Re: [DNG] Discovery #fail

[Ludovic Bellière]

Hi Steve,

It's most likely a debian issue. And to be more precise, a Xorg that
may not be up to date. I would advise you to check devuan's Xorg
version and check if the firmware of your laptop is talked about on the
internet. Ubuntu likely uses a more recent version of Xorg than debian,
or any other library that enable discovery of your display.

All in all, a display doesn't seem to have to do anything with init
freedom. Would it?

Ludovic

On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 16:34:25 +
Steve Scott via Dng  wrote:

> Greetings all,
> I've been a long time Devuan user, and have donated to the
> project because I would very much like to see it continue. I recently
> was forced to upgrade my laptop, having completely destroyed my old
> one, and upon installation (dual boot) of Beowulf 3.1.0 and reboot,
> was dropped into a shell prompt, no graphics. LSPCI revealed only 2
> devices were actually identified, the others merely providing
> vendor/device ID information, including the NVIDIA gfx device.
> dmidecode provided plenty of information however. I was able to
> install the driver from the vendor and get CUDA working, but was
> never able to get Xorg to recognize the display.
> 
> Since a desktop was pretty critical to my needs for this machine, I
> gave Ubuntu a shot - not that I like Ubuntu all that much, but they
> do seem to have desktop setup polished well.
> 
> Whadayaknow, Ubuntu pretty much discovered everything, so it appears
> I will be living here for the time being. Happy to provide whatever
> data you need. SWS


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[DNG] Discovery #fail

[Steve Scott via Dng]

Greetings all,
I've been a long time Devuan user, and have donated to the project because 
I would very much like to see it continue. I recently was forced to upgrade my 
laptop, having completely destroyed my old one, and upon installation (dual 
boot) of Beowulf 3.1.0 and reboot, was dropped into a shell prompt, no graphics.
LSPCI revealed only 2 devices were actually identified, the others merely 
providing vendor/device ID information, including the NVIDIA gfx device.
dmidecode provided plenty of information however.
I was able to install the driver from the vendor and get CUDA working, but was 
never able to get Xorg to recognize the display.

Since a desktop was pretty critical to my needs for this machine, I gave Ubuntu 
a shot - not that I like Ubuntu all that much, but they do seem to have desktop 
setup polished well.

Whadayaknow, Ubuntu pretty much discovered everything, so it appears I will be 
living here for the time being. Happy to provide whatever data you need.
SWS
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Re: [DNG] Beowulf installation skipped networking. Quickest fix? SOLVED

[wirelessduck--- via Dng]

> Probably that is just dhcp.
> If you want to see current settings
> 
> sudo ifconfig  (old command)
> 
> Someone might post the  'new' command

That would be

`ip address show`

Or

`ip a`

If you’re lazy :P

https://baturin.org/docs/iproute2/

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Re: [DNG] Package Repository Issue

[Tony Thedford]

Well... Uhmmm.. it seems that somehow ( between beer mug refills :-) ) I 
had managed to uninstall the devuan-keyring package. Needless to say 
errors were to be expected. devuan-keyring package is re-installed now, 
all is working normally again. Sorry for the bother, thanks for the replies.



On 3/27/21 8:36 PM, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote:

Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 22:44:01 +
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On Saturday, March 27, 2021 10:37 PM, g4sra via Dng  wrote:


‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
On Saturday, March 27, 2021 8:06 PM, aitor  wrote:


Hi Tony,

On 27/3/21 19:24, Tony Thedford wrote:


Hello,

Seems to be an issue on the package mirrors regarding i686 packages today. I 
get the following errors about a missing public key. Note that amd64 packages 
are working ok, do not have such errors.

W: GPG error:http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged  beowulf-security InRelease: 
The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not 
available: NO_PUBKEY BB23C00C61FC752C
E: The repository 'http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged  beowulf-security 
InRelease' is not signed.
N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore 
disabled by default.
N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration 
details.

Check the date\time on your i386 host...

s/i386/i686/
It's been a long day, it's late, the clocks go back tonight, I am going to 
bed..like I should have before I wrote that.
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Re: [DNG] Beowulf installation skipped networking. Quickest fix? SOLVED

[terryc]

On Sat, 27 Mar 2021 17:28:37 +1030
dva...@internode.on.net wrote:

>  On 26.03.21 06:54, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 15:49:13 +1030

> > Have your tried juat rebooting with the ethernet cable plugged
> > in?   
> 
> I probably should have, but on finding no mention of eth0 in the /etc
> files, I reinstalled Beowulf with the cable plugged in. It was so
> quick
> compared to the old days, that am dazed that it's all there. Then
> networking just worked ... even though there was still no mention of
> eth0.
> I hadn't been asked for an ethernet address or subnet mask - it was
> all
> magic.

Probably that is just dhcp.
If you want to see current settings

sudo ifconfig  (old command)

Someone might post the  'new' command

If you want to set permanent parameters, just edit 
/etc/network/interfaces.

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Re: [DNG] Beowulf installation skipped networking. Quickest fix? SOLVED

[Patrick Bartek via Dng]

On Sat, 27 Mar 2021 17:28:37 +1030
dva...@internode.on.net wrote:

>  On 26.03.21 06:54, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 15:49:13 +1030
> > dva...@internode.on.net wrote:
> >   
> > >  My shiny new Beowulf  3.0.0 install on an Intel NUC skipped  
> ethernet
> > > stuff, perhaps because the ethernet cable wasn't inserted at the  
> time?
> > > 
> > > Now, I can start hacking /etc/network/interfaces, /etc/hosts,
> > > resolv.conf,
> > > etc., but will that reveal so much missing that I'm better off  
> doing
> > > another
> > > install with the LAN plugged in? Heck, are there kernel modules
> > > missing?  
> > 
> > Have your tried juat rebooting with the ethernet cable plugged
> > in?   
> 
> I probably should have, but on finding no mention of eth0 in the /etc
> files, I reinstalled Beowulf with the cable plugged in. It was so
> quick
> compared to the old days, that am dazed that it's all there. Then
> networking just worked ... even though there was still no mention of
> eth0.

Some systems have weird designation for the ethernet port. Mine is
enp1s0.

> I hadn't been asked for an ethernet address or subnet mask - it was
> all
> magic.

