- ran out of disk space in /usr) but it also >> works when I want to change file systems. >> >> But I've never had it on a new install. >> >> -- hendrik >> >> > >> > At this point, I have to give up. I'm about to try the Desktop-Live. The >> > net-install should work and have drivers for Ext4 at least, right? >> > >> > Should I install ascii and then do a dist-upgrade? I've done that to a >> > couple of very lightweight systems (DNS servers) successfully. >> > >> > Thanks in advance >> > Curtis >> >> > ___ >> > Dng mailing list >> > Dng@lists.dyne.org >> > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng >> >> ___ >> Dng mailing list >> Dng@lists.dyne.org >> https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] FYI, was net-install troubles
On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 18:20:19 + Curtis Maurand via Dng wrote: > Hello, > I'm new to the mailing list, but not new to devuan. I've been running > devuan ascii in production for a couple of years. I really like the > product. My system is so much more stable without systemd and all the > bull associated with Ubuntu. > > I've been trying to use the net-install from a USB stick on a system > that does not have a CD-ROM attacted. It has been a failure. SS: A useful item in my kit is a external USB-CD/DVD drive. LS: In the past I've built every boxen with a CD/DVD and most of them only needed it for installation or problem, so I've accumulated copious drives over the years. One external CD/DVDS drive solved all that and saved money & time and I can copy CDs/DVDs when required. > > Here are the troubles. If any of you have work arounds, I'd be > grateful That was why I purchased the external USB CD/DVD drive, it solved all the problems one had to deal with net-installs and bootp(shudder). ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] net-install troubles
The non-free firmware is here: http://deb.devuan.org/merged/pool/DEBIAN/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-linux-nonfree_20190114-2_all.deb On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 6:31 AM Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 06:20:19PM +, Curtis Maurand via Dng wrote: > > Hello, > > I'm new to the mailing list, but not new to devuan. I've been running > devuan ascii in production for a couple of years. I really like the > product. My system is so much more stable without systemd and all the bull > associated with Ubuntu. > > > > I've been trying to use the net-install from a USB stick on a system > that does not have a CD-ROM attacted. It has been a failure. > > > > Here are the troubles. If any of you have work arounds, I'd be grateful > > > > first it complains about needing a non-free firmware for the wifi device > and asks for a a non-existant CD. It keeps asking and I keep saying no. It > look for the ISO that is loaded from the USB stick or go out to the network > for the firmware since it asks again after the network loads and configures. > > > > It asks for a realtek driver for the realtek nic's but they seem to work > OK. > > Sorry. I don't know where to get the nonfree firmware if it isn't on > your installation media. Perhaps you are installing in a mode that > refuses nonfree anything? I believe there's an option in the installer > to allow nonfree firmware. That's an option the Free Software > Foundation complains about and refuses to consider Debian and Devuan to > be truly free. > > See if you can find that option. > > > > > When partitioning the disk, It sees the exisiting partitions and > > filesystems that are there (Ext4, BTRFS and SWAP). When I go to set > > the mount point and whether to use the partition I get the choice of > > "Do not use," Ext2, Fat16, and Fat32. No Ext4 or BTRFS which are the > > two that i need. > > Maybe a workaround? > > Are you planning to install the new system on those Ext4, BTRFS > partitions? > > Or are you going to install it on new partitions and have the eventual > installed system use those partitions? > > If the latter, you could install a minimal system on the partitions it > will let you use, and then afterward add the others to the /etc/fstab > file. > > This whole situation puzzles me; I have never had to do this on a new > install. > > I have done things like this on my server, which has had no new > installation of Debian/Devuan for over a decade. Create new partitions > for new file systems, copy the entire system over, adjust critical files > (like /etc/fstab) in the copied system, boot into it and then upgrade. > I go through this charade to make sure I have a fallback in case the > upgrade fails (it has once -- ran out of disk space in /usr) but it also > works when I want to change file systems. > > But I've never had it on a new install. > > -- hendrik > > > > > At this point, I have to give up. I'm about to try the Desktop-Live. The > net-install should work and have drivers for Ext4 at least, right? > > > > Should I install ascii and then do a dist-upgrade? I've done that to a > couple of very lightweight systems (DNS servers) successfully. > > > > Thanks in advance > > Curtis > > > ___ > > Dng mailing list > > Dng@lists.dyne.org > > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] terminal paste failure
