Re: [DNG] Pipewire and PulseAudio
On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 06:57:02PM -0800, Marc Shapiro via Dng wrote: > Next, I may take out pulseaudio and verify > that firefox works on my system with apulse. Then I can be rid of both of > them. Firefox works fine on my systems for playing audio without pulseaudio or apulse. So, I suggest verifying firefox works for you without apulse first. Greg -- web site: http://www.gregn.net gpg public key: http://www.gregn.net/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) If we haven't been in touch before, e-mail me before adding me to your contacts. -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-mana...@eu.org ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Pipewire and PulseAudio
On 12/13/21 12:24, ael via Dng wrote: On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 08:04:35AM -0800, Marc Shapiro via Dng wrote: On 12/13/21 01:05, Tomasz Torcz wrote: On Sun, Dec 12, 2021 at 09:40:20PM -0800, Marc Shapiro via Dng wrote: I am not at all sure that I want pipewire. It was brought in by zoom, and, at the time I had no idea what it was. I am cutious, now, as to how both pipewire and pulsaudio are installed and not clobbering each other. If it Just for information, zoom works fine with just plain alsa here on a debian testing system. I normally use Palemoon which also is fine with plain alsa. I know that some people worry about Palemoon... I occasionally use firefox, and then I need apulse - which works. Thanks for the info. I looked, again, into why pipewire was brought in and this is what I got: $ aptitude why pipewire i zoom Depends ibus i A ibus Recommends im-config i A im-config Recommends zenity | kdialog | kde-baseapps-bin (< 4:16.08.3-2~) | whiptail i A zenity Depends libwebkit2gtk-4.0-37 (>= 2.15.1) i A libwebkit2gtk-4.0-37 Recommends xdg-desktop-portal-gtk i A xdg-desktop-portal-gtk Depends xdg-desktop-portal (>= 1.7.1) i A xdg-desktop-portal Depends libpipewire-0.3-0 (>= 0.3.10) i A libpipewire-0.3-0 Recommends pipewire (= 0.3.19-4)libpipewire-0.3-0 Since I don't use flatpack I decideded that I don't need xdg-desktop-portal. So I took out xdg-desktop-portal, xdg-desktop-portal-gtk, libpipewire-0.3-0 and pipewire. No more potential conflicts. Next, I may take out pulseaudio and verify that firefox works on my system with apulse. Then I can be rid of both of them. Marc ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Mosquitto cannot be started, because no /var/mosquitto directory (Devuan stable)
Hello Steffen, The systemd service file does create the necessary directories (see: https://github.com/eclipse/mosquitto/blob/master/service/systemd/mosquitto.service.simple). /run/mosquitto not being created is most likely an issue with debian itself. Creating the folder from the init file, as per your workaround, is valid. To resolve the installation issue would require to file a bug against mosquitto on debian BTS. Apparently somebody did just that, and provided a patch to boot: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=993048 See also: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=983429 Cheers, Ludovic On Mon, 13 Dec 2021, Steffen Dettmer via Dng wrote: Hi, mosquitto does not start, because there is no /var/mosquitto directory for its PID file. Actually it cannot even be installed, because dpkg script already wants it. Also creating directory does not solve the problem, because /run is tmpfs, so manually created directory won't be there on next reboot. As workaround, I simply added mkdir -p /run/mosquitto/ ; chown mosquitto /run/mosquitto to /etc/init.d/mosquitto script. I guess this in Debian is done by some systemd magic, which could be needed to be "emulated" in Devuan, so I write here. What should I do? signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Mosquitto cannot be started, because no /var/mosquitto directory (Devuan stable)
Hi, mosquitto does not start, because there is no /var/mosquitto directory for its PID file. Actually it cannot even be installed, because dpkg script already wants it. Also creating directory does not solve the problem, because /run is tmpfs, so manually created directory won't be there on next reboot. As workaround, I simply added mkdir -p /run/mosquitto/ ; chown mosquitto /run/mosquitto to /etc/init.d/mosquitto script. I guess this in Debian is done by some systemd magic, which could be needed to be "emulated" in Devuan, so I write here. What should I do? Steffen Devuan GNU/Linux 4 (chimaera) mosquitto 2.0.11-1 Linux RefVm5 5.10.0-9-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.10.70-1 (2021-09-30) x86_64 GNU/Linux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Pipewire and PulseAudio
On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 08:04:35AM -0800, Marc Shapiro via Dng wrote: > On 12/13/21 01:05, Tomasz Torcz wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 12, 2021 at 09:40:20PM -0800, Marc Shapiro via Dng wrote: > > I am not at all sure that I want pipewire. It was brought in by zoom, and, > at the time I had no idea what it was. I am cutious, now, as to how both > pipewire and pulsaudio are installed and not clobbering each other. If it Just for information, zoom works fine with just plain alsa here on a debian testing system. I normally use Palemoon which also is fine with plain alsa. I know that some people worry about Palemoon... I occasionally use firefox, and then I need apulse - which works. ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Pipewire and PulseAudio