Linux has gotten smarter.  It can now set all that up without user
input.

> I've only had Beowulf for a few hours, but it is immediately
> comfortable.

I'd been using Debian for years (since Sarge), but when they switched
to systemd from sysvinit, I started looking for an alternative.
Luckily, Devuan Beowulf came along and I abandoned Debian.  Happy with
it.  All working well.  And I have a customized system:  no desktop,
just a window manager, a single panel, etc. 

> Whoever thought of leaving the release notes on the desktop deserves a
> medal. That was the first thing I was going to hunt for, as I'd read
> the
> note on pulseaudio prior to install. The problem line is commented
> out,
> but I still have no audio; will have to poke at that a bit. But first
> to
> move email to the new host, so I can get off this webmail horror.

All I did to enable sound was to use alsamixer to turn on the master
volume.  Volumes for all sound channels is zero by default.

B
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Re: [DNG] Default logins for ARM images?

[spiralofhope]

On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 20:33:48 -0700
Gregory Nowak via Dng  wrote:

> On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 12:30:45PM +0200, Lars Noodén via Dng wrote:
> > I'm looking at an ARM image for Beowulf, but cannot find where the
> > default password is annotated.  It's not on either of these pages:
> > 
> > https://arm-files.devuan.org/
> > https://www.devuan.org/get-devuan
> > 
> > And no README file seems to be present.  What is the default
> > user/password for those images?  
> 
> I also am unable to find where this is documented. If memory serves
> though, the user is root, and the password is toor (root
> backwards). Try if that works.

The default password is documented here:

https://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/devuan/README.txt
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[DNG] adding raspi to sources.list

[Gregory Nowak via Dng]

Hi all.

I want to add:



to my sources.list. However, this seems to be a dangling directory
with no references to it in the package indexes. I've tried two forms
in sources.list:

deb http://deb.devuan.org/devuan pool/raspi/l/linux-raspi/

which returns:

W: Failed to fetch
http://deb.devuan.org/devuan/pool/raspi/l/linux-raspi/Packages  404
Not Found

and another form:

deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf raspi

which returns:

W: Failed to fetch
http://deb.devuan.org/merged/dists/beowulf/InRelease  Unable
to find expected entry 'raspi/binary-armhf/Packages' in Release file
(Wrong sources.list entry or malformed file)

Both of these errors make sense, since this is a dangling directory
like I said.

Is there a way to do what I want, or do I need to download the correct
package manually, and install with dpkg -i? If what I want to do is
possible, then could someone please post the correct format for the
sources.list entry? Thanks.

Greg


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Re: [DNG] Package Repository Issue

[g4sra via Dng]

‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
On Saturday, March 27, 2021 10:37 PM, g4sra via Dng  wrote:

> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> On Saturday, March 27, 2021 8:06 PM, aitor  wrote:
> 

> > Hi Tony,
> > 

> > On 27/3/21 19:24, Tony Thedford wrote:
> > 

> > > Hello,
> > > 

> > > Seems to be an issue on the package mirrors regarding i686 packages 
> > > today. I get the following errors about a missing public key. Note that 
> > > amd64 packages are working ok, do not have such errors.
> > > 

> > > W: GPG error: http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged beowulf-security 
> > > InRelease: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the 
> > > public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY BB23C00C61FC752C
> > > E: The repository 'http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged beowulf-security 
> > > InRelease' is not signed.
> > > N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is 
> > > therefore disabled by default.
> > > N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user 
> > > configuration details.
> 

> Check the date\time on your i386 host...

s/i386/i686/
It's been a long day, it's late, the clocks go back tonight, I am going to 
bed..like I should have before I wrote that.

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Re: [DNG] Package Repository Issue

[g4sra via Dng]

‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
On Saturday, March 27, 2021 8:06 PM, aitor  wrote:

> Hi Tony,
> 

> On 27/3/21 19:24, Tony Thedford wrote:
> 

> > Hello,
> > 

> > Seems to be an issue on the package mirrors regarding i686 packages today. 
> > I get the following errors about a missing public key. Note that amd64 
> > packages are working ok, do not have such errors.
> > 

> > W: GPG error: http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged beowulf-security 
> > InRelease: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public 
> > key is not available: NO_PUBKEY BB23C00C61FC752C
> > E: The repository 'http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged beowulf-security 
> > InRelease' is not signed.
> > N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore 
> > disabled by default.
> > N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration 
> > details.

Check the date\time on your i386 host...

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Re: [DNG] Default logins for ARM images?

[ippaket via Dng]

I have tried to use the devuan_beowulf_3.1.0_armel_rpi0.img for my old 
Raspi. I have found a README.txt in https://arm-files.devuan.org with 
some credentials in it. But none of them was working. I do not know the 
user/password.


I have mounted the memory card with the image on my desktop and have 
disabled the root password in /etc/passwd. After that I could login as 
root without password.


/Frank

On 26/03/2021 11.30, Lars Noodén via Dng wrote:


I'm looking at an ARM image for Beowulf, but cannot find where the
default password is annotated.  It's not on either of these pages:

https://arm-files.devuan.org/
https://www.devuan.org/get-devuan

And no README file seems to be present.  What is the default
user/password for those images?

/Lars
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Re: [DNG] Package Repository Issue

[aitor]

Hi Tony,

On 27/3/21 19:24, Tony Thedford wrote:


Hello,

Seems to be an issue on the package mirrors regarding i686 packages 
today. I get the following errors about a missing public key. Note 
that amd64 packages are working ok, do not have such errors.


W: GPG error: http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged beowulf-security 
InRelease: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the 
public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY BB23C00C61FC752C
E: The repository 'http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged beowulf-security 
InRelease' is not signed.
N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is 
therefore disabled by default.
N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user 
configuration details.


Anyone else getting these?


I'm under amd64, but debootstrap worked for i686 using pkgmaster.devuan.org

Did you try again?

Aitor.