Last night for some reason I can no lonter paste text selected in nano to another nano document with the middle mouse button. It seems to have failed in the course of the night. I've been running Beowulf ever since the beta. I don't have a desktop environment but rely on fluxbox for window management. The problem affects both root and user. It does not affect selecting and pasting between GUI applications such aa emacs. It affects both eterm and mlterm. eTerm puzzles me. I installed xterm, but it runs eterm. Clearing the caches did not help: $ xsel -cp && xsel -cs && xsel -cb Selected text shows up in xcliboard, and so the problem seems to be with pasting. I tried Ctl-Shift-c and Ctl-Shift-v without luck. I tried Ctl-w to cut a work, but Ctl-y did not paste it. I repladed the (wireless) mouse and used it in a different port. Reconfiguring xserver-xorg and rebooting did not help. However, an old wired USB mouse does not suffer from the problem. Haines Brown ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] net-install troubles
On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 06:20:19PM +, Curtis Maurand via Dng wrote: > Hello, > I'm new to the mailing list, but not new to devuan. I've been running devuan > ascii in production for a couple of years. I really like the product. My > system is so much more stable without systemd and all the bull associated > with Ubuntu. > > I've been trying to use the net-install from a USB stick on a system that > does not have a CD-ROM attacted. It has been a failure. > > Here are the troubles. If any of you have work arounds, I'd be grateful > > first it complains about needing a non-free firmware for the wifi device and > asks for a a non-existant CD. It keeps asking and I keep saying no. It look > for the ISO that is loaded from the USB stick or go out to the network for > the firmware since it asks again after the network loads and configures. > > It asks for a realtek driver for the realtek nic's but they seem to work OK. Sorry. I don't know where to get the nonfree firmware if it isn't on your installation media. Perhaps you are installing in a mode that refuses nonfree anything? I believe there's an option in the installer to allow nonfree firmware. That's an option the Free Software Foundation complains about and refuses to consider Debian and Devuan to be truly free. See if you can find that option. > > When partitioning the disk, It sees the exisiting partitions and > filesystems that are there (Ext4, BTRFS and SWAP). When I go to set > the mount point and whether to use the partition I get the choice of > "Do not use," Ext2, Fat16, and Fat32. No Ext4 or BTRFS which are the > two that i need. Maybe a workaround? Are you planning to install the new system on those Ext4, BTRFS partitions? Or are you going to install it on new partitions and have the eventual installed system use those partitions? If the latter, you could install a minimal system on the partitions it will let you use, and then afterward add the others to the /etc/fstab file. This whole situation puzzles me; I have never had to do this on a new install. I have done things like this on my server, which has had no new installation of Debian/Devuan for over a decade. Create new partitions for new file systems, copy the entire system over, adjust critical files (like /etc/fstab) in the copied system, boot into it and then upgrade. I go through this charade to make sure I have a fallback in case the upgrade fails (it has once -- ran out of disk space in /usr) but it also works when I want to change file systems. But I've never had it on a new install. -- hendrik > > At this point, I have to give up. I'm about to try the Desktop-Live. The > net-install should work and have drivers for Ext4 at least, right? > > Should I install ascii and then do a dist-upgrade? I've done that to a couple > of very lightweight systems (DNS servers) successfully. > > Thanks in advance > Curtis > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] net-install troubles
On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 06:20:19PM +, Curtis Maurand via Dng wrote: > I've been trying to use the net-install from a USB stick on a system that > does not have a CD-ROM attacted. It has been a failure. I assume that by net-install, you mean an amd64 netinst of beowulf, right? If not, then please clarify which netinst. > When partitioning the disk, It sees the exisiting partitions and filesystems > that are there (Ext4, BTRFS and SWAP). When I go to set the mount point and > whether to use the partition I get the choice of "Do not use," Ext2, Fat16, > and Fat32. No Ext4 or BTRFS which are the two that i need. The amd64 netinst of beowulf does indeed have ext4 support. As far as I know, before you can select how to use a partition, you need to select the mount point. Have you done that first? Did you verify the netinst image you downloaded isn't corrupted? Have you made sure the USB stick was written correctly? One of the options the installer has is to verify the checksums of the packages contained in the disk image. Greg -- web site: http://www.gregn.net gpg public key: http://www.gregn.net/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) If we haven't been in touch before, e-mail me before adding me to your contacts. -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-mana...@eu.org ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Non-systemd Linux for older hardware (was: Devuan Jessie End of Life (EOL) archiving)
