Re: [DNG] adding raspi to sources.list
On Sun, Mar 28, 2021 at 09:04:11AM +, g4sra via Dng wrote: > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > On Sunday, March 28, 2021 12:59 AM, Gregory Nowak via Dng > wrote: > <-snip-> > > > > > Is there a way to do what I want, or do I need to download the correct > > package manually, and install with dpkg -i? > > > You don't say what the 'correct' package is that you wish to install. > Good point: http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/pool/raspi/l/linux-raspi/linux-image-raspi_4.20.4-3_armhf.deb Greg -- web site: http://www.gregn.net gpg public key: http://www.gregn.net/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) If we haven't been in touch before, e-mail me before adding me to your contacts. -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-mana...@eu.org ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Discovery #fail
Steve Scott via Dng said on Sun, 14 Mar 2021 16:34:25 + >Greetings all, >I've been a long time Devuan user, and have donated to the project > because I would very much like to see it continue. I recently was > forced to upgrade my laptop, having completely destroyed my old one, > and upon installation (dual boot) of Beowulf 3.1.0 and reboot, was > dropped into a shell prompt, no graphics. >LSPCI revealed only 2 devices were actually identified, the others >merely providing vendor/device ID information, including the NVIDIA >gfx device. dmidecode provided plenty of information however. I was >able to install the driver from the vendor and get CUDA working, but >was never able to get Xorg to recognize the display. > >Since a desktop was pretty critical to my needs for this machine, I >gave Ubuntu a shot - not that I like Ubuntu all that much, but they do >seem to have desktop setup polished well. > >Whadayaknow, Ubuntu pretty much discovered everything, so it appears I >will be living here for the time being. Happy to provide whatever data >you need. SWS Except for systemd, Ubuntu's a dam good distro if you don't mind all the guard rails and helpfulness. There's no shame in using Ubuntu on it for 8 or so months until the other distros catch up with the hardware. However, if you *do* want to troubleshoot this issue and perhaps be running GUI Devuan within a day or so, I'd suggest a process... First understand that your laptop has an Nvidia graphics card: T H A T ' S N E V E R G O O D . * Uninstall your session manager or whatever lightdm and lxdm and those things are called, so that you automatically boot to what in the old days was called "level 3". * Make sure things in CLI land are working well. * Make *absolutely* sure that xterm is installed. On some distros it's not a hard requirement, even though xorg won't start without it. * Use "xinit xterm" to try to go into GUI. If it succeeds, you've greatly narrowed the root scope scope. If not, you'll have a simpler log file to look over. * Try a Devuan installer or a Devuan live CD or a Refracta live release. If this works, then there's a really good chance you can get hard disk installed Devuan to work. Save the output of lspci, lsusb, lshw (as root), lsmod, whatever apt command that shows you the installed packages, etc so you can create the same situation on a disk based install. * Pay particular attention to the drivers you are using with nVidia. They can clash, some work and some don't, try to install as few drivers as you can, do a lot of experimentation. I got an nVidia to "sort of" work by doing this, but then the nVidia caused hard system hangs sometimes and other times reboots. I know it's too late for this, but in general, friends don't let friends buy nVidia. Radeon is your friend. In your case, being in a laptop, you'll just have to work around the hardware you have, by driver combination substitution, or with Ubuntu. By the way, my nVidia also rebooted and hung with Ubuntu, but Ubuntu right away got it to show (artifact laced) video. HTH, SteveT Steve Litt Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Discovery #fail
Ludovic Bellière said on Sun, 28 Mar 2021 07:50:52 +0200 >Hi Steve, > >It's most likely a debian issue. And to be more precise, a Xorg that >may not be up to date. I would advise you to check devuan's Xorg >version and check if the firmware of your laptop is talked about on the >internet. Ubuntu likely uses a more recent version of Xorg than debian, >or any other library that enable discovery of your display. > >All in all, a display doesn't seem to have to do anything with init >freedom. Would it? Can't rule out systemd, because it's A LOT more than just an init. SteveT Steve Litt Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Remote two-way sound?