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Re: [DNG] FSF and human rights

[Simon Hobson]

> On 27 Mar 2021, at 03:55, John Morris  wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 2021-03-26 at 15:46 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
>> 
>> I'd suggest nobody sign anything, and nobody respond to this email.
>> 
>> If you believe that Stallman was removed, shunned and criticized
>> because of guilt by association, then it's not much of a stretch to
>> believe that you will suffer the same fate if you defend him. And then
>> any who defends *you* will suffer the same fate, ad infinitum. 
> 
> This exactly how a "climate of fear" works.  Anyone who has looked three
> seconds at the Cultural Revolution or any of the other descents into
> madness of the 20th Century knows exactly what is going on here.

Agreed.
The very first thing that went through my mind when I read SL's post was ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_...

> First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
>  Because I was not a socialist.
> 
> Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
>  Because I was not a trade unionist.
> 
> ...


I met RMS when he did a speaking tour over here in the UK a while back. I can 
fully understand the comments people have made about him being the most 
infuriating person to deal with. But then, people with principles usually are 
in my opinion - the ones you need to watch out for are the ones who put "being 
liked" high on their list of priorities. With people who hold on to their 
principles, yo know where you stand - even if you don't like them. With the 
latter type you don't know where you stand - but best not turn your back lest 
you (figuratively) get a knife in it.
I can say that for all his annoyances, his principles were clear - and held 
nothing whatsoever that I could imagine any **reasonable** person finding 
argument with.

As to Debian, well one thing that goes through my mind is how flipping 
hypocritical they are when the Debian project would almost certainly not even 
exist if it weren't for RMS and both his technical output and his principled 
stance.

Obviously individuals will need to consider their own situation. I will be 
signing in support of RMS. In the UK we still have (in spite of attempts by 
some to copy the worst ideas to come from the USA) a number of protections - so 
I have zero worries about losing my employment etc. And as I'm not on 
FaecesBorg I don't need to worry about that.

My 2d worth, Simon

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[DNG] Package Repository Issue

[Tony Thedford]

Hello,

Seems to be an issue on the package mirrors regarding i686 packages 
today. I get the following errors about a missing public key. Note that 
amd64 packages are working ok, do not have such errors.


W: GPG error: http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged beowulf-security 
InRelease: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the 
public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY BB23C00C61FC752C
E: The repository 'http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged beowulf-security 
InRelease' is not signed.
N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is 
therefore disabled by default.
N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user 
configuration details.


Anyone else getting these?


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Re: [DNG] FSF and human rights

[Didier Kryn]

Le 27/03/2021 à 13:30, Steve Litt a écrit :
> Alexis PM via Dng said on Sat, 27 Mar 2021 09:23:21 + (UTC)
>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> Debian is engaging in a disgusting attack against RMS:
>>> https://www.debian.org/vote/2021/vote_002
>>>
>>> Does Devuan have resolutions to sign open letters?
>>> I'd propose to sign this one instead:
>>> https://rms-support-letter.github.io/
>>>
>>> See also:
>>> An orthodox analysis entitled Justice for Dr. Richard Matthew
>>> Stallman, which recaps the whole story.
>>> https://jorgemorais.gitlab.io/justice-for-rms/
>>>
>>> A post, written by Hannah Wolfman-Jones, with a response from
>>> civil-rights expert Nadine Strossen, former president of the ACLU.
>>> https://www.wetheweb.org/post/cancel-we-the-web
>>>  
>> I propose to extend the Devuan (and personal) signature of the quoted
>> letter ( https://rms-support-letter.github.io/index.html ) also to the
>> other existing letter of support (more detailed but little known)
>> https://gitlab.com/KenjiBrown/rms-open-letter/-/blob/master/index.md
>> (replicated at
>> https://github.com/KenjiBrown/rms-open-letter.github.io/blob/main/index.md
> You know, I might not be the best person to advocate for Devuan,
> because pretty much everyone knows my Daily Driver Desktop (DDD) is
> Void Linux. But I run Devuan on VMs, and if Void ever stops being
> viable, Devuan is my Plan B.
>
> I think pretty much everyone also knows of my anti-systemd advocacy in
> the critical 2014-2015 period, and I'm quite sure that advocacy cost my
> business revenue in the five figures category.
>
> But this isn't about me. This is about some very brave VUAs who built
> Devuan when everyone said it couldn't be done. Devuan is a very
> valuable resource to many, many people. Without Devuan, the cause of
> init-choice would be set back immensely.
>
> And now you're suggesting Devuan put that all at risk to take a stand
> on RMS. Well you know what? No distro should get involved with
> politics, and this RMS thing *is* politics. It cost Mint plenty of
> users when they said supporters of Israel shouldn't use Mint, and it
> just might destroy Devuan if they take a stand, on either side, on this
> RMS thing.
>
> Listen, if you want to sign that stuff, go ahead. Don't come crying to
> me if your boss fires you for cause for violating their social
> networking policy, and you can't get unemployment because you were
> fired for cause.
>
> But don't get the Devuan distro involved. Devuan is the work of many,
> many people, for many, many years, around the once very unpopular
> stance of init-choice. Don't put that at risk.
>
    I second Steve here. There is no point in involving Devuan, in
particular because certainly not everyone is on the same position. The
appropriate response is personal. The Debian attackers are packed, but
on the GCC mailing list 4 or 5 developpers asked individually for the
bannishment of RMS. I consider the responses should be individual. I
posted a mail to the GCC list and received a private reply by one of the
developpers asking for the ban.

--     Didier


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Re: [DNG] Remote two-way sound?

[g4sra via Dng]

‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
On Saturday, March 27, 2021 5:32 PM, Antony Stone 
 wrote:

> On Saturday 27 March 2021 at 17:29:56, tito via Dng wrote:
> 

> > On Sat, 27 Mar 2021 16:36:46 +0100 Antony Stone wrote:
> > 

> > > Does anyone know of a remote access mechanism which supports two-way
> > > sound?
> > 

> > Krdc (Kde remote desltop client) has a setting:
> > Sound: on this computer / Remote computer /disable sound
> > and Alsa/Pulseaudio/None.
> 

> I've always interpreted that as sound from the remote machine coming to me,
> but not including a microphone on my machine getting converyed to the other
> end.
> 

> > Cannot say if it does what you want as I don't use audio in remote
> > desktop sessions.
> 

> Nor me, usually, but this is a simple thing for me to try (since I already
> have KDE at both ends) so I'll see what it does.
> 

> Antony.