On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 10:51 AM Steve Litt wrote: > Marc Shapiro via Dng said on Mon, 13 Dec 2021 08:06:15 -0800 > > > >Do you have firefox running? I was under the impression that it > >requires pulseaudio. At least it did at one time. That is why I > >installed pulseaudio in the first place. > > Do what I do and use Chromium. It's a pig but less of a pig and has > less unexpected behavior than firefox. Chromium doesn't require > pulseaudio or pipewire. > > Ah - - - but - - - Mr Steve - - - Chromium has this enormous appetite for my information - - - - and it LOVES to 'call home' (a la ET). I ran Chromium for a while until I noticed all the from outside my network solicited connection requests that were happening. Only found that by looking at router logs. I'm not into iptables or the newer nftables enough to try and control this behavior using those tools - - - - just dumped chromium. (Besides chromium decided it didn't like pages with lots of tabs and wanted to die - - - so I helped it disappear from my system!!) Regards ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Pipewire and PulseAudio
Marc Shapiro via Dng said on Mon, 13 Dec 2021 08:06:15 -0800 >Do you have firefox running? I was under the impression that it >requires pulseaudio. At least it did at one time. That is why I >installed pulseaudio in the first place. Do what I do and use Chromium. It's a pig but less of a pig and has less unexpected behavior than firefox. Chromium doesn't require pulseaudio or pipewire. SteveT Steve Litt Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Pipewire and PulseAudio
Didier Kryn said on Mon, 13 Dec 2021 09:30:02 +0100 > On Chimaera, I have neither pipewire nor pulseaudio (nor zoom) > and >sound is working fine. If zoom requires the pulseaudio API, you might >well use apulse instead. > > -- Didier I tried apulse with zoom, and it *didn't* work. Vendor lockin ! SteveT Steve Litt Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Pipewire and PulseAudio
On 12/13/21 00:30, Didier Kryn wrote: Le 13/12/2021 à 06:40, Marc Shapiro via Dng a écrit : I was scrolling though my e-mail from the debian user group and I saw mention of pipewire, as a replacement for pulseaudio. It seemed to suggest that it was in Testing, so would not be available on my Devuan Stable (chimaera) system, but I took a look, anyway. It seems to be available, and, in fact, installed on my system. It seems to have been brought in by zoom. So my question are: I have pipewire installed AND pulseaudio is still installed, as well. Don't they do the same thing? Shouldn't they be conflicting with each other? My sound seems to be working fine. Is is using pulseaudio? Or is it using pipewire? Is zoom using pipewire and everything else is using pulseaudio? If pipewire is meant as a replacement for pulseaudio, can I delete pulseaudio. Will my sound, including upstream firefox, continue to work? On Chimaera, I have neither pipewire nor pulseaudio (nor zoom) and sound is working fine. If zoom requires the pulseaudio API, you might well use apulse instead. -- Didier Do you have firefox running? I was under the impression that it requires pulseaudio. At least it did at one time. That is why I installed pulseaudio in the first place. Marc ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Pipewire and PulseAudio
On 12/13/21 01:05, Tomasz Torcz wrote: On Sun, Dec 12, 2021 at 09:40:20PM -0800, Marc Shapiro via Dng wrote: I was scrolling though my e-mail from the debian user group and I saw mention of pipewire, as a replacement for pulseaudio. It seemed to suggest that it was in Testing, so would not be available on my Devuan Stable (chimaera) system, but I took a look, anyway. It seems to be available, and, in fact, installed on my system. It seems to have been brought in by zoom. Are you sure you want pipewire? Looking at the code: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/pipewire/pipewire/-/commits/master Main contributor is from certain company associated with color red and a headgear. Given the sentiment on this list, you may want to think twice. I am not at all sure that I want pipewire. It was brought in by zoom, and, at the time I had no idea what it was. I am cutious, now, as to how both pipewire and pulsaudio are installed and not clobbering each other. If it is possible to have audio working (including firefox) without either of them then that night be the best answer. fewer layers doing the same job sounds good to me. Marc ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Pipewire and PulseAudio
On Sun, Dec 12, 2021 at 09:40:20PM -0800, Marc Shapiro via Dng wrote: > I was scrolling though my e-mail from the debian user group and I saw > mention of pipewire, as a replacement for pulseaudio. It seemed to suggest > that it was in Testing, so would not be available on my Devuan Stable > (chimaera) system, but I took a look, anyway. It seems to be available, > and, in fact, installed on my system. It seems to have been brought in by > zoom. Are you sure you want pipewire? Looking at the code: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/pipewire/pipewire/-/commits/master Main contributor is from certain company associated with color red and a headgear. Given the sentiment on this list, you may want to think twice. -- Tomasz Torcz “God, root, what's the difference?” to...@pipebreaker.pl “God is more forgiving.” ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Pipewire and PulseAudio
Le 13/12/2021 à 06:40, Marc Shapiro via Dng a écrit : I was scrolling though my e-mail from the debian user group and I saw mention of pipewire, as a replacement for pulseaudio. It seemed to suggest that it was in Testing, so would not be available on my Devuan Stable (chimaera) system, but I took a look, anyway. It seems to be available, and, in fact, installed on my system. It seems to have been brought in by zoom. So my question are: I have pipewire installed AND pulseaudio is still installed, as well. Don't they do the same thing? Shouldn't they be conflicting with each other? My sound seems to be working fine. Is is using pulseaudio? Or is it using pipewire? Is zoom using pipewire and everything else is using pulseaudio? If pipewire is meant as a replacement for pulseaudio, can I delete pulseaudio. Will my sound, including upstream firefox, continue to work? On Chimaera, I have neither pipewire nor pulseaudio (nor zoom) and sound is working fine. If zoom requires the pulseaudio API, you might well use apulse instead. -- Didier ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