On Wed, Jul 01, 2020 at 08:18:37PM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > Hi! > > spiralofhope - 01.07.20, 05:53:38 CEST: > > On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 16:53:19 +0200 > > > > "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" wrote: > > > A word of condolence to anybody fixed on old hardware. If you cannot > > > upgrade, there is still the BSD-family which offer support down to > > > 80486. And they, too, are systemd-free > > > > It's been a while, but I wonder if Slackware would be the Linux > > alternative: > > > > http://www.slackware.com/ > > > > There is a non-SMP (single processor) kernel mentioned here: > > > > http://www.slackware.com/releasenotes/14.2.php > > I bet one could use "make bindeb-pkg" to just build a kernel package > that works on this old hardware and then stuff it into the machine > *before* upgrading. > > Unless it is not just the kernel but also glibc or something somehow not > working on older hardware. It may well be that the newer hardware has machine instructions not available on older hardware, and that the compilers that generate packaged code use those machine instructions; in which case the new packages would be quite incomatible with the old hardware. -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] net-install troubles
Hello, I'm new to the mailing list, but not new to devuan. I've been running devuan ascii in production for a couple of years. I really like the product. My system is so much more stable without systemd and all the bull associated with Ubuntu. I've been trying to use the net-install from a USB stick on a system that does not have a CD-ROM attacted. It has been a failure. Here are the troubles. If any of you have work arounds, I'd be grateful first it complains about needing a non-free firmware for the wifi device and asks for a a non-existant CD. It keeps asking and I keep saying no. It look for the ISO that is loaded from the USB stick or go out to the network for the firmware since it asks again after the network loads and configures. It asks for a realtek driver for the realtek nic's but they seem to work OK. When partitioning the disk, It sees the exisiting partitions and filesystems that are there (Ext4, BTRFS and SWAP). When I go to set the mount point and whether to use the partition I get the choice of "Do not use," Ext2, Fat16, and Fat32. No Ext4 or BTRFS which are the two that i need. At this point, I have to give up. I'm about to try the Desktop-Live. The net-install should work and have drivers for Ext4 at least, right? Should I install ascii and then do a dist-upgrade? I've done that to a couple of very lightweight systems (DNS servers) successfully. Thanks in advance Curtis ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Non-systemd Linux for older hardware (was: Devuan Jessie End of Life (EOL) archiving)
Hi! spiralofhope - 01.07.20, 05:53:38 CEST: > On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 16:53:19 +0200 > > "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" wrote: > > A word of condolence to anybody fixed on old hardware. If you cannot > > upgrade, there is still the BSD-family which offer support down to > > 80486. And they, too, are systemd-free > > It's been a while, but I wonder if Slackware would be the Linux > alternative: > > http://www.slackware.com/ > > There is a non-SMP (single processor) kernel mentioned here: > > http://www.slackware.com/releasenotes/14.2.php I bet one could use "make bindeb-pkg" to just build a kernel package that works on this old hardware and then stuff it into the machine *before* upgrading. Unless it is not just the kernel but also glibc or something somehow not working on older hardware. Ciao, -- Martin ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Non-systemd Linux for older hardware (was: Devuan Jessie End of Life (EOL) archiving)
On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 16:53:19 +0200 "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" wrote: > A word of condolence to anybody fixed on old hardware. If you cannot > upgrade, there is still the BSD-family which offer support down to > 80486. And they, too, are systemd-free :) It's been a while, but I wonder if Slackware would be the Linux alternative: http://www.slackware.com/ There is a non-SMP (single processor) kernel mentioned here: http://www.slackware.com/releasenotes/14.2.php I know Puppy is adamant about supporting older hardware, and there's a Slackware-derived "Slacko Puppy": http://puppylinux.com/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan Jessie End of Life (EOL) archiving
It's been a long journey - may it rest in peace.