Never tried, but I have a project coming up that requires exactly this.
I suggest you avoid getting bogged down in Desktops and complexity which has 
little to do with sourcing audio streams.

My first google turned up this...
http://www.pogo.org.uk/~mark/trx/streaming-desktop-audio.html

if you try it please post how you get on, as I intend to go down this route you 
could save me some work :).


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Re: [DNG] Remote two-way sound?

[Antony Stone]

On Saturday 27 March 2021 at 17:29:56, tito via Dng wrote:

> On Sat, 27 Mar 2021 16:36:46 +0100 Antony Stone wrote:
> > 
> > Does anyone know of a remote access mechanism which supports two-way
> > sound?
>
> Krdc (Kde remote desltop client) has a setting:
> 
> Sound: on this computer / Remote computer /disable sound
> and Alsa/Pulseaudio/None.

I've always interpreted that as sound from the remote machine coming to me, 
but not including a microphone on my machine getting converyed to the other 
end.

> Cannot say if it does what you want as I don't use audio in remote
> desktop sessions.

Nor me, usually, but this is a simple thing for me to try (since I already 
have KDE at both ends) so I'll see what it does.


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Re: [DNG] FSF and human rights

[tito via Dng]

On Sat, 27 Mar 2021 17:50:07 +0100
Arnt Karlsen  wrote:

> On Sat, 27 Mar 2021 08:30:14 -0400, Steve wrote in message 
> <20210327083014.2b434...@mydesk.domain.cxm>:
> 
> > Alexis PM via Dng said on Sat, 27 Mar 2021 09:23:21 + (UTC)
> > 
> > > > Hi All,
> > >>
> > >> Debian is engaging in a disgusting attack against RMS:
> > >> https://www.debian.org/vote/2021/vote_002
> > >>
> > >> Does Devuan have resolutions to sign open letters?
> > >> I'd propose to sign this one instead:
> > >> https://rms-support-letter.github.io/
> > >>
> > >> See also:
> > >> An orthodox analysis entitled Justice for Dr. Richard Matthew
> > >> Stallman, which recaps the whole story.
> > >> https://jorgemorais.gitlab.io/justice-for-rms/
> > >>
> > >> A post, written by Hannah Wolfman-Jones, with a response from
> > >> civil-rights expert Nadine Strossen, former president of the
> > >> ACLU. https://www.wetheweb.org/post/cancel-we-the-web
> > >>
> > >
> > >I propose to extend the Devuan (and personal) signature of the
> > >quoted letter ( https://rms-support-letter.github.io/index.html )
> > >also to the other existing letter of support (more detailed but
> > >little known)
> > >https://gitlab.com/KenjiBrown/rms-open-letter/-/blob/master/index.md
> > >(replicated at
> > >https://github.com/KenjiBrown/rms-open-letter.github.io/blob/main/index.md 
> > > 
> > 
> > You know, I might not be the best person to advocate for Devuan,
> > because pretty much everyone knows my Daily Driver Desktop (DDD) is
> > Void Linux. But I run Devuan on VMs, and if Void ever stops being
> > viable, Devuan is my Plan B.
> > 
> > I think pretty much everyone also knows of my anti-systemd advocacy
> > in the critical 2014-2015 period, and I'm quite sure that advocacy
> > cost my business revenue in the five figures category.
> 
> ..me, I was playing catch-up after Groklaw.net, also been subject to
> Kafka style games, next week I may be able to run for parliament here
> as, er, a slightly more human vrms... with a possibly firmer climate
> repair policy. ;o)
> 
> ..climate is as simple as a chicken race, either we make farmland soil
> out of the methane clathrate tundra gas, or, it will make farmland
> soil out of us, just like it did with the dinosaurs, conodonts,
> synapsids, placoderms and trilobites, in those wonderful natural
> climate cycles so beloved by the gun toting far right. ;o)
> 
> ..oh and the gun toters will love how climate compares to a shotgun
> cartridge: Bang on that primer like we humans dug-n-burned coal 'n
> oil, then watch the primer shake up 'n ignite the powder like we heat
> 'n shake up the tundra with CO2, and the next thing you know is
> watching the tundra shooting slugs straight up like a shot gun on TV
> or youtube, yeehaw.
> 
> 
> ..pump the excess heat out of the oceans and sell it as electricity, 
> is just another one of my ways to fix it.
> 
> > But this isn't about me. This is about some very brave VUAs who
> > built Devuan when everyone said it couldn't be done. Devuan is a
> > very valuable resource to many, many people. Without Devuan, the
> > cause of init-choice would be set back immensely.
> 
> ..there's slackware.com.  No apt, no deb, but we have alien, and we
> have people on both sides, who can help set up a formal bug tracking
> facility for slackware, that can also be set up to facilitate using
> Slackware as a viable upstream alternative to Debian for Devuan.

There is also PcLinuxOS even if rpm based but they have the full stack
systemd free and could be a source of code for devuan as they already
solved somehow most of the problems. Systemd free distros should
pool their efforts to avoid duplication and to gain critical mass.

Tito

> > And now you're suggesting Devuan put that all at risk to take a
> > stand on RMS. Well you know what? No distro should get involved with
> > politics, and this RMS thing *is* politics.
> 
> ..aye.  People look for spine and integrity, once they wisen up.
> 
> > It cost Mint plenty of users when they said supporters of Israel
> > shouldn't use Mint, and it just might destroy Devuan if they take a
> > stand, on either side, on this RMS thing.
> 
> ..aye.  Again, people look for spine and integrity, once they wisen
> up. Anything visibly built upon spine, integrity and wisdom will come
> out as good, and we _have_ walked out of Debian on this suspect
> backdoor known as systemd.  
> 
> ..short term "Bumpy Rides" are expected common parts of this, and
> yes, way way back in its heydays a decade ago, Debian was known to 
> be the "slow but safe" distro. 
> 
> > Listen, if you want to sign that stuff, go ahead. Don't come crying
> > to me if your boss fires you for cause for violating their social
> > networking policy, and you can't get unemployment because you were
> > fired for cause.
> 
> ..join a employee union first, then go slow, document EVERYTHING, so
> you can have your union law sharks go after any Kafka style gamers 
> coming for you.  
> Steve is not wrong 

Re: [DNG] FSF and human rights

[Alexa _video_game via Dng]

Fully shareable. Never before has freedom been under attack by the ideology
of politically correct, by revisionism, by cancel culture. I am not an IT
pro, but I fully believe in free software and I understand the danger that
also surrounds this freedom and its supporters. Terrible. Let's not flatten
out for fear, let's not give up. History will judge these infamous.