On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 15:57:55 +, g4sra wrote in message : > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > On Saturday, March 27, 2021 6:22 PM, g4sra via Dng > wrote: > > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > > On Saturday, March 27, 2021 5:32 PM, Antony Stone > > antony.st...@devuan.open.source.it wrote: > > > > On Saturday 27 March 2021 at 17:29:56, tito via Dng wrote: > > > > > > > On Sat, 27 Mar 2021 16:36:46 +0100 Antony Stone wrote: > > > > > > > > Does anyone know of a remote access mechanism which supports > > > > > two-way sound? > > > > > > > Krdc (Kde remote desltop client) has a setting: > > > > Sound: on this computer / Remote computer /disable sound > > > > and Alsa/Pulseaudio/None. > > > > > > I've always interpreted that as sound from the remote machine > > > coming to me, but not including a microphone on my machine > > > getting converyed to the other end. > > > > > > > Cannot say if it does what you want as I don't use audio in > > > > remote desktop sessions. > > > > > > Nor me, usually, but this is a simple thing for me to try (since > > > I already have KDE at both ends) so I'll see what it does. > > > > > > Antony. > > > > > Never tried, but I have a project coming up that requires exactly > > this. I suggest you avoid getting bogged down in Desktops and > > complexity which has little to do with sourcing audio streams. > > > My first google turned up this... > > http://www.pogo.org.uk/~mark/trx/streaming-desktop-audio.html > > > > > if you try it please post how you get on, as I intend to go down > > this route you could save me some work :). > > > Dng mailing list > > Dng@lists.dyne.org > > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > > TRX seems to work OK, seamlessly integrates with ALSA, minimalist > RTS protocol KISS style wins the day. Took me a moment to twig that a > local IP address must be specified on the receiver if the host's IPv6 > interfaces have been knobbled (which mine have). Not yet got the > audio quality/rate quite right yet (want it lower) but plenty of > scope to play with in the settings. ..beware of file name conflicts and weird rx responses ;o) ... arnt@d44:~$ which rx /usr/bin/rx arnt@d44:~$ dpkg -S $(which rx) lrzsz: /usr/bin/rx arnt@d44:~$ dpkg -l $(dpkg -S $(which rx) |tr -d ":") |grep ii dpkg-query: no packages found matching /usr/bin/rx ii lrzsz 0.12.21-10 amd64 Tools for zmodem/xmodem/ymodem file transfer -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Remote two-way sound?
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Saturday, March 27, 2021 6:22 PM, g4sra via Dng wrote: > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > On Saturday, March 27, 2021 5:32 PM, Antony Stone > antony.st...@devuan.open.source.it wrote: > > > On Saturday 27 March 2021 at 17:29:56, tito via Dng wrote: > > > > On Sat, 27 Mar 2021 16:36:46 +0100 Antony Stone wrote: > > > > > Does anyone know of a remote access mechanism which supports two-way > > > > sound? > > > > Krdc (Kde remote desltop client) has a setting: > > > Sound: on this computer / Remote computer /disable sound > > > and Alsa/Pulseaudio/None. > > > I've always interpreted that as sound from the remote machine coming to me, > > but not including a microphone on my machine getting converyed to the other > > end. > > > > Cannot say if it does what you want as I don't use audio in remote > > > desktop sessions. > > > Nor me, usually, but this is a simple thing for me to try (since I already > > have KDE at both ends) so I'll see what it does. > > > Antony. > > Never tried, but I have a project coming up that requires exactly this. > I suggest you avoid getting bogged down in Desktops and complexity which has > little to do with sourcing audio streams. > > My first google turned up this... > http://www.pogo.org.uk/~mark/trx/streaming-desktop-audio.html > > if you try it please post how you get on, as I intend to go down this route > you could save me some work :). > > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng TRX seems to work OK, seamlessly integrates with ALSA, minimalist RTS protocol KISS style wins the day. Took me a moment to twig that a local IP address must be specified on the receiver if the host's IPv6 interfaces have been knobbled (which mine have). Not yet got the audio quality/rate quite right yet (want it lower) but plenty of scope to play with in the settings. publickey - g4sra@protonmail.com - 0x42E94623.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Remote two-way sound?