A word of condolence to anybody fixed on old hardware. If you cannot upgrade,
there is still the BSD-family which offer support down to 80486. And they, too,
are systemd-free :)
https://www.freebsd.org/platforms/i386.html
https://www.openbsd.org/i386.html
http://wiki.netbsd.org/ports/i386/
Nik
Anno domini 2020 Wed, 1 Jul 12:37:35 +0100
Mark Hindley scripsit:
> Friends,
>
> On 30th June 2020, Debian was scheduled to end its Long Term Support (LTS) for
> Debian 8 ('Jessie')[1]. As a result, the Devuan Project will be archiving its
> first release, codename Jessie. Since Jessie will receive no further
> maintenance or updates (including security fixes), it will be removed from
> Devuan's mirror network to a new Devuan service that has been set up to hold
> historical archived releases[2].
>
> If you are still using Devuan Jessie, please upgrade to Devuan ASCII (or via
> ASCII to Beowulf) as a matter of urgency. Any users with very old x86 hardware
> (pure Pentium class processors) please note that Debian dropped support for
> i586
> in Debian 9 ('Stretch')[3] so ASCII and subsequent releases will not work for
> you.
>
> Also, the deprecated package repositories on http://packages.devuan.org and
> http://auto.mirror.devuan.org have only been maintained for compatibility with
> Devuan Jessie. They will be decommissioned very shortly. We kindly ask all
> users
> of Devuan ASCII and Beowulf to ensure that they are using
> http://deb.devuan.org
> in their APT sources lists.
>
> Yours
>
> Mark Hindley
>
> On behalf of the Devuan Dev Team
> _
>
> [1] https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Jessie
> [2] https://archive.devuan.org
> [3]
> https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/i386/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#i386-is-now-almost-i686
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[DNG] Devuan Jessie End of Life (EOL) archiving
Friends,
On 30th June 2020, Debian was scheduled to end its Long Term Support (LTS) for
Debian 8 ('Jessie')[1]. As a result, the Devuan Project will be archiving its
first release, codename Jessie. Since Jessie will receive no further
maintenance or updates (including security fixes), it will be removed from
Devuan's mirror network to a new Devuan service that has been set up to hold
historical archived releases[2].
If you are still using Devuan Jessie, please upgrade to Devuan ASCII (or via
ASCII to Beowulf) as a matter of urgency. Any users with very old x86 hardware
(pure Pentium class processors) please note that Debian dropped support for i586
in Debian 9 ('Stretch')[3] so ASCII and subsequent releases will not work for
you.
Also, the deprecated package repositories on http://packages.devuan.org and
http://auto.mirror.devuan.org have only been maintained for compatibility with
Devuan Jessie. They will be decommissioned very shortly. We kindly ask all users
of Devuan ASCII and Beowulf to ensure that they are using http://deb.devuan.org
in their APT sources lists.
Yours
Mark Hindley
On behalf of the Devuan Dev Team
_
[1] https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Jessie
[2] https://archive.devuan.org
[3]
https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/i386/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#i386-is-now-almost-i686
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