Federico Bentsik

Il giorno sab 27 mar 2021 alle ore 11:54 Harald Arnesen via Dng <
dng@lists.dyne.org> ha scritto:

> Steve Litt [26.03.2021 20:46]:
>
> > Before you sign anything or do anything, ask yourself if this is of top
> > importance to you. Are you willing to risk your career, your position
> > in your community, perhaps the positions of your family, to defend
> > Richard Stallman? Unless the answer is an unmitigated "yes", I'd advise
> > you to stay as far from this issue as you can.
>
> “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
> nothing.” ― Edmund Burke
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Re: [DNG] FSF and human rights

[Arnt Karlsen]

On Sat, 27 Mar 2021 08:30:14 -0400, Steve wrote in message 
<20210327083014.2b434...@mydesk.domain.cxm>:

> Alexis PM via Dng said on Sat, 27 Mar 2021 09:23:21 + (UTC)
> 
> > > Hi All,
> >>
> >> Debian is engaging in a disgusting attack against RMS:
> >> https://www.debian.org/vote/2021/vote_002
> >>
> >> Does Devuan have resolutions to sign open letters?
> >> I'd propose to sign this one instead:
> >> https://rms-support-letter.github.io/
> >>
> >> See also:
> >> An orthodox analysis entitled Justice for Dr. Richard Matthew
> >> Stallman, which recaps the whole story.
> >> https://jorgemorais.gitlab.io/justice-for-rms/
> >>
> >> A post, written by Hannah Wolfman-Jones, with a response from
> >> civil-rights expert Nadine Strossen, former president of the ACLU.
> >> https://www.wetheweb.org/post/cancel-we-the-web
> >>
> >
> >I propose to extend the Devuan (and personal) signature of the quoted
> >letter ( https://rms-support-letter.github.io/index.html ) also to
> >the other existing letter of support (more detailed but little known)
> >https://gitlab.com/KenjiBrown/rms-open-letter/-/blob/master/index.md
> >(replicated at
> >https://github.com/KenjiBrown/rms-open-letter.github.io/blob/main/index.md  
> 
> You know, I might not be the best person to advocate for Devuan,
> because pretty much everyone knows my Daily Driver Desktop (DDD) is
> Void Linux. But I run Devuan on VMs, and if Void ever stops being
> viable, Devuan is my Plan B.
> 
> I think pretty much everyone also knows of my anti-systemd advocacy in
> the critical 2014-2015 period, and I'm quite sure that advocacy cost
> my business revenue in the five figures category.

..me, I was playing catch-up after Groklaw.net, also been subject to
Kafka style games, next week I may be able to run for parliament here
as, er, a slightly more human vrms... with a possibly firmer climate
repair policy. ;o)

..climate is as simple as a chicken race, either we make farmland soil
out of the methane clathrate tundra gas, or, it will make farmland soil
out of us, just like it did with the dinosaurs, conodonts, synapsids,
placoderms and trilobites, in those wonderful natural climate cycles so
beloved by the gun toting far right. ;o)

..oh and the gun toters will love how climate compares to a shotgun
cartridge: Bang on that primer like we humans dug-n-burned coal 'n oil,
then watch the primer shake up 'n ignite the powder like we heat 'n
shake up the tundra with CO2, and the next thing you know is watching
the tundra shooting slugs straight up like a shot gun on TV or youtube,
yeehaw.


..pump the excess heat out of the oceans and sell it as electricity, 
is just another one of my ways to fix it.

> But this isn't about me. This is about some very brave VUAs who built
> Devuan when everyone said it couldn't be done. Devuan is a very
> valuable resource to many, many people. Without Devuan, the cause of
> init-choice would be set back immensely.

..there's slackware.com.  No apt, no deb, but we have alien, and we
have people on both sides, who can help set up a formal bug tracking
facility for slackware, that can also be set up to facilitate using
Slackware as a viable upstream alternative to Debian for Devuan.

> And now you're suggesting Devuan put that all at risk to take a stand
> on RMS. Well you know what? No distro should get involved with
> politics, and this RMS thing *is* politics.

..aye.  People look for spine and integrity, once they wisen up.

> It cost Mint plenty of users when they said supporters of Israel
> shouldn't use Mint, and it just might destroy Devuan if they take a
> stand, on either side, on this RMS thing.

..aye.  Again, people look for spine and integrity, once they wisen up.
Anything visibly built upon spine, integrity and wisdom will come out
as good, and we _have_ walked out of Debian on this suspect backdoor
known as systemd.  

..short term "Bumpy Rides" are expected common parts of this, and
yes, way way back in its heydays a decade ago, Debian was known to 
be the "slow but safe" distro. 

> Listen, if you want to sign that stuff, go ahead. Don't come crying to
> me if your boss fires you for cause for violating their social
> networking policy, and you can't get unemployment because you were
> fired for cause.

..join a employee union first, then go slow, document EVERYTHING, so
you can have your union law sharks go after any Kafka style gamers 
coming for you.  
Steve is not wrong here, exactly because we live in an imperfect world.
RMS is not the only one, we have Snowden, Manning, Winner, Navalny and
way too many more out there.

> But don't get the Devuan distro involved. Devuan is the work of many,
> many people, for many, many years, around the once very unpopular
> stance of init-choice. Don't put that at risk.

..IMNTHO, I believe Devuan as a distro should support and endorse RMS
coming back to the FSF etc boards, for precisely that reason, lowering
the long term risk to Devuan's reputation, by standing firm on 

Re: [DNG] Remote two-way sound?