On Sunday 28 March 2021 at 12:08:09, al3xu5 wrote: > Sat, 27 Mar 2021 16:36:46 +0100 - Antony Stone wrote: > > > > Does anyone know of a remote access mechanism which supports two-way > > sound? > > Not sure it's something similar that you are looking for, but take a look > here: > > https://lists.linuxaudio.org/archives/linux-audio-user/2021-march/114047.ht > ml I converted march to March (for anyone else who tries to follow the link) and it's very interesting, thank you :) The discussion starts at: https://lists.linuxaudio.org/archives/linux-audio-user/2021-March/114028.html Antony. -- I want to build a machine that will be proud of me. - Danny Hillis, creator of The Connection Machine Please reply to the list; please *don't* CC me. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Discovery #fail
On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 11:42:04 +0200 Ludovic Bellière wrote: > On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 18:10:52 +1100 > terryc wrote: > > > > > Back in ascii, there was a program "update-pciids" which you could > > run to ensure you had could run to ensure you had the latest device > > Ids. > > > > However, it doesn't appear in the programs for beowulf (amd64) > > > > It is part of pciutils, and is available on beowulf. Woops, it is sudo update-pciids Thank You. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Remote two-way sound?
Sat, 27 Mar 2021 16:36:46 +0100 - Antony Stone : > Hi. > > I don't know if I'm just overlooking something obvious, but I can't > think of the answer... > > Does anyone know of a remote access mechanism which supports two-way > sound? > > I've deliberately worded that slightly vaguely, because I'd be happy > with a remote desktop sharing system such as RDC / VNC where the remote > machine has a desktop of its own which I'm just manipulating remotely, > or with remote application access such as X server / client, where the > remote machine is just running the application without a grphical > display of its own, and sending the application windows back to me. > > Basically I want the application to be running on a remote machine, > which I can access from my X-window Linux machine (where my preferred > environment is KDE).Everything is running Linux (in fact Devuan); > I'm not trying to do anything cross-platform. > > The requirement is that I need to run applications expecting to have > access to microphone and speakers, and those are on my local machine, > not the remote one running the application/s. > > Bandwidth is not a problem - the machines are on a gigabit LAN; I'm not > trying to do this over the Internet. > > If (just in case, I have no idea) it makes things any easier, I can > easily run the application in a virtual machine on the remote computer, > or on the native physical hardware. > > > Any ideas? Not sure it's something similar that you are looking for, but take a look here: https://lists.linuxaudio.org/archives/linux-audio-user/2021-march/114047.html Regards al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: 8FC2 3121 2803 86E9 F7D8 B624 DA50 835B 2624 A36B pgpH28BJwnE1l.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Discovery #fail
On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 18:10:52 +1100 terryc wrote: > > Back in ascii, there was a program "update-pciids" which you could run > to ensure you had could run to ensure you had the latest device Ids. > > However, it doesn't appear in the programs for beowulf (amd64) > It is part of pciutils, and is available on beowulf. > > You didn't say which laptop/model you have. > Ubuntu seems to have connections where it can provide drivers for > certain laptops/models. You may have just lucked upon one that it so > does. > The laptop may be an odd ball with weird components requiring a patch or two. I have an old one here for which the display stopped working properly since Buster/Beowulf, as the support for the screen eventually got removed from Xorg. To be fair, it's not a good hardware at all and nobody actually uses the thing. So maybe ubuntu has a patch for Steve's specific laptop? pgpziONWmN5sO.pgp Description: Signature digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] adding raspi to sources.list
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Sunday, March 28, 2021 12:59 AM, Gregory Nowak via Dng wrote: <-snip-> > > Is there a way to do what I want, or do I need to download the correct > package manually, and install with dpkg -i? You don't say what the 'correct' package is that you wish to install. publickey - g4sra@protonmail.com - 0x42E94623.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Discovery #fail
On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 16:34:25 + Steve Scott via Dng wrote: > Greetings all, > I've been a long time Devuan user, and have donated to the > project because I would very much like to see it continue. I recently > was forced to upgrade my laptop, having completely destroyed my old > one, and upon installation (dual boot) of Beowulf 3.1.0 and reboot, > was dropped into a shell prompt, no graphics. LSPCI revealed only 2 > devices were actually identified, the others merely providing > vendor/device ID information, including the NVIDIA gfx device. Back in ascii, there was a program "update-pciids" which you could run to ensure you had could run to ensure you had the latest device Ids. However, it doesn't appear in the programs for beowulf (amd64) > dmidecode provided plenty of information however. I was able to > install the driver from the vendor and get CUDA working, but was > never able to get Xorg to recognize the display. > > Since a desktop was pretty critical to my needs for this machine, I > gave Ubuntu a shot - not that I like Ubuntu all that much, but they > do seem to have desktop setup polished well. > > Whadayaknow, Ubuntu pretty much discovered everything, so it appears > I will be living here for the time being. Happy to provide whatever > data you need. SWS You didn't say which laptop/model you have. Ubuntu seems to have connections where it can provide drivers for certain laptops/models. You may have just lucked upon one that it so does. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] HDMI Sound on Beowulf & Intel NUC SOLVED too. [Was: Re: Beowulf installation skipped networking. Quickest fix?
