Re: [DNG] meta: list
On 2022-08-31 11:04:51, Curtis Maurand wrote: > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Aug 31, 2022, at 10:39 AM, marc wrote: > > > > Hi > > > > Just a quick note that in the last week or so google seems > > have ratcheted up its rejection of mail from independent MTAs > > a notch or two. > > > > IF you check your logs, you might see 550 rejects with a message > > such as > > > > Our system has detected that this message is likely > > unsolicited mail. To reduce the amount of spam sent > > to Gmail, this message has been blocked. Please visit > > https://support.google.com/mail/?p=UnsolicitedMessageError > > for more information. > > > > In this case this is for an IP+DNS combination that is known > > to never have sent spam. And of course the supreme irony of > > the matter is that google itself stands accused of injecting > > spam into people's email - see noyb.eu > > > > The first reaction is to be a bit bleak about this, but > > giving it some thought, there might be a silver lining to > > this: This might be a significant step in the split into > > "internet classic" the familiar favourite versus > > the "hinternet.google", the free, convenient, but > > also watered-down and shrinkflated version. > > > > Amusingly I think the DNG list here might have gotten > > a headstart on this, with its unconfigured reverse > > DNS entry - looking through the recent mails I see > > next to no participants from gmail.com - presumably > > because they haven't seen mail from here. > > > > So I think the only sensible reaction is to get word out > > that to participate in this list it is now even more > > important find a decent nongmail provider, or even > > better - set up your own MX/MTA. > > > > I know that this can be a bit of a PITA, but if > > you maximise for convenience rather than knowledge/privacy, > > shouldn't you be using MacOS/Android instead than Devuan ? > > I’ve been running my own MTA for 15+ years. occasionally I get bounced. > recently was bounced by sbcglobal (AT) who doesn’t respond to removal > requests. It’s definitely a PITA. However, in all fairness, I was sending to > a large group (25 or so)and that might have done it. > > It’s imperative that you have rdns, spf, dkim and dmarc set up and that it > all matches. > > My MTA will reject you if your ptr doesn’t match your a record and your > helo/ehlo hostname. spf, skim and dmarc are all scored via spamassassin. > Google rejects, outright, if there is any sort of mismatch in any of that at > all. Setting up dnssec for your domain is also helpful. The problem with PTRs is that I run several domains from the one IP address, and PTR can only point to one of those. It costs money to get more IPs, my pension is barely coping with the recent cost of living increases. Though I don't really need to send email from the metaverse.farted.net one, it's a joke domain for my Zuckerverse parody, coz OpenSim does almost everything Zuckerberg claims is coming in his future metaverse. He set a low bar, I had trouble getting down to it. I'm 61, I don't limbo as well as I used to. > DNG list traffic comes through just fine. As for the general topic of gmail and mailing lists, many years ago when I used to do that I had to setup a read only and a write only gmail account on every list. Coz otherwise gmail would decide to not send back to me anything I wrote. Now I use my own email server. -- A big old stinking pile of genius that no one wants coz there are too many silver coated monkeys in the world. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] meta: list
On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 09:14:31AM +0200, marc wrote: > Hi > > Just a quick note that in the last week or so google seems > have ratcheted up its rejection of mail from independent MTAs > a notch or two. > > IF you check your logs, you might see 550 rejects with a message > such as > > Our system has detected that this message is likely > unsolicited mail. To reduce the amount of spam sent > to Gmail, this message has been blocked. Please visit > https://support.google.com/mail/?p=UnsolicitedMessageError > for more information. I haven't seem gmail rejecting mail from my MX since I setup a skeleton DMARC a while back. I just checked my logs for the last ten days, and haven't seen a single rejection from gmail, even though my MX has sent quite a bit of mail to them during that time. I have toyed more than once with the question of what would happen if a group of us running our own mail exchanges made the choice to reject mail from gmail.com with a 550? If a few of us did it, we might miss mail we maybe wanted to get. If a bunch of us did it, then a bunch of gmail users would complain to google. My guess is google's response would be "this is a free service; if it doesn't work for you, then don't use it." As for classic e-mail, I have to concur that's gone. In my book classic e-mail means no DMARC/SPF/DKIM no valid PTR records, and sending mail from dynamic IP addresses directly. That's not happening, and we have the spammers to thank for that. If everyone played nice, that internet would probably still exist. Greg -- web site: http://www.gregn.net gpg public key: http://www.gregn.net/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) If we haven't been in touch before, e-mail me before adding me to your contacts. -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-mana...@eu.org ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] meta: list
On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 09:14:31AM +0200, marc wrote: > Hi > > Just a quick note that in the last week or so google seems > have ratcheted up its rejection of mail from independent MTAs > a notch or two. > > IF you check your logs, you might see 550 rejects with a message > such as > > Our system has detected that this message is likely > unsolicited mail. To reduce the amount of spam sent > to Gmail, this message has been blocked. Please visit > https://support.google.com/mail/?p=UnsolicitedMessageError > for more information. > > In this case this is for an IP+DNS combination that is known > to never have sent spam. And of course the supreme irony of > the matter is that google itself stands accused of injecting > spam into people's email - see noyb.eu > > The first reaction is to be a bit bleak about this, but > giving it some thought, there might be a silver lining to > this: This might be a significant step in the split into > "internet classic" the familiar favourite versus > the "hinternet.google", the free, convenient, but > also watered-down and shrinkflated version. > > Amusingly I think the DNG list here might have gotten > a headstart on this, with its unconfigured reverse > DNS entry - looking through the recent mails I see > next to no participants from gmail.com - presumably > because they haven't seen mail from here. I use gmail, and seem to be getting email from this list. I wonder if it is because I have it skip the inbox, and go straight into a different label. Mike Schmitz ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] meta: list
Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 31, 2022, at 10:39 AM, marc wrote: > > Hi > > Just a quick note that in the last week or so google seems > have ratcheted up its rejection of mail from independent MTAs > a notch or two. > > IF you check your logs, you might see 550 rejects with a message > such as > > Our system has detected that this message is likely > unsolicited mail. To reduce the amount of spam sent > to Gmail, this message has been blocked. Please visit > https://support.google.com/mail/?p=UnsolicitedMessageError > for more information. > > In this case this is for an IP+DNS combination that is known > to never have sent spam. And of course the supreme irony of > the matter is that google itself stands accused of injecting > spam into people's email - see noyb.eu > > The first reaction is to be a bit bleak about this, but > giving it some thought, there might be a silver lining to > this: This might be a significant step in the split into > "internet classic" the familiar favourite versus > the "hinternet.google", the free, convenient, but > also watered-down and shrinkflated version. > > Amusingly I think the DNG list here might have gotten > a headstart on this, with its unconfigured reverse > DNS entry - looking through the recent mails I see > next to no participants from gmail.com - presumably > because they haven't seen mail from here. > > So I think the only sensible reaction is to get word out > that to participate in this list it is now even more > important find a decent nongmail provider, or even > better - set up your own MX/MTA. > > I know that this can be a bit of a PITA, but if > you maximise for convenience rather than knowledge/privacy, > shouldn't you be using MacOS/Android instead than Devuan ? I’ve been running my own MTA for 15+ years. occasionally I get bounced. recently was bounced by sbcglobal (AT) who doesn’t respond to removal requests. It’s definitely a PITA. However, in all fairness, I was sending to a large group (25 or so)and that might have done it. It’s imperative that you have rdns, spf, dkim and dmarc set up and that it all matches. My MTA will reject you if your ptr doesn’t match your a record and your helo/ehlo hostname. spf, skim and dmarc are all scored via spamassassin. Google rejects, outright, if there is any sort of mismatch in any of that at all. Setting up dnssec for your domain is also helpful. DNG list traffic comes through just fine. Cheers —Curtis > regards > > marc > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] meta: list
I do have an unconfigured PTR for a couple of reasons, one of those is lack of static IP for now. But I never had problems with gmail. Instead, I have problems with this list which rejects my messages sent from my own MTA because they cannot find a hostname for my IP. So I have to post from my gmail account. Although I'm an addict of true decentralization, fans of rdns/fcrdns and spf as well make me think that independent email is dead. And, just for the record, I have checked this my gmail account, and the inbox contains no less messages than I get to my own a...@declassed.art Axy ср, 31 авг. 2022 г. в 08:16, marc : > Hi > > Just a quick note that in the last week or so google seems > have ratcheted up its rejection of mail from independent MTAs > a notch or two. > > IF you check your logs, you might see 550 rejects with a message > such as > > Our system has detected that this message is likely > unsolicited mail. To reduce the amount of spam sent > to Gmail, this message has been blocked. Please visit > https://support.google.com/mail/?p=UnsolicitedMessageError > for more information. > > In this case this is for an IP+DNS combination that is known > to never have sent spam. And of course the supreme irony of > the matter is that google itself stands accused of injecting > spam into people's email - see noyb.eu > > The first reaction is to be a bit bleak about this, but > giving it some thought, there might be a silver lining to > this: This might be a significant step in the split into > "internet classic" the familiar favourite versus > the "hinternet.google", the free, convenient, but > also watered-down and shrinkflated version. > > Amusingly I think the DNG list here might have gotten > a headstart on this, with its unconfigured reverse > DNS entry - looking through the recent mails I see > next to no participants from gmail.com - presumably > because they haven't seen mail from here. > > So I think the only sensible reaction is to get word out > that to participate in this list it is now even more > important find a decent nongmail provider, or even > better - set up your own MX/MTA. > > I know that this can be a bit of a PITA, but if > you maximise for convenience rather than knowledge/privacy, > shouldn't you be using MacOS/Android instead than Devuan ? > > regards > > marc > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] meta: list
Hi Just a quick note that in the last week or so google seems have ratcheted up its rejection of mail from independent MTAs a notch or two. IF you check your logs, you might see 550 rejects with a message such as Our system has detected that this message is likely unsolicited mail. To reduce the amount of spam sent to Gmail, this message has been blocked. Please visit https://support.google.com/mail/?p=UnsolicitedMessageError for more information. In this case this is for an IP+DNS combination that is known to never have sent spam. And of course the supreme irony of the matter is that google itself stands accused of injecting spam into people's email - see noyb.eu The first reaction is to be a bit bleak about this, but giving it some thought, there might be a silver lining to this: This might be a significant step in the split into "internet classic" the familiar favourite versus the "hinternet.google", the free, convenient, but also watered-down and shrinkflated version. Amusingly I think the DNG list here might have gotten a headstart on this, with its unconfigured reverse DNS entry - looking through the recent mails I see next to no participants from gmail.com - presumably because they haven't seen mail from here. So I think the only sensible reaction is to get word out that to participate in this list it is now even more important find a decent nongmail provider, or even better - set up your own MX/MTA. I know that this can be a bit of a PITA, but if you maximise for convenience rather than knowledge/privacy, shouldn't you be using MacOS/Android instead than Devuan ? regards marc ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