[tito via Dng]

On Sat, 27 Mar 2021 16:36:46 +0100
Antony Stone  wrote:

> Hi.
> 
> I don't know if I'm just overlooking something obvious, but I can't
> think of the answer...
> 
> Does anyone know of a remote access mechanism which supports two-way
> sound?
> 
> I've deliberately worded that slightly vaguely, because I'd be happy
> with a remote desktop sharing system such as RDC / VNC where the
> remote machine has a desktop of its own which I'm just manipulating
> remotely, or with remote application access such as X server /
> client, where the remote machine is just running the application
> without a grphical display of its own, and sending the application
> windows back to me.
> 
> Basically I want the application to be running on a remote machine,
> which I can access from my X-window Linux machine (where my preferred
> environment is KDE).Everything is running Linux (in fact Devuan);
> I'm not trying to do anything cross-platform.
> 
> The requirement is that I need to run applications expecting to have
> access to microphone and speakers, and those are on my local machine,
> not the remote one running the application/s.
> 
> Bandwidth is not a problem - the machines are on a gigabit LAN; I'm
> not trying to do this over the Internet.
> 
> If (just in case, I have no idea) it makes things any easier, I can
> easily run the application in a virtual machine on the remote
> computer, or on the native physical hardware.
> 
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> 
> Antony.
> 


Hi,
Krdc (Kde remote desltop client) has a setting:

Sound: on this computer / Remote computer /disable sound
and Alsa/Pulseaudio/None.

Cannot say if it does what you want as I don't use audio in remote
desktop sessions.

Ciao,
Tito


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Re: [DNG] Remote two-way sound?

[Adam Sampson via Dng]

Antony Stone  writes:

> The requirement is that I need to run applications expecting to have
> access to microphone and speakers, and those are on my local machine,
> not the remote one running the application/s.
> Bandwidth is not a problem - [...]

I've used netJACK1 for this in the past. On the machine with the sound
device, you run a regular JACK daemon, plus jack_netsource. On the other
machine, you run the JACK daemon using the "net" backend, and tell it to
connect over the network to jack_netsource. The netsource shows up as a
JACK client on the main machine so you can connect it to whatever
inputs and outputs you like, and the network connection only adds one
JACK period's worth of latency.

The major downside of this is that it's only useful for applications
that can use JACK for audio (which is most pro-audio stuff, plus a few
others like mpv). If your applications only talk PulseAudio, you'd also
need to configure PA to use JACK for input and output; I haven't tried
this myself.

Cheers,

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[DNG] Remote two-way sound?

[Antony Stone]

Hi.

I don't know if I'm just overlooking something obvious, but I can't think of 
the answer...

Does anyone know of a remote access mechanism which supports two-way sound?

I've deliberately worded that slightly vaguely, because I'd be happy with a 
remote desktop sharing system such as RDC / VNC where the remote machine has a 
desktop of its own which I'm just manipulating remotely, or with remote 
application access such as X server / client, where the remote machine is just 
running the application without a grphical display of its own, and sending the 
application windows back to me.

Basically I want the application to be running on a remote machine, which I 
can access from my X-window Linux machine (where my preferred environment is 
KDE).Everything is running Linux (in fact Devuan); I'm not trying to do 
anything cross-platform.

The requirement is that I need to run applications expecting to have access to 
microphone and speakers, and those are on my local machine, not the remote one 
running the application/s.

Bandwidth is not a problem - the machines are on a gigabit LAN; I'm not trying 
to do this over the Internet.

If (just in case, I have no idea) it makes things any easier, I can easily run 
the application in a virtual machine on the remote computer, or on the native 
physical hardware.


Any ideas?


Antony.

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Re: [DNG] FSF and human rights

[aitor]

On 27/3/21 15:06, d...@d404.nl wrote:

But I would like to keep politics*any politics except init freedom*  as
far as possible from Devuan


All life is politics



so I will not in any way connect my signing
to the Devuan project. And I suggest others to do the same.

I  replaced gitea.devuan.dev/aitor_czr by the less associated gnuinos.org
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Re: [DNG] FSF and human rights

[d...@d404.nl]

On 26-03-2021 20:46, Steve Litt wrote:
> Alessandro Vesely via Dng said on Fri, 26 Mar 2021 13:07:08 +0100
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Debian is engaging in a disgusting attack against RMS:
>> https://www.debian.org/vote/2021/vote_002
>>
>> Does Devuan have resolutions to sign open letters?
>> I'd propose to sign this one instead:
>> https://rms-support-letter.github.io/
> I'd suggest nobody sign anything, and nobody respond to this email.
>
> If you believe that Stallman was removed, shunned and criticized
> because of guilt by association, then it's not much of a stretch to
> believe that you will suffer the same fate if you defend him. And then
> any who defends *you* will suffer the same fate, ad infinitum. 
>
> Before you sign anything or do anything, ask yourself if this is of top
> importance to you. Are you willing to risk your career, your position
> in your community, perhaps the positions of your family, to defend
> Richard Stallman? Unless the answer is an unmitigated "yes", I'd advise
> you to stay as far from this issue as you can.
>
> My response in no way implies my (very private) position on Stallman.
> I'm just pointing out that unless you're willing to pay the freight,
> and the payment may be a costly and may be immediate or delayed for
> years, getting involved "for the principle of the thing" may cause you
> later regret.
>
> SteveT
>
> Steve Litt 
> Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful
> Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques

Well, i do not live in the USA and chances of being fired or risking my
career for defending Stallman are not existent. So privately I most
likely will sign this open letter.

But I would like to keep politics *any politics except init freedom* as
far as possible from Devuan so I will not in any way connect my signing
to the Devuan project. And I suggest others to do the same.

Grtz.

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Re: [DNG] FSF and human rights

[Steve Litt]

John Morris said on Fri, 26 Mar 2021 22:55:57 -0500

>On Fri, 2021-03-26 at 15:46 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
>> 
>> I'd suggest nobody sign anything, and nobody respond to this email.
>> 
>> If you believe that Stallman was removed, shunned and criticized
>> because of guilt by association, then it's not much of a stretch to
>> believe that you will suffer the same fate if you defend him. And
>> then any who defends *you* will suffer the same fate, ad infinitum.
>>  
>
>This exactly how a "climate of fear" works.

You don't know me. You haven't even done research on me, or you'd not
accuse me of "fearfulness".