On 27.03.21 18:36, Patrick Bartek wrote: > On Sat, 27 Mar 2021 17:28:37 +1030 dva...@internode.on.net wrote: > > Whoever thought of leaving the release notes on the desktop deserves a > > medal. That was the first thing I was going to hunt for, as I'd read > > the note on pulseaudio prior to install. The problem line is > > commented out, but I still have no audio; will have to poke at that > > a bit. But first to move email to the new host, so I can get off > > this webmail horror. > > All I did to enable sound was to use alsamixer to turn on the master > volume. Volumes for all sound channels is zero by default. Hmm, alsamixer just shows a volume bar, but pavucontrol shows "Headphones (unplugged)" as the selected and only available port, with "Show: All Output Devices" enabled. That denies me selection of sound on HDMI - and seems typically Leonard. ISTM that the fallback in previous sound failure has been rip out pulseaudio to eliminate the problems. Perhaps I'll give that a go. Hold on, in pavucontrol, configuration showed nothing useful, but clicking on the one item offered in Profile did throw up a long hidden list of alternatives, including HDMI. The UI is Leonardian in its perverse obfuscation, but it can be made to work given sufficient persistrnce. Erik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Discovery #fail
On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 at 16:51, Ludovic Bellière wrote: > > Hi Steve, > > It's most likely a debian issue. And to be more precise, a Xorg that > may not be up to date. I would advise you to check devuan's Xorg > version and check if the firmware of your laptop is talked about on the > internet. Ubuntu likely uses a more recent version of Xorg than debian, > or any other library that enable discovery of your display. > > All in all, a display doesn't seem to have to do anything with init > freedom. Would it? > > Ludovic > > On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 16:34:25 + > Steve Scott via Dng wrote: > > > Greetings all, > > I've been a long time Devuan user, and have donated to the > > project because I would very much like to see it continue. I recently > > was forced to upgrade my laptop, having completely destroyed my old > > one, and upon installation (dual boot) of Beowulf 3.1.0 and reboot, > > was dropped into a shell prompt, no graphics. LSPCI revealed only 2 > > devices were actually identified, the others merely providing > > vendor/device ID information, including the NVIDIA gfx device. > > dmidecode provided plenty of information however. I was able to > > install the driver from the vendor and get CUDA working, but was > > never able to get Xorg to recognize the display. > > > > Since a desktop was pretty critical to my needs for this machine, I > > gave Ubuntu a shot - not that I like Ubuntu all that much, but they > > do seem to have desktop setup polished well. > > > > Whadayaknow, Ubuntu pretty much discovered everything, so it appears > > I will be living here for the time being. Happy to provide whatever > > data you need. SWS I would doubt it's an Xorg issue, as both Debian/Devuan and recent Ubuntu releases use the same Xorg version. Devuan uses xorg/kernel packages unmodified from Debian so the versions listed for beowulf and buster will be identical, across both Devuan and Debian package information sites. https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/package-query.html?c=package=xserver-xorg=1:7.7+19 https://packages.debian.org/buster/xserver-xorg You didn't mention which version of Ubuntu you tried, but for Xorg that's irrelevant as the LTS and latest release have the same version as Debian/Devuan. https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/xserver-xorg https://packages.ubuntu.com/groovy/xserver-xorg Since it works in Ubuntu, it's unlikely to be a BIOS version issue (although that might make a difference for older kernel versions?). Most likely, you could try upgrading to the backports version of linux kernel in Beowulf to see if that makes a difference. Ubuntu recent releases have a newer kernel version than Devuan Beowulf/Debian Buster main repository, while the beowulf-backports/buster-backports repository has a newer kernel than the Ubuntu repository. https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/linux-image-generic https://packages.debian.org/buster/linux-image-amd64 https://packages.debian.org/buster-backports/linux-image-amd64 The default kernel package on beowulf amd64 is `4.19+105+deb10u9` while beowulf-backports has `5.10.13-1~bpo10+1` ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