[snip]

>If we can't find the will to defend RICHARD
>F*CKING STALLMAN, we won't defend anyone.  One by one we will all be
>singled out for destruction.  This attitude above sounds like the
>mewling sounds Republicans 

Republican? Like I said, you've obviously done no research on me. But
beyond that, later in your post you also imply that I'm an SJW. I've
been accused of both of these, but not in the same email.

> have made for decades, ever retreating
>because it is never "the hill to die on" as the revolution marches over
>their former "inviolate" position and National Review reverses course
>and assigns someone to pen "The Conservative case for X."

Yeah, let's talk about it never being the hill to die on. On the
gallows in 1776, Nathan Hale said "I only regret that I have but one
life to lose for my country", just before they sprung the trap door.
Contrast this with the "revolutionaries" of January 6, 2021, who after
arrest are saying things like "not my fault, the president suggested
it" and "prison is hurting my mental health" and "I want to be tried in
Texas for the crime I committed in DC."

If the preceding paragraph seems offtopic, well, this whole thread is
offtopic.

What price are you willing to pay in your defense of Stallman? You
willing to be fired, for cause and without unemployment, for violation
of your employer's social media rules? And then blacklisted from the
Tech industry? Not certain, but possible. You willing to pay the
freight? Or will you wuss out like the January 6 brigade?

Perhaps you're self-employed. You willing to be boycotted? How much
income are you willing to lose? If that possibility occurs, will you
say ""I only regret that I have but one business to lose for RMS?" Or
will you say "W, w, w, the SJWs took my business?

>
>This isn't actually about RMS, it is just the usual SJWs marching ever
>onward, seizing resources and key nodes in the social order.  

The preceding is pretty funny, considering that you're being an SJW for
taking up RMS's cause (not that I necessarily disagree with his cause,
and I have nothing against what you call SJWs).

> The FSF
>is the prize they seek, both to loot it and because it is a choke
>point to take and hold.  

Now you've lost it. The SJWs want to take over the FSF. Sure.


> Same reason they seized Debian.  

Yeah, the SJWs took over Debian. Sure.

> Ever
>wondered why Debian went from a model of enlightenment and civility to
>what it is now?  It wasn't systemd, that was a symptom.  It was
>infiltrated and seized by intolerant people who cared nothing for
>Debian or its culture, it was just another resource to seize as they
>moved through the software world, killing it and wearing its skin,
>then demanding respect due the original entity.

The preceding paragraph is the only part of your screed I agree with,
although I'd add that the Debian constitution or whatever it's called
and their ridiculous way of voting made such a downfall almost certain
in the long run.

A message to Alexis PM, Harald Arnesen, and any others who think my
advice was out of fearfulness: You don't know me. You haven't
researched me. To support causes I really believe in, I've put myself
in situations where death was a real possibility. I didn't eat on those
days, so I wouldn't have a full stomach if I were stabbed or shot in
the stomach. I estimate I lost five figures of revenue, over the years,
for my anti-systemd stance, which many potential customers considered
an unstable rant. I've probably lost potential customers over more
recent stands I've taken (not difficult to research). I took the punch.

So go ahead toughguys, if RMS is your #1 priority and he hill on
which you're willing to die, sign the letter. But if things go south for
you, I don't want to hear you whining and crying. Instead, if you have
the guts your bravado suggests, you'll follow the lead of Nathan Hale,
Lech Walesa, Martin Luther King, Nelson Mandela, and Joan of Arc, and
proudly take whatever comes your way.

And for gosh sakes, don't get the Devuan project involved in your
crusade.

>RICHARD M. STALLMAN IS A GOOD MAN WHO HAS DONE MORE FOR CIVILIZATION
>THAN ALL OF HIS DETRACTORS COMBINED.  FLAWS INCLUDED.

I   N E V E R   S A I D   A N Y T H I N G   T O   T H E   
C O N T R A R Y .

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Re: [DNG] FSF and human rights

[Steve Litt]

Alexis PM via Dng said on Sat, 27 Mar 2021 09:23:21 + (UTC)

> > Hi All,
>>
>> Debian is engaging in a disgusting attack against RMS:
>> https://www.debian.org/vote/2021/vote_002
>>
>> Does Devuan have resolutions to sign open letters?
>> I'd propose to sign this one instead:
>> https://rms-support-letter.github.io/
>>
>> See also:
>> An orthodox analysis entitled Justice for Dr. Richard Matthew
>> Stallman, which recaps the whole story.
>> https://jorgemorais.gitlab.io/justice-for-rms/
>>
>> A post, written by Hannah Wolfman-Jones, with a response from
>> civil-rights expert Nadine Strossen, former president of the ACLU.
>> https://www.wetheweb.org/post/cancel-we-the-web
>>  
>
>I propose to extend the Devuan (and personal) signature of the quoted
>letter ( https://rms-support-letter.github.io/index.html ) also to the
>other existing letter of support (more detailed but little known)
>https://gitlab.com/KenjiBrown/rms-open-letter/-/blob/master/index.md
>(replicated at
>https://github.com/KenjiBrown/rms-open-letter.github.io/blob/main/index.md

You know, I might not be the best person to advocate for Devuan,
because pretty much everyone knows my Daily Driver Desktop (DDD) is
Void Linux. But I run Devuan on VMs, and if Void ever stops being
viable, Devuan is my Plan B.

I think pretty much everyone also knows of my anti-systemd advocacy in
the critical 2014-2015 period, and I'm quite sure that advocacy cost my
business revenue in the five figures category.

But this isn't about me. This is about some very brave VUAs who built
Devuan when everyone said it couldn't be done. Devuan is a very
valuable resource to many, many people. Without Devuan, the cause of
init-choice would be set back immensely.

And now you're suggesting Devuan put that all at risk to take a stand
on RMS. Well you know what? No distro should get involved with
politics, and this RMS thing *is* politics. It cost Mint plenty of
users when they said supporters of Israel shouldn't use Mint, and it
just might destroy Devuan if they take a stand, on either side, on this
RMS thing.

Listen, if you want to sign that stuff, go ahead. Don't come crying to
me if your boss fires you for cause for violating their social
networking policy, and you can't get unemployment because you were
fired for cause.

But don't get the Devuan distro involved. Devuan is the work of many,
many people, for many, many years, around the once very unpopular
stance of init-choice. Don't put that at risk.

SteveT

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Re: [DNG] FSF and human rights

[Harald Arnesen via Dng]

Steve Litt [26.03.2021 20:46]:

> Before you sign anything or do anything, ask yourself if this is of top
> importance to you. Are you willing to risk your career, your position
> in your community, perhaps the positions of your family, to defend
> Richard Stallman? Unless the answer is an unmitigated "yes", I'd advise
> you to stay as far from this issue as you can.

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
nothing.” ― Edmund Burke
-- 
Hilsen Harald
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Re: [DNG] FSF and human rights

[aitor]

Hi,

On 26/3/21 22:58, Riccardo Mottola via Dng wrote:


A post, written by Hannah Wolfman-Jones, with a response from 
civil-rights expert Nadine Strossen, former president of the ACLU.

https://www.wetheweb.org/post/cancel-we-the-web



I can only stand with this letter.
Me too. Btw, quoting the paragraph: "Now, let's assume for the sake of 
argument, Stallman had an attitude that was objectively described
as discriminatory on the basis on race and gender [ ... ] The only 
approach that could possibly work is an educational one!", let's remember
one of the cornerstones of Stallman's thoughts: "We are humans, we make 
mistakes"


Aitor.



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Re: [DNG] FSF and human rights

[Alexis PM via Dng]

 >>Hi All, 
>> 
>>Debian is engaging in a disgusting attack against RMS: 
>>https://www.debian.org/vote/2021/vote_002 
>> 
>>Does Devuan have resolutions to sign open letters? 
>>I'd propose to sign this one instead: 
>>https://rms-support-letter.github.io/ 
> 
> I'd suggest nobody sign anything, and nobody respond to this email. 
> 
> If you believe that Stallman was removed, shunned and criticized 
> because of guilt by association, then it's not much of a stretch to 
> believe that you will suffer the same fate if you defend him. And then 
> any who defends *you* will suffer the same fate, ad infinitum. 
> 
> Before you sign anything or do anything, ask yourself if this is of top 
> importance to you. Are you willing to risk your career, your position 
> in your community, perhaps the positions of your family, to defend 
> Richard Stallman? Unless the answer is an unmitigated "yes", I'd advise 
> you to stay as far from this issue as you can. 
> 
> My response in no way implies my (very private) position on Stallman. 
> I'm just pointing out that unless you're willing to pay the freight, 
> and the payment may be a costly and may be immediate or delayed for 
> years, getting involved "for the principle of the thing" may cause you 
> later regret. 


Fear is the ally of injustice.

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Re: [DNG] FSF and human rights

[Alexis PM via Dng]

 > Hi All,
>
> Debian is engaging in a disgusting attack against RMS:
> https://www.debian.org/vote/2021/vote_002
>
> Does Devuan have resolutions to sign open letters?
> I'd propose to sign this one instead:
> https://rms-support-letter.github.io/
>
> See also:
> An orthodox analysis entitled Justice for Dr. Richard Matthew Stallman, which
> recaps the whole story.
> https://jorgemorais.gitlab.io/justice-for-rms/
>
> A post, written by Hannah Wolfman-Jones, with a response from civil-rights
> expert Nadine Strossen, former president of the ACLU.
> https://www.wetheweb.org/post/cancel-we-the-web
>

I propose to extend the Devuan (and personal) signature of the quoted letter ( 
https://rms-support-letter.github.io/index.html ) also to the other existing 
letter of support (more detailed but little known) 
https://gitlab.com/KenjiBrown/rms-open-letter/-/blob/master/index.md 
(replicated at 
https://github.com/KenjiBrown/rms-open-letter.github.io/blob/main/index.md )

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Re: [DNG] Beowulf installation skipped networking. Quickest fix? SOLVED

[dvalin]

 On 26.03.21 06:54, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 15:49:13 +1030
> dva...@internode.on.net wrote:
> 
> >  My shiny new Beowulf  3.0.0 install on an Intel NUC skipped
ethernet
> > stuff, perhaps because the ethernet cable wasn't inserted at the
time?
> > 
> > Now, I can start hacking /etc/network/interfaces, /etc/hosts,
> > resolv.conf,
> > etc., but will that reveal so much missing that I'm better off
doing
> > another
> > install with the LAN plugged in? Heck, are there kernel modules
> > missing?
> 
> Have your tried juat rebooting with the ethernet cable plugged in? 

I probably should have, but on finding no mention of eth0 in the /etc
files, I reinstalled Beowulf with the cable plugged in. It was so
quick
compared to the old days, that am dazed that it's all there. Then
networking just worked ... even though there was still no mention of
eth0.
I hadn't been asked for an ethernet address or subnet mask - it was
all
magic.

I've only had Beowulf for a few hours, but it is immediately
comfortable.
Whoever thought of leaving the release notes on the desktop deserves a
medal. That was the first thing I was going to hunt for, as I'd read
the
note on pulseaudio prior to install. The problem line is commented
out,
but I still have no audio; will have to poke at that a bit. But first
to
move email to the new host, so I can get off this webmail horror.

Thanks for the suggestion. In retrospect I figure it would have
worked.

Erik


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Re: [DNG] Default logins for ARM images?

[Lars Noodén via Dng]

On 3/27/21 5:33 AM, Gregory Nowak via Dng wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 12:30:45PM +0200, Lars Noodén via Dng wrote:
>> I'm looking at an ARM image for Beowulf, but cannot find where the
>> default password is annotated.  It's not on either of these pages:
>>
>>  https://arm-files.devuan.org/
>>  https://www.devuan.org/get-devuan
>>
>> And no README file seems to be present.  What is the default
>> user/password for those images?
>
> I also am unable to find where this is documented. If memory serves
> though, the user is root, and the password is toor (root
> backwards). Try if that works.
>
> Greg
>
>
Thanks.  Hopefully it'll be documented soon.  I ended up just mounting
the image and editing /etc/shadow directly.

chimaera seems to work fine and OpenZFS seems to be available and
working on it.

Regards,
Lars
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Re: [DNG] Dng Subscription results

[Lars Noodén via Dng]

On 3/26/21 4:54 PM, Dimitris via Dng wrote:
[snip]
> for mailman it might also be possible to just send an email to
> dng-j...@lists.dyne.org

Thanks.  That helped.

Regards,
Lars


